Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Hello, <<Yes, my consciousness must the free observer itself, because only my consciousness is of the present moment. The physical world is always the past. The past cannot create the present moment, because the present moment is always one step in front of the past. So what is real is only consciousness.>> *Stop thinking* Find out who or what owns, who or what is saying 'my'? Scott. Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , Scott Andersen <sga_email> wrote: > > Hello, > > <<Yes, my consciousness must the free observer itself, because only my > consciousness is of the present moment. The physical world is always > the past. The past cannot create the present moment, because the > present moment is always one step in front of the past. So what is > real is only consciousness.>> > > > > *Stop thinking* > > Find out who or what owns, who or what is saying 'my'? > > Scott. > Interesting, I can see my intellect as a " thing " of its own. Hmm... Meditate on this, I will. :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Hello again, <<Interesting, I can see my intellect as a " thing " of its own. Hmm... Meditate on this, I will. :-)>> Drop the 'my' Scott. /AL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , Scott Andersen <sga_email> wrote: > > Hello again, > > > <<Interesting, I can see my intellect as a " thing " of its own. Hmm... > Meditate on this, I will. :-)>> > > Drop the 'my' > > Scott. > Hmm... What remains then is the _feeling_ called 'my'. Mediatate more on this, I will. :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 One of your best posts, Skogen, even if it went over the head of the target audience. It's a silver bullet. Thanks, Pete > Your consciousness moves and with it, everything. The Changeless, > Awareness, Anatta, pure consciousness, eternity, logos, timeless > awareness and so on...these terms are just words, > concepts...philosophical crutches, approaches. The stillness you are > looking for, doesn't know about limitations; it doesn't care about > change or movements, past, present or future. You can't apprehend it > intelectually but, you can fool yourself intelectually...you can't > even experience it, but you can believe, that what you experience is > more than a farce and you can try to fool others. There is no way > out. You will be a prisoner as long as you think, that something can > be achieved. You have lost, being borned to a senseless life full of > stupid illusions about everything. Surrender! But, it seems you > don't have even intelectually the capacity to do it. Everything is a > lie, including what I write here. There is nothing, there was > nothing...not even zero. Give up, simply! Forget about all this crap > on spirituality...sit down, meditate! Do your work, eat, sleep, be > kind and just wait patiently until you die. This world will not > offer you more than what you already knew, when you entered it, on > the contrary!, if you don't take care, you will condemn the day you > were born. And, taking care, too. Renounce! More lifes will make > things not better. Forget about all this crap about awareness, it's > your ass that's on the line. Be like a panther and fight this > miserable, abortive battle. Don't let others fool yourself and don't > try to fool others with alleged spiritual or intellectual > achievements. Be sincere to yourself, be happy and free. Help the > next poor sucker on his one-way trip and pray for a calm death... > > > I fucked up a time ago, once and for all, and, you can't imagine how > liberating that is... > > > > LOve > sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 man... that's a good one... u had me hipmotized there for a minute... u got that guru lingo down, man... u could start giving seminars & start making some real dough... sell some videos & t-shirts & stuff... u said: " so timeless pure awareness is what we all are " ... what the hell is that??? :0 (i'm just jerking yer chain)... fear is natural... it's all good... fear is awareness... all the animals in the wild r hyped up on fear... if not, they wouldn't survive... u said: " Only that which is not time can be able to observe time " ... time is made up... it can't be observed... it's not real... it's a myth... it's a fantasy, an illusion, a fiction... " life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound & fury, signifying nothing. " (quote from the great bhagwan gurudeva rama lama shree willie " billy boy " shakespeare) keep writing... it's all good... Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Hej sk! :-) > > The fear we experience when watching a thrilling movie is a part of > the entertainment, and without this fear the experience would be dull. > > What I am talking about is the fear we believe to be " real " fear, for > example the fear of making a fool of oneself, or to look bad in other > peoples eyes, the fear of getting sick, getting old, of dying, of > losing a job, one's reputation, one's memory, of going crazy, of > losing family and friends, of not being able to do a good enough job, > of being lonely, of being bored, of being hateful, of feeling shame > and guilt, of not being kind enough, of not being supportive enough, > of not being considerate enough, of being a social failure, fear > about accidents, misfortune, crime, society, money, religion, wrong > politics, bad news, e t c, e t c. > > This " real " fear is an illusion. > > There is no separate " you " able to do anything. There is no separate > organization, group of people or individual person able to do > anything. When the human mind becomes aware of a thought that thought > has already been created, not by the individual, but by the Universe. > Everyhing you see around you built by humans; buildings, cars, > computers, clothes and