Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Hi, <I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and others " . > Who or what divides? Who or what is 'in' what state? Scott. /AL Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , Scott Andersen <sga_email> wrote: > > Hi, > > <I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and > others " . > > > Who or what divides? > > Who or what is 'in' what state? > > Scott. That's what is so confusing for me. I suspect that the " me " is just a process giving the appearance of separation. If this process dissolves it would be good. Then there would be a me without the _feeling_ of being separate. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 u r not in that state... your ego-mind is in that state... the ego is the body-mind... u r erroneously identifying yourself w/ your body- mind... the ego-body constricts & freezes up w/ fear... u can feel it... u can feel it happen in the body-mind as the ego tightens up & contracts & shuts off reality-consciousness... it happens usually quite subtly, but, it can be observed in action... the ego is not a " thing " ... it is an action... simply observe this ego-action tightening up in the body-mind as it chronically occurs in everyday life... soon u will see that this ego function of tensing & tightening up is not necessary & u will feel release... w/ this release, comes peace & understanding yours danananda " I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and others " . This is a state of tremendous anxiety and confusion mixed with views into clarity. One should be careful before stepping into this seeking stuff. Or else medication will be needed. :-) " /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > > u r not in that state... your ego-mind is in that state... the ego is > the body-mind... u r erroneously identifying yourself w/ your body- > mind... the ego-body constricts & freezes up w/ fear... u can feel > it... u can feel it happen in the body-mind as the ego tightens up & > contracts & shuts off reality-consciousness... it happens usually > quite subtly, but, it can be observed in action... the ego is not > a " thing " ... it is an action... simply observe this ego-action > tightening up in the body-mind as it chronically occurs in everyday > life... soon u will see that this ego function of tensing & > tightening up is not necessary & u will feel release... w/ this > release, comes peace & understanding > > yours > > danananda > Yes, there is a tremendous contration in me. And when I started pondering over pure consciousness as a reality, a process of dissolving this contration began to happen in me. It is like this hardened pain/fear/contraction is being melted by some nice energy. At the same time the pain/fear seems to increase as a last process before it can be dissolved. But there is no doubt in my mind; the energy that melts the fear will win in the end. Gradually more and more fear is being dissolved in me. This is as obvious as when drinking water removes thirst. It cannot be denied. /AL > > > > > > " I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and > others " . This is a state of tremendous anxiety and confusion mixed > with views into clarity. One should be careful before stepping into > this seeking stuff. Or else medication will be needed. :-) " > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 yes... that's it... u r on the way, brother... we r all on the way... in various situations, i sense the body-mind ego constricting & shutting itself off from communication, from consciousness... we all do it from one degree to another, throughout our daily life... there r some masters who have transcended this ego blockage... hence, it is within the realm of possibility... simply continue to observe how the ego acts... then, feel it " being melted down by some nice energy " , as u say... your degree of sincerity will determine the rapidity of this " melting down " process... yours danananda Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: Yes, there is a tremendous contration in me. And when I started pondering over pure consciousness as a reality, a process of dissolving this contration began to happen in me. It is like this hardened pain/fear/contraction is being melted by some nice energy. At the same time the pain/fear seems to increase as a last process before it can be dissolved. But there is no doubt in my mind; the energy that melts the fear will win in the end. Gradually more and more fear is being dissolved in me. This is as obvious as when drinking water removes thirst. It cannot be denied. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > yes... that's it... u r on the way, brother... we r all on the way... > in various situations, i sense the body-mind ego constricting & > shutting itself off from communication, from consciousness... we all > do it from one degree to another, throughout our daily life... there > r some masters who have transcended this ego blockage... hence, it is > within the realm of possibility... > > simply continue to observe how the ego acts... then, feel it " being > melted down by some nice energy " , as u say... your degree of > sincerity will determine the rapidity of this " melting down " > process... > > yours > > danananda Yes, I think one has to ask oneself: " these concepts, are they real or not according to science as we know it? " Yes, or no? When I look at a star, is this an image of how the star looked like several years ago? Yes, or no? If yes, then where is this physical world now? If no, then where is this physical world now? What is aware? Where is that which is aware? Where is the physical