back after one year...where comes the energy for dualization?

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Hello everybody!

 

Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this board

many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic fatiuge

syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this nightmare...!

 

aloha so far

fox

***

 

 

Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

 

I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse for

dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside again?

 

and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

 

if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

perfect equilibrium, what is then?

 

I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper and

deeper.

No end in sight.

 

There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the physical

body?

 

Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

 

Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or 'endless'?

 

 

Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

 

 

 

It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

theoretical...

 

 

Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into eternity/infinity...

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Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...>

wrote:

> Hello everybody!

 

Hi Fox --

 

 

> Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this board

> many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic fatiuge

> syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this nightmare...!

>

> aloha so far

> fox

> ***

>

>

> Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

 

Who says there's a first energy and a second energy?

 

> I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse for

> dualization come from.

 

Nonduality subsumes (includes) duality and all dualities.

 

I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

again?

 

For whom would it be necessary?

 

> and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

 

It means there's no separable " you " to be living a life.

 

Practically, this understanding changes nothing, so

without going anywhere, all dualities are resolved.

 

> if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> perfect equilibrium, what is then?

 

This is it.

 

> I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper and

> deeper.

> No end in sight.

 

They're wrong. There's no separable " you " to fall into anything,

deeper and deeper. There's no experience to be had

which could get deeper and deeper.

 

How disappointing, at least for anyone with expectations.

 

> There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the physical

> body?

 

There isn't any process of you which began.

 

The physical body doesn't have a separable owner which could

have been born and which will die.

 

There is no separation between the physical body and the

rest of the physical universe, nor between the physical

and whatever it is that you consider nonphysical or

transphysical or metaphysical or whatever.

 

> Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

 

No. It means you face your attempt to get somewhere, see

the contradiction of that attempt, and gracefully dissolve

as never-having-been-in-the-first-place.

 

> Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or 'endless'?

 

No.

 

> Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

 

You're pointing toward the workings of your own mind.

 

Hope you realize that those mind workings will never

bring you one iota closer to " what is. "

 

> It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> theoretical...

 

Inquire deeply now, and you will see that no external source

is required for an answer.

 

> Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into eternity/infinity...

 

Maybe you are the fear of losing yourself, nothing more.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...>

wrote:

> Hello everybody!

>

> Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this board

> many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic fatiuge

> syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this nightmare...!

>

> aloha so far

> fox

> ***

>

>

> Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

>

> I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse for

> dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

again?

>

> and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

>

> if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> perfect equilibrium, what is then?

>

> I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper and

> deeper.

> No end in sight.

>

> There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the physical

> body?

>

> Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

>

> Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or 'endless'?

>

>

> Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

>

>

>

> It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> theoretical...

>

>

> Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into eternity/infinity...

 

As I see it, evolution is undiffertiated consciousness exploding into

seemingly totally separate parts. Then consciousness comes back more

and more into oneness, not as one undifferentiated state again, but

as unique individual aspects (that would be us) who become to know

themself as wholeness while still being unique expressions. Without

evolution, without this separation followed by remembering, there

would only be undifferentiated consciousness observing itself. How

boring is that? :-) So, evolution is a way to go from the One and

then to the Many and then to THE ONE AND THE MANY.

 

/AL

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--- ultrafeeltrance <feel wrote:

> Hello everybody!

>

> Some of you might remember me, I have been posting

> on this board

> many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with

> chronic fatiuge

> syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this

> nightmare...!

>

> aloha so far

> fox

> ***

>

>

> Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy'

> came from.

>

> I mean if everything is essentially one, how does

> the impulse for

> dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the

> first place

> necessary, that appearances can arise and

> subsequently subside again?

>

> and also, what does that practically mean for our

> lives.

>

> if 'in the end' everything returns to the source,

> also known as

> perfect equilibrium, what is then?

>

> I can remember that some gurus say that there is no

> end to self-

> realization: meaning you fall into the

> infinity/eternity deeper and

> deeper.

> No end in sight.

>

> There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death

> of the physical

> body?

>

> Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier',

> never-ending?