food: none of these things has been created by > individuals. The world is a total movement appearing in > consciousness. What you are is the Totality in action in the form of > a dead past observed in the present moment by awareness, the only > thing with life. > > So, timeless pure awareness is what we all are. Only that which is > not time can be able to observe time. > > When you look at another person it is only the past you see. When > that other person looks at you it is only the past he or she sees. > What you experience as your own body is only the past. Even your own > thoughs and feelings are just the past you see. The physical world is > just a memory in pure timeless awareness. The world has no separate > existence of its own. The world is all Maya, inluding your body _and_ > your thoughs and feelings. It is like pure consciousness is all there > is in the form of an infinite indestructible Matrix. We are that > Matrix itself. > > Now, when we _really_ see that the entire physical manifestation is > nothing but a changing memory in pure consciousness, what then is > fear? A total illusion! The intellect cannot see this. The intellect > is only an automatic process inluding the idea of a separare " me " . > The intellect is only needed as a bridge from animal form to realized > being. The intellect can never do anything by itself, it just > contains the _idea_ of being a separate doer. The intellect is being > done by the Universe. There is no separare individual doers. And when > this false idea melts away, then fear also melts away. Both are > illusions. > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > man... that's a good one... u had me hipmotized there for a minute... > u got that guru lingo down, man... u could start giving seminars & > start making some real dough... sell some videos & t-shirts & > stuff... > > u said: " so timeless pure awareness is what we all are " ... > > what the hell is that??? > > :0 > > (i'm just jerking yer chain)... > > fear is natural... it's all good... fear is awareness... all the > animals in the wild r hyped up on fear... if not, they wouldn't > survive... > > u said: " Only that which is not time can be able to observe time " ... > > time is made up... it can't be observed... it's not real... it's a > myth... it's a fantasy, an illusion, a fiction... " life is a tale > told by an idiot, full of sound & fury, signifying nothing. " (quote > from the great bhagwan gurudeva rama lama shree willie " billy boy " > shakespeare) > > keep writing... it's all good... As Nisargadatta said: " The world is unreal to the core " . That is pretty accurate. All the animals in the wild? Fear? :-) There never has been an animal and there never will be an animal except as a ripple in timeless consciousness. That ripple we call the past. The world is not alive, it is already dead, or rather it is just a projection. There never has been a real person anywhere. Persons are only a ripple in timeless consciousness. You exist zero seconds from timeless consciousness _all_ the time. The world is of time (more than zero seconds " away " from your awareness) and time as you say is not real, it is only a ripple in consciousness. Your entire " past " life is being created NOW. There is only now. See? This your past life is not you, it is only a memory track created now. How can you have gone to this or that school in the past, when there is no past other than as a memory track created now? This is something for you to investigate carefully. /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > Hej sk! :-) > > > > The fear we experience when watching a thrilling movie is a part of > > the entertainment, and without this fear the experience would be > dull. > > > > What I am talking about is the fear we believe to be " real " fear, > for > > example the fear of making a fool of oneself, or to look bad in > other > > peoples eyes, the fear of getting sick, getting old, of dying, of > > losing a job, one's reputation, one's memory, of going crazy, of > > losing family and friends, of not being able to do a good enough > job, > > of being lonely, of being bored, of being hateful, of feeling shame > > and guilt, of not being kind enough, of not being supportive > enough, > > of not being considerate enough, of being a social failure, fear > > about accidents, misfortune, crime, society, money, religion, wrong > > politics, bad news, e t c, e t c. > > > > This " real " fear is an illusion. > > > > There is no separate " you " able to do anything. There is no > separate > > organization, group of people or individual person able to do > > anything. When the human mind becomes aware of a thought that > thought > > has already been created, not by the individual, but by the > Universe. > > Everyhing you see around you built by humans; buildings, cars, > > computers, clothes and food: none of these things has been created > by > > individuals. The world is a total movement appearing in > > consciousness. What you are is the Totality in action in the form > of > > a dead past observed in the present moment by awareness, the only > > thing with life. > > > > So, timeless pure awareness is what we all are. Only that which is > > not time can be able to observe time. > > > > When you look at another person it is only the past you see. When > > that other person looks at you it is only the past he or she sees. > > What you experience as your own body is only the past. Even your > own > > thoughs and feelings are just the past you see. The physical world > is > > just a memory in pure timeless awareness. The world has no separate > > existence of its own. The world is all Maya, inluding your body > _and_ > > your thoughs and feelings. It is like pure consciousness is all > there > > is in the form of an infinite indestructible