Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Anders, Very poetic - written with shiny eyes. Are you an artist ? But here comes a heavy bone to swallow: Out of nothingness comes everything Fear is the movement away from Life is the movement away from nothingess Therefore: Life is fear Werner Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > Hi Anders, > > > > Yes I see, you like that pure awareness very much. > > > > Can you at least accept that pure awareness and nothingness is the > > same ? > > > > Werner > > Pure awareness is that clear, timeless, pure and brilliant radiance > that makes the world come alive. When we see that the world is > nothing but a movie in pure awareness then we see that the world has > no substace of its own. What we call the world is nothing but the > past, a memory within pure awareness. A memory is not alive and has > no reality without the beholder. In that sense the world is > nothingness. > > /AL > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Anders, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. I have no problems with it. Besides one > > > > thing: Pure consciousness or pure awareness. > > > > > > > > Do you know what " pure consciousness " is standing for ? Very > > > simple - > > > > it is THE hope of the me which doesn't want to leave, to die. > It > > has > > > > found a new home: Pure consciousness ! Fine to know that I > don't > > > have > > > > to disappear totally into nothingness because there is stil a > > > residue > > > > where I will survive: Pure consciousness. And therefore so many > > > > seekers are interested in pure consciousness - it is their > escape. > > > > > > > > Can you accept that ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > " I was standing at the abyss ready to jump. And when I started > to > > > > jump there was no one to jump and no abyss " > > > > > > > > Wayne Liquorman > > > > > > Pure awareness is just like a video camera: it observes things > but > > > cannot by itself do anything. Every person has this video camera. > > > This camera is pure awareness itself. What registers as images in > > > this camera (thoughts, feelings and the senses that observes the > > > world) has already happened! How can a video camera jump into the > > > abyss by itself? How can the past jump into the abyss? > > > > > > For fun: when you observe people, notice that they have already > > > happened and that there is nothing that can hurt the camera which > > is > > > your present awareness. Even you own body has already happened. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@p...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Murali, > > > > > > > > > > > > In my understanding there is no " pure " consicousness > > > > (consciousness > > > > > > without a content). Consciousness is its content. But I can > > > > > > understand if one is already conscious of something before > it > > > > > passed > > > > > > the associative, interpreting process of the mind that one > > can > > > > get > > > > > > the impression of purity and timelessness (there are no > > longer > > > > any > > > > > > interpretations in terms of past and future). > > > > > > > > > > > > To be able to live in this world you need associations and > to > > > use > > > > > > what you have learned - without it you would lose > orientation. > > > > > > > > > > As I see it, to use what we have learned is a part of the > > process > > > > of > > > > > creating a sequence in time that holds together in a > beautiful > > > > > pattern, but there has never been any individual being who > has > > > done > > > > > anything to be able to hold this orientation in life > together. > > > All > > > > > happens by itself. Everything that happens has already > > happened. > > > > > There has never been any individual doer. Awareness as the > pure > > > > > observer is the only thing that is alive. Everything that > > appears > > > > in > > > > > this pure awareness has already happened. The world is truly > > > Maya, > > > > a > > > > > Matrix without any substance in itself. The " me " has already > > > > > happened, including that part of the " me " containing the idea > > of > > > > > being a separate doer. It is extremely clear and simple: > > > everything > > > > > has already happened. But this becomes extraordinary > difficult > > to > > > > see > > > > > when we take the future as somthing else than a past that has > > > > already > > > > > happened. Everything we call the future is only ideas in the > > > mind, > > > > > and these ideas have already happened when observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " purer " the content of consciousness the more you will > > lose > > > > > > orientation. Thanks heavens it is not given into our hands > > > > > > to " purify " consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is already totally clear and pure. It is the idea > of > > > > being > > > > > a separate doer that hides this obvious fact. When awareness > is > > > > freed > > > > > from constanly looking at a false " me " -idea, then awareness > is > > > > > unplugged from a prison, a prison for your mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And - there is also no observer. The observer is the > > observed, > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > content of consciousness which he seemingly is observing. > > > > > > > > > > > > But: > > > > > > One can get into that state where one no longer exists - > > where > > > > the > > > > > > illusion of a me or a doing entity is gone. And that state > is > > > > > > independend of purity and impurity, of sense and nonsense. > > That > > > > > state > > > > > > is liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > When the Self becomes Total, then there is liberation. This > is > > > the > > > > > Final Outsourcing of all problems. Or so I guess/feel. :-) > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H > > > \(MED\) " > > > > > > <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Consciousness is its content which is the past. > > Because > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no consciousness without a content (the so called " pure " > > > > > > > > consciousness) consciousness IS the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That which is aware of the past is pure consciousness. > The > > > past > > > > > is > > > > > > > also pure consciousness, so yes they are one. In this > > present > > > > > > moment > > > > > > > timeless consciousness is the observer of a changing > past, > > > the > > > > > > > observer of itself passing through itself. Hmm... That > was > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > to understand. I don't really understand it myself. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Consciousness is its content which is the past. > > > > > > > >>>> WHen u say Past , Future, u are moving away from the > > > state > > > > > of > > > > > > pure consciousness... > > > > > > > so the above statement is invalid. > > > > > > > Murali, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Anders, > > Very poetic - written with shiny eyes. Are you an artist ? > > But here comes a heavy bone to swallow: > > Out of nothingness comes everything > Fear is the movement away from > Life is the movement away from nothingess > Therefore: Life is fear > > Werner No, I am a software engineer, but I like art. The real me is what has always been and what makes this world happen. To the Self fear is a temporary restrictor of untamed finite desires. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.