world? And then gradually a total shift slowly, slowly starts to happen: from I am the body, to the body is in me. /AL > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Yes, there is a tremendous contration in me. And when I started > pondering over pure consciousness as a reality, a process of > dissolving this contration began to happen in me. It is like this > hardened pain/fear/contraction is being melted by some nice energy. > At the same time the pain/fear seems to increase as a last process > before it can be dissolved. But there is no doubt in my mind; the > energy that melts the fear will win in the end. Gradually more and > more fear is being dissolved in me. This is as obvious as when > drinking water removes thirst. It cannot be denied. > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: > Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " > > <danananda2004> wrote: > > > > u r not in that state... your ego-mind is in that > state... the ego > is > > the body-mind... u r erroneously identifying > yourself w/ your body- > > mind... the ego-body constricts & freezes up w/ > fear... u can feel > > it... u can feel it happen in the body-mind as the > ego tightens up > & > > contracts & shuts off reality-consciousness... it > happens usually > > quite subtly, but, it can be observed in action... > the ego is not > > a " thing " ... it is an action... simply observe > this ego-action > > tightening up in the body-mind as it chronically > occurs in everyday > > life... soon u will see that this ego function of > tensing & > > tightening up is not necessary & u will feel > release... w/ this > > release, comes peace & understanding > > > > yours > > > > danananda > > > > Yes, there is a tremendous contration in me. And > when I started > pondering over pure consciousness as a reality, a > process of > dissolving this contration began to happen in me. It > is like this > hardened pain/fear/contraction is being melted by > some nice energy. > At the same time the pain/fear seems to increase as > a last process > before it can be dissolved. But there is no doubt in > my mind; the > energy that melts the fear will win in the end. > Gradually more and > more fear is being dissolved in me. This is as > obvious as when > drinking water removes thirst. It cannot be denied. > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am in a state between " there is only one " and > " there is me and > > others " . This is a state of tremendous anxiety and > confusion mixed > > with views into clarity. One should be careful > before stepping into > > this seeking stuff. Or else medication will be > needed. :-) " > > > > /AL > Dear friend There is no need of medication when one steps into the seeking stuff, i agree that there will be some tension between the there is only one and there is me and others initially, because what we read n understand about truth will be only in the periphery of our being slowly without our knowing over the years this knowledge of truth will become an understanding, deeper n deeper and then the importance of others n their opinion will reduce. Whenever u feel let down by the world never depend on ur money health or family depend on gurus words only. U will slowly become more n more relaxed as u wont need anybody or anything and at the same time they will need u n ur presense n ur words of advice n soothening. Then u will be a master free alone kevaloham. These r the observations on my path Love Jacob Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , jacob mathan <jacmattvm> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " > > > > <danananda2004> wrote: > > > > > > u r not in that state... your ego-mind is in that > > state... the ego > > is > > > the body-mind... u r erroneously identifying > > yourself w/ your body- > > > mind... the ego-body constricts & freezes up w/ > > fear... u can feel > > > it... u can feel it happen in the body-mind as the > > ego tightens up > > & > > > contracts & shuts off reality-consciousness... it > > happens usually > > > quite subtly, but, it can be observed in action... > > the ego is not > > > a " thing " ... it is an action... simply observe > > this ego-action > > > tightening up in the body-mind as it chronically > > occurs in everyday > > > life... soon u will see that this ego function of > > tensing & > > > tightening up is not necessary & u will feel > > release... w/ this > > > release, comes peace & understanding > > > > > > yours > > > > > > danananda > > > > > > > Yes, there is a tremendous contration in me. And > > when I started > > pondering over pure consciousness as a reality, a > > process of > > dissolving this contration began to happen in me. It > > is like this > > hardened pain/fear/contraction is being melted by > > some nice energy. > > At the same time the pain/fear seems to increase as > > a last process > > before it can be dissolved. But there is no doubt in > > my mind; the > > energy that melts the fear will win in the end. > > Gradually more and > > more fear is being dissolved in me. This is as > > obvious as when > > drinking water removes thirst. It cannot be denied. > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am in a state between " there is only one " and > > " there is me and > > > others " . This is a state of tremendous anxiety and > > confusion mixed > > > with views into clarity. One should be careful > > before stepping into > > > this seeking stuff. Or else medication will be > > needed. :-) " > > > > > > /AL > > Dear friend There is no need of medication when one > steps into the seeking stuff, i agree that there will > be some tension between the there is only one