Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 When we see it, we see that Reality is always here and now. Whether concepts are there or not, words are there or not, perception is there or not, the Hereness is alwasy here. Sometimes Buddhists say that Samsara is Nirvana and Advaitins say that the Brahman/Self is the World. Rumi says he was knocking on this door (of liberations) in so much anguish wanting to get in. When the door opened, he realized, he was already inside. Love to all Harsha ===== /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > When we see it, we see that Reality is always here and > now. > > Whether concepts are there or not, words are there or > not, perception is there or not, the Hereness is > alwasy here. > > Sometimes Buddhists say that Samsara is Nirvana and > Advaitins say that the Brahman/Self is the World. > > Rumi says he was knocking on this door (of > liberations) in so much anguish wanting to get in. > When the door opened, he realized, he was already > inside. > > Love to all > Harsha > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. Look around you walking down the street, and what do you see? Businessmen, lawyers, children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, shops, restaurants, pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the sky. All of these things are being created and recreated in a timeless instant. A car has never been manufactured by some company with workers, a car appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a history track of the car that makes it appear to have been created during a certain period of time, but behold what may be the case! The car *and* the history track appear simultaneously in this very instant! This means there are no people doing anything, there is no gradual development of manufactured things or organic beings. Everything is a Totality manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. Creation takes *zero* seconds. /AL > > ===== > /join > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > > When we see it, we see that Reality is always here and > > now. > > > > Whether concepts are there or not, words are there or > > not, perception is there or not, the Hereness is > > alwasy here. > > > > Sometimes Buddhists say that Samsara is Nirvana and > > Advaitins say that the Brahman/Self is the World. > > > > Rumi says he was knocking on this door (of > > liberations) in so much anguish wanting to get in. > > When the door opened, he realized, he was already > > inside. > > > > Love to all > > Harsha > > > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. Look around you > walking down the street, and what do you see? Businessmen, lawyers, > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, shops, restaurants, > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the sky. All of these > things are being created and recreated in a timeless instant. A car > has never been manufactured by some company with workers, a car > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a history track of the > car that makes it appear to have been created during a certain period > of time, but behold what may be the case! The car *and* the history > track appear simultaneously in this very instant! This means there > are no people doing anything, there is no gradual development of > manufactured things or organic beings. Everything is a Totality > manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. Creation takes > *zero* seconds. > > /AL How does that help you? How does it change what you feel? Are you inmune to suffering and fear? Does the world look more beautiful because you think such thoughts? Don't you have to keep repeating them to believe it? ONly to a completely empty, tranquil mind joy appears. > > > > > ===== > > /join > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > > > When we see it, we see that Reality is always here and > > > now. > > > > > > Whether concepts are there or not, words are there or > > > not, perception is there or not, the Hereness is > > > alwasy here. > > > > > > Sometimes Buddhists say that Samsara is Nirvana and > > > Advaitins say that the Brahman/Self is the World. > > > > > > Rumi says he was knocking on this door (of > > > liberations) in so much anguish wanting to get in. > > > When the door opened, he realized, he was already > > > inside. > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. Look around you > > walking down the street, and what do you see? Businessmen, lawyers, > > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, shops, restaurants, > > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the sky. All of > these > > things are being created and recreated in a timeless instant. A car > > has never been manufactured by some company with workers, a car > > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a history track of > the > > car that makes it appear to have been created during a certain > period > > of time, but behold what may be the case! The car *and* the history > > track appear simultaneously in this very instant! This means there > > are no people doing anything, there is no gradual development of > > manufactured things or organic beings. Everything is a Totality > > manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. Creation takes > > *zero* seconds. > > > > /AL > > > How does that help you? How does it change what you feel? > Are you inmune to suffering and fear? Does the world look > more beautiful because you think such thoughts? Don't you > have to keep repeating them to believe it? > > ONly to a completely empty, tranquil mind joy appears. Thoughts are the threshold to deeper understanding. The intellect is naive, but understanding often begins in the intellect and is then absorbed and realized by a deeper beingness. Or some bullshit like that. :-) /AL > > > > > > > > ===== > > > /join > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. Look around you > walking down the street, and what do you see? Businessmen, lawyers, > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, shops, restaurants, > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the sky. All of these > things are being created and recreated in a timeless instant. A car > has never been manufactured by some company with workers, a car > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a history track of the > car that makes it appear to have been created during a certain period > of time, but behold what may be the case! The car *and* the history > track appear simultaneously in this very instant! This means there > are no people doing anything, there is no gradual development of > manufactured things or organic beings. Everything is a Totality > manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. Creation takes > *zero* seconds. > > /AL Yes, indeed. And therefore, creation/destruction are one, are instantaneous. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote: > > > When we see it, we see that Reality is always here and > > > now. > > > > > > Whether concepts are there or not, words are there or > > > not, perception is there or not, the Hereness is > > > alwasy here. > