Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 There are certain obvious things a trapper must know: A) The appearance of the prey, and his nature and habits. B) The best trap to use. How does original mind looks like? It doesn't looks like this or that. You know the beast by it's proximity. Everything changes when it approaches: The forest becomes quiet, a pervasive silence descends on all things. In hunting original mind the only trap that works is quietness because the prey is the must shy and elusive creature. Immobility of body and mind are essential. The most profound quietude is required. Not the quietude of somnolence, but a completely alert one. Only this complete not doing of body and mind is required. As the beast approaches, everyday mind will try to jump on it. This is a fatal mistake. You must remain indifferent, as if nothing is happening, because, really, nothing is. If you remain absolutely still the creature will jump on your lap. When it chooses to leave, let it go. Don't try to capture it, or find it with your thoughts. Looking for original mind in ideas is like beating a drum when looking for silence. It will take several visits before the creature makes a nest in your head. You must be patient, quiet, alert. Good hunting, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 > As the beast approaches, everyday mind will try to jump on it. This > is a fatal mistake. You must remain indifferent, as if nothing is > happening, > because, really, nothing is. If you remain absolutely still the > creature will jump > on your lap. When it chooses to leave, let it go. Don't try to > capture it, or find it with your thoughts. Looking for original mind > in ideas is like beating a drum when looking for silence. It will > take several visits before the creature makes a nest in your head. > You must be patient, quiet, alert. > > Good hunting, > > Pete The hunter retains a grasp on himself. He knows what he wants and how to get it. Yet, there is this moment, now, in which there can be no grasp on the grasper, hence no movement toward hunting anything. This stillness is not coming and going. It is *this* in which my entire life is a coming and going that is insubstantial, and yet it is the very *this* which encompasses the entirety of what I previously knew as me and my life. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > As the beast approaches, everyday mind will try to jump on it. This > > is a fatal mistake. You must remain indifferent, as if nothing is > > happening, > > because, really, nothing is. If you remain absolutely still the > > creature will jump > > on your lap. When it chooses to leave, let it go. Don't try to > > capture it, or find it with your thoughts. Looking for original > mind > > in ideas is like beating a drum when looking for silence. It will > > take several visits before the creature makes a nest in your head. > > You must be patient, quiet, alert. > > > > Good hunting, > > > > Pete > > The hunter retains a grasp on himself. > > He knows what he wants and how to get it. > > Yet, there is this moment, now, in which > there can be no grasp on the grasper, > hence no movement toward hunting anything. > > This stillness is not coming and going. > > It is *this* in which my entire life > is a coming and going that is insubstantial, > and yet it is the very *this* which encompasses > the entirety of what I previously > knew as me and my life. > > -- Dan You are right about the stillness being there all the time. It's awareness, it's unknowing, it's life, and it's death. All entities rise and fall here. But the apperception of it comes and goes in the brain as an inmutable emptiness. And inmutability can only be apperceived briefly, and as an absence of change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 The hunter is the hunted. Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > There are certain obvious things a trapper must know: > > A) The appearance of the prey, and his nature and habits. > > B) The best trap to use. > > How does original mind looks like? > > It doesn't looks like this or that. You know the beast by it's > proximity. Everything changes when it approaches: > The forest becomes quiet, a pervasive silence descends on all > things. In hunting original mind the only trap that works is quietness > because the prey is the must shy and elusive creature. > > Immobility of body and mind are essential. The most profound > quietude is required. Not the quietude of somnolence, but > a completely alert one. Only this complete not doing of body and mind > is required. > > As the beast approaches, everyday mind will try to jump on it. This > is a fatal mistake. You must remain indifferent, as if nothing is > happening, > because, really, nothing is. If you remain absolutely still the > creature will jump > on your lap. When it chooses to leave, let it go. Don't try to > capture it, or find it with your thoughts. Looking for original mind > in ideas is like beating a drum when looking for silence. It will > take several visits before the creature makes a nest in your head. > You must be patient, quiet, alert. > > Good hunting, > > Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 There is nothing to apperceive. Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > As the beast approaches, everyday mind will try to jump on it. > This > > > is a fatal mistake. You must remain indifferent, as if nothing is > > > happening, > > > because, really, nothing is. If you remain absolutely still the > > > creature will jump > > > on your lap. When it chooses to leave, let it go. Don't try to > > > capture it, or find it with your thoughts. Looking for original > > mind > > > in ideas is like beating a drum when looking for silence. It will > > > take several visits before the creature makes a nest in your > head. > > > You must be patient, quiet, alert. > > > > > > Good hunting, > > > > > > Pete > > > > The hunter retains a grasp on himself. > > > > He knows what he wants and how to get it. > > > > Yet, there is this moment, now, in which > > there can be no grasp on the grasper, > > hence no movement toward hunting anything. > > > > This stillness is not coming and going. > > > > It is *this* in which my entire life > > is a coming and going that is insubstantial, > > and yet it is the very *this* which encompasses > > the entirety of what I previously > > knew as me and my life. > > > > -- Dan > > You are right about the stillness being there all the time. > It's awareness, it's unknowing, it's life, and it's death. All > entities rise and fall here. But the apperception of it comes and > goes in the brain as an inmutable emptiness. And inmutability can > only be apperceived briefly, and as an absence of change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 > You are right about the stillness being there all the time. > It's awareness, it's unknowing, it's life, and it's death. We agree on this. > All > entities rise and fall here. Yes. > But the apperception of it comes and > goes in the brain as an inmutable emptiness. And inmutability can > only be apperceived briefly, and as an absence of change. The brain can't apperceive the stillness in which the brain comes and goes. The brain is oriented toward contents (such as sensations, memories, experiences, perceptions). What is brief (as the so-called apperception in the brain you mention) or long (if there were a long version, which you say there isn't) -- either way, involves duration, involves time. What if we understood that time is perception -- perceptions take time to construe, and changes in perceptions are how we construe time? Then, we'd have to say that time is perception. Apperception is timeless, thus, not a property of the brain -- which is a construction in and of time, involving certain temporal conditions, coming together and falling apart depending on conditions. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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