and > there is me and others initially, because what we read > n understand about truth will be only in the periphery > of our being slowly without our knowing over the years > this knowledge of truth will become an understanding, > deeper n deeper and then the importance of others n > their opinion will reduce. Whenever u feel let down by > the world never depend on ur money health or family > depend on gurus words only. U will slowly become more > n more relaxed as u wont need anybody or anything and > at the same time they will need u n ur presense n ur > words of advice n soothening. Then u will be a master > free alone kevaloham. These r the observations on my > path Love Jacob > Thanks Jacob I feel a process of relaxing is happening to me, so I know that what you are saying can happen. It will be interesting to see how deep this relaxing can become, or maybe this process will reverse and anxiety increase in me. :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , anders_lindman wrote: > Nisargadatta , Scott Andersen <sga_email> > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > <I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and > > others " . > > > > > Who or what divides? > > > > Who or what is 'in' what state? > > > > Scott. > > That's what is so confusing for me. I suspect that the " me " is just a > process giving the appearance of separation. If this process > dissolves it would be good. Then there would be a me without the > _feeling_ of being separate. > > /AL If there is only x, call it consciousness or call it whatever -- there is only x. There's no process; if there were, that brings in something else. No appearance of something else, to whom else would that appearance appear? There's nothing needing to be dissolved, not if there is only x. There wouldn't be a me, that involves something else. You have said there is only x, but then you talk like you're concerned about all kinds of y's and z's, and how they feel, and whether or not they dissolve. Maybe all this talk about consciousness, and appearances, and me's -- is secretly an attempt to get something. If there's only x, there's no way to know there's only x, and nothing to get to, nowhere to go. Just being as one is -- unremarked and unremarkable. Perfect peace. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 it's highly probable that u might be looking up at a star that no longer even exists... it has been ascertained by science that by the time the light reaches the earth from some stars, they have already burned out... the way i see it is we is all god... we all run on consciousness... it flows thru everybody, every plant, every thing... the trick is to give up trying to grasp that & just be that... it's the seeking, the grasping that gets in the way of the realizing the god- consciousness... yours danananda > Yes, I think one has to ask oneself: " these concepts, are they real > or not according to science as we know it? " Yes, or no? When I look > at a star, is this an image of how the star looked like several years > ago? Yes, or no? If yes, then where is this physical world now? If > no, then where is this physical world now? What is aware? Where is > that which is aware? Where is the physical world? And then gradually > a total shift slowly, slowly starts to happen: from I am the body, to > the body is in me. > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , anders_lindman wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Scott Andersen > <sga_email> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > <I am in a state between " there is only one " and " there is me and > > > others " . > > > > > > > Who or what divides? > > > > > > Who or what is 'in' what state? > > > > > > Scott. > > > > That's what is so confusing for me. I suspect that the " me " is just > a > > process giving the appearance of separation. If this process > > dissolves it would be good. Then there would be a me without the > > _feeling_ of being separate. > > > > /AL > > If there is only x, call it consciousness or > call it whatever -- there is only x. > > There's no process; if there were, that brings in something else. > > No appearance of something else, to whom else would that > appearance appear? > > There's nothing needing to be dissolved, not > if there is only x. > > There wouldn't be a me, that involves something > else. > > You have said there is only x, but then you talk > like you're concerned about all kinds of > y's and z's, and how they feel, and > whether or not they dissolve. > > Maybe all this talk about consciousness, > and appearances, and me's -- > is secretly an attempt to get something. > > If there's only x, there's no way to know there's > only x, and nothing to get to, nowhere to go. > > Just being as one is -- unremarked and unremarkable. > > Perfect peace. > > -- Dan The ego is x, and the rest of existence is y. But x and y are not two. It is like y being an ocean and x being an ice cube floating in that ocean. As time goes by, x dissolves into y. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 > The ego is x, and the rest of existence is y. But x and y are not > two. It is like y being an ocean and x being an ice cube floating in > that ocean. As time goes by, x dissolves into y. > > /AL Yet, this which never was divided, never experiences itself in time. It includes time and events as an undivided " eventing " (as you suggested in a previous post). Yet never enters into time as a separated being going through different states of being (states of itself, in other words). -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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