>

> Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or

> 'endless'?

>

>

> Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

>

>

>

> It is actually a practical question, even if it

> sounds

> theoretical...

>

>

> Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into

> eternity/infinity...

>

> The first energy n dualization n fatigue everything

is a concept. Only the unlimeted exists. enlightenment

n self realization all these r concepts nothing exists

in the undivided mind other than itself

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

That's the way I see it too.

 

The small ego allows the consciousness to know " I am that " .

 

cheers

 

Eric

 

 

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...>

> wrote:

> > Hello everybody!

> >

> > Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this board

> > many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic

fatiuge

> > syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this nightmare...!

> >

> > aloha so far

> > fox

> > ***

> >

> >

> > Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

> >

> > I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse for

> > dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> > necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

> again?

> >

> > and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

> >

> > if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> > perfect equilibrium, what is then?

> >

> > I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> > realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper

and

> > deeper.

> > No end in sight.

> >

> > There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the

physical

> > body?

> >

> > Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

> >

> > Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or 'endless'?

> >

> >

> > Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

> >

> >

> >

> > It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> > theoretical...

> >

> >

> > Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into eternity/infinity...

>

> As I see it, evolution is undiffertiated consciousness exploding

into

> seemingly totally separate parts. Then consciousness comes back

more

> and more into oneness, not as one undifferentiated state again, but

> as unique individual aspects (that would be us) who become to know

> themself as wholeness while still being unique expressions. Without

> evolution, without this separation followed by remembering, there

> would only be undifferentiated consciousness observing itself. How

> boring is that? :-) So, evolution is a way to go from the One and

> then to the Many and then to THE ONE AND THE MANY.

>

> /AL

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote:

> That's the way I see it too.

>

> The small ego allows the consciousness to know " I am that " .

>

> cheers

>

> Eric

 

The ego goes: " Oh my God, I may be all alone! " , then comes a voice

out of the blue: " Who is all alone? " :-)

 

/AL

 

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance "

<feel@f...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello everybody!

> > >

> > > Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this

board

> > > many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic

> fatiuge

> > > syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this

nightmare...!

> > >

> > > aloha so far

> > > fox

> > > ***

> > >

> > >

> > > Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

> > >

> > > I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse

for

> > > dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> > > necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

> > again?

> > >

> > > and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

> > >

> > > if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> > > perfect equilibrium, what is then?

> > >

> > > I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> > > realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper

> and

> > > deeper.

> > > No end in sight.

> > >

> > > There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the

> physical

> > > body?

> > >

> > > Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

> > >

> > > Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite'

or 'endless'?

> > >

> > >

> > > Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> > > theoretical...

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into

eternity/infinity...

> >

> > As I see it, evolution is undiffertiated consciousness exploding

> into

> > seemingly totally separate parts. Then consciousness comes back

> more

> > and more into oneness, not as one undifferentiated state again,

but

> > as unique individual aspects (that would be us) who become to

know

> > themself as wholeness while still being unique expressions.

Without

> > evolution, without this separation followed by remembering, there

> > would only be undifferentiated consciousness observing itself.

How

> > boring is that? :-) So, evolution is a way to go from the One and

> > then to the Many and then to THE ONE AND THE MANY.

> >

> > /AL

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...>

> wrote:

> > Hello everybody!

> >

> > Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this board

> > many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic

fatiuge

> > syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this nightmare...!

> >

> > aloha so far

> > fox

> > ***

> >

> >

> > Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

> >

> > I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse for

> > dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> > necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

> again?

> >

> > and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

> >

> > if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> > perfect equilibrium, what is then?

> >

> > I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> > realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper

and

> > deeper.

> > No end in sight.

> >

> > There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the

physical

> > body?

> >

> > Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

> >

> > Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or 'endless'?

> >

> >

> > Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

> >

> >

> >

> > It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> > theoretical...

> >

> >

> > Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into eternity/infinity...