Matrix. We are that > > Matrix itself. > > > > Now, when we _really_ see that the entire physical manifestation is > > nothing but a changing memory in pure consciousness, what then is > > fear? A total illusion! The intellect cannot see this. The > intellect > > is only an automatic process inluding the idea of a separare " me " . > > The intellect is only needed as a bridge from animal form to > realized > > being. The intellect can never do anything by itself, it just > > contains the _idea_ of being a separate doer. The intellect is > being > > done by the Universe. There is no separare individual doers. And > when > > this false idea melts away, then fear also melts away. Both are > > illusions. > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 nah... nothing to investigate... your investigating is just another form of ego-centric seeking which only leads to more frustration, separation & suffering... what is, is always already... there is no attaining it or investigating it... u r it... u r what is... i am god... u r me... understand this... your investigations r merely symptoms of a dis-ease... u feel tense, uneasy, so u seek distractions... observe what is tensing up & then u will no longer need to investigate or seek out distractions.... the problem is the ego is scared & it has to make up all kinds of bullshit in order to cope w/ reality... the ego is that part of the body-mind which seeks to separate & isolate itself from what is perceived to be as other... this ego-separation is the cause of all suffering & the cause of seeking... watch the ego as it tries to isolate itself from other... this is where suffering is derived... yours danananda > > As Nisargadatta said: " The world is unreal to the core " . That is > pretty accurate. All the animals in the wild? Fear? :-) There never > has been an animal and there never will be an animal except as a > ripple in timeless consciousness. That ripple we call the past. The > world is not alive, it is already dead, or rather it is just a > projection. There never has been a real person anywhere. Persons are > only a ripple in timeless consciousness. > > You exist zero seconds from timeless consciousness _all_ the time. > The world is of time (more than zero seconds " away " from your > awareness) and time as you say is not real, it is only a ripple in > consciousness. Your entire " past " life is being created NOW. There is > only now. See? This your past life is not you, it is only a memory > track created now. How can you have gone to this or that school in > the past, when there is no past other than as a memory track created > now? This is something for you to investigate carefully. > > /AL > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hej sk! :-) > > > > > > The fear we experience when watching a thrilling movie is a part > of > > > the entertainment, and without this fear the experience would be > > dull. > > > > > > What I am talking about is the fear we believe to be " real " fear, > > for > > > example the fear of making a fool of oneself, or to look bad in > > other > > > peoples eyes, the fear of getting sick, getting old, of dying, of > > > losing a job, one's reputation, one's memory, of going crazy, of > > > losing family and friends, of not being able to do a good enough > > job, > > > of being lonely, of being bored, of being hateful, of feeling > shame > > > and guilt, of not being kind enough, of not being supportive > > enough, > > > of not being considerate enough, of being a social failure, fear > > > about accidents, misfortune, crime, society, money, religion, > wrong > > > politics, bad news, e t c, e t c. > > > > > > This " real " fear is an illusion. > > > > > > There is no separate " you " able to do anything. There is no > > separate > > > organization, group of people or individual person able to do > > > anything. When the human mind becomes aware of a thought that > > thought > > > has already been created, not by the individual, but by the > > Universe. > > > Everyhing you see around you built by humans; buildings, cars, > > > computers, clothes and food: none of these things has been > created > > by > > > individuals. The world is a total movement appearing in > > > consciousness. What you are is the Totality in action in the form > > of > > > a dead past observed in the present moment by awareness, the only > > > thing with life. > > > > > > So, timeless pure awareness is what we all are. Only that which > is > > > not time can be able to observe time. > > > > > > When you look at another person it is only the past you see. When > > > that other person looks at you it is only the past he or she > sees. > > > What you experience as your own body is only the past. Even your > > own > > > thoughs and feelings are just the past you see. The physical > world > > is > > > just a memory in pure timeless awareness. The world has no > separate > > > existence of its own. The world is all Maya, inluding your body > > _and_ > > > your thoughs and feelings. It is like pure consciousness is all > > there > > > is in the form of an infinite indestructible Matrix. We are that > > > Matrix itself. > > > > > > Now, when we _really_ see that the entire physical manifestation > is > > > nothing but a changing memory in pure consciousness, what then is > > > fear? A total illusion! The intellect cannot see this. The > > intellect > > > is only an automatic process inluding the idea of a > separare " me " . > > > The intellect is only needed as a bridge from animal form to > > realized > > > being. The intellect can never do anything by itself, it just > > > contains the _idea_ of being a separate doer. The intellect is > > being > > > done by the Universe. There is no separare individual doers. And > > when > > > this false idea melts away, then fear also melts away. Both are > > > illusions. > > > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > nah... nothing to investigate... your investigating is just another > form of ego-centric seeking which only leads to more frustration, > separation & suffering... what is, is always already... there is no > attaining it or investigating it... u r it... u r what is... i am > god... u r me... understand this... your investigations r merely > symptoms of a dis-ease... u feel tense, uneasy, so u seek > distractions... observe what is tensing up & then u will no longer > need to investigate or seek out distractions.... > > the problem is the ego is scared & it has to make up all kinds of > bullshit in order to cope w/ reality... the ego is that part of the > body-mind which seeks to separate & isolate itself from what is > perceived to be as other... this ego-separation is the cause of all > suffering & the cause of seeking... watch the ego as it tries to > isolate itself from other... this is where suffering is derived... > > yours > > danananda > I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and others " . This is a state of tremendous anxiety and confusion mixed with views into clarity. One should be careful before stepping into this seeking stuff. Or else medication will be needed. :-) /AL > > > > > > As Nisargadatta said: " The world is unreal to the core " . That is > > pretty accurate. All the animals in the wild? Fear? :-) There never > > has been an animal and there never will be an animal except as a > > ripple in timeless consciousness. That ripple we call the past. The > > world is not alive, it is already dead, or rather it is just a > > projection. There never has been a real person anywhere. Persons > are > > only a ripple in timeless consciousness. > > > > You exist zero seconds from timeless consciousness _all_ the time. > > The world is of time (more than zero seconds " away " from your > > awareness) and time as you say is not real, it is only a ripple in > > consciousness. Your entire " past " life is being created NOW. There > is > > only now. See? This your past life is not you, it is only a memory > > track created now. How can you have gone to this or that school in > > the past, when there is no past other than as a memory track > created > > now? This is something for you to investigate carefully. > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hej sk! :-) > > > > > > > > The fear we experience when watching a thrilling movie is a > part > > of > > > > the entertainment, and without this fear the experience would > be > > > dull. > > > > > > > > What I am talking about is the fear we believe to be " real " > fear, > > > for > > > > example the fear of making a fool of oneself, or to look bad in > > > other > > > > peoples eyes, the fear of getting sick, getting old, of dying, > of > > > > losing a job, one's reputation, one's memory, of going crazy, > of > > > > losing family and friends, of not being able to do a good > enough > > > job, > > > > of being lonely, of being bored, of being hateful, of feeling > > shame > > > > and guilt, of not being kind enough, of not being supportive > > > enough, > > > > of not being considerate enough, of being a social failure, > fear > > > > about accidents, misfortune, crime, society, money, religion, > > wrong > > > > politics, bad news, e t c, e t c. > > > > > > > > This " real " fear is an illusion. > > > > > > > > There is no separate " you " able to do anything. There is no > > > separate > > > > organization, group of people or individual person able to do > > > > anything. When the human mind becomes aware of a thought that > > > thought > > > > has already been created, not by the individual, but by the > > > Universe. > > > > Everyhing you see around you built by humans; buildings, cars, > > > > computers, clothes and food: none of these things has been > > created > > > by > > > > individuals. The world is a total movement appearing in > > > > consciousness. What you are is the Totality in action in the > form > > > of > > > > a dead past observed in the present moment by awareness, the > only > > > > thing with life. > > > > > > > > So, timeless pure awareness is what we all are. Only that which > > is > > > > not time can be able to observe time. > > > > > > > > When you look at another person it is only the past you see. > When > > > > that other person looks at you it is only the past he or she > > sees. > > > > What you experience as your own body is only the past. Even > your > > > own > > > > thoughs and feelings are just the past you see. The physical > > world > > > is > > > > just a memory in pure timeless awareness. The world has no > > separate > > > > existence of its own. The world is all Maya, inluding your body > > > _and_ > > > > your thoughs and feelings. It is like pure consciousness is all > > > there > > > > is in the form of an infinite indestructible Matrix. We are > that > > > > Matrix itself. > > > > > > > > Now, when we _really_ see that the entire physical > manifestation > > is > > > > nothing but a changing memory in pure consciousness, what then > is > > > > fear? A total illusion! The intellect cannot see this. The > > > intellect > > > > is only an automatic process inluding the idea of a > > separare " me " . > > > > The intellect is only needed as a bridge from animal form to > > > realized > > > > being. The intellect can never do anything by itself, it just > > > > contains the _idea_ of being a separate doer. The intellect is > > > being > > > > done by the Universe. There is no separare individual doers. > And > > > when > > > > this false idea melts away, then fear also melts away. Both are > > > > illusions. > > > > > > > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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