>

> As I see it, evolution is undiffertiated consciousness exploding

into

> seemingly totally separate parts. Then consciousness comes back

more

> and more into oneness, not as one undifferentiated state again, but

> as unique individual aspects (that would be us) who become to know

> themself as wholeness while still being unique expressions. Without

> evolution, without this separation followed by remembering, there

> would only be undifferentiated consciousness observing itself. How

> boring is that? :-) So, evolution is a way to go from the One and

> then to the Many and then to THE ONE AND THE MANY.

>

> /AL

 

Nope -- it's not boring at all.

 

There's no one here to be bored and no lack of

anything happening which could be boring.

 

There aren't two states of being, one differentiated

and one nondifferentiated.

 

Differentiation doesn't separate any entity with its own being from

some other entity. That kind of separation never took place.

 

This is it.

 

As is.

 

-- Dan

[Guest guest]

there is no 1st energy.... it is never born & it never dies... that's

what u r...

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...>

wrote:

> Hello everybody!

>

> Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this board

> many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic fatiuge

> syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this nightmare...!

>

> aloha so far

> fox

> ***

>

>

> Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

>

> I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse for

> dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

again?

>

> and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

>

> if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> perfect equilibrium, what is then?

>

> I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper and

> deeper.

> No end in sight.

>

> There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the physical

> body?

>

> Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

>

> Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite' or 'endless'?

>

>

> Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

>

>

>

> It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> theoretical...

>

>

> Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into eternity/infinity...

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance "

<feel@f...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello everybody!

> > >

> > > Some of you might remember me, I have been posting on this

board

> > > many month ago. I am the guy from Switzerland with chronic

> fatiuge

> > > syndrome and desperately trying to wake up from this

nightmare...!

> > >

> > > aloha so far

> > > fox

> > > ***

> > >

> > >

> > > Lately, I am wondering where the 'first energy' came from.

> > >

> > > I mean if everything is essentially one, how does the impulse

for

> > > dualization come from. I mean, isn't duality in the first place

> > > necessary, that appearances can arise and subsequently subside

> > again?

> > >

> > > and also, what does that practically mean for our lives.

> > >

> > > if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as

> > > perfect equilibrium, what is then?

> > >

> > > I can remember that some gurus say that there is no end to self-

> > > realization: meaning you fall into the infinity/eternity deeper

> and

> > > deeper.

> > > No end in sight.

> > >

> > > There is no end to this 'process'? Even after death of the

> physical

> > > body?

> > >

> > > Does that mean, 'one' gets 'happier and happier', never-ending?

> > >

> > > Are the guys here who 'got it' feeling 'infinite'

or 'endless'?

> > >

> > >

> > > Hope you know what I am pointing towards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is actually a practical question, even if it sounds

> > > theoretical...

> > >

> > >

> > > Maybe there is the fear of losing myself into

eternity/infinity...

> >

> > As I see it, evolution is undiffertiated consciousness exploding

> into

> > seemingly totally separate parts. Then consciousness comes back

> more

> > and more into oneness, not as one undifferentiated state again,

but

> > as unique individual aspects (that would be us) who become to

know

> > themself as wholeness while still being unique expressions.

Without

> > evolution, without this separation followed by remembering, there

> > would only be undifferentiated consciousness observing itself.

How

> > boring is that? :-) So, evolution is a way to go from the One and

> > then to the Many and then to THE ONE AND THE MANY.

> >

> > /AL

>

> Nope -- it's not boring at all.

>

> There's no one here to be bored and no lack of

> anything happening which could be boring.

>

> There aren't two states of being, one differentiated

> and one nondifferentiated.

>

> Differentiation doesn't separate any entity with its own being from

> some other entity. That kind of separation never took place.

>

> This is it.

>

> As is.

>

> -- Dan

 

Memories gives the appearance of separation. For how long time have

we existed? The answer is: zero seconds. We think we have been asleep

last night, but what is that sleep other than a memory in this moment?

 

/AL

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

 

> Memories gives the appearance of separation. For how long time have

> we existed? The answer is: zero seconds. We think we have been

asleep

> last night, but what is that sleep other than a memory in this

moment?

>

> /AL

 

Quite so.

 

-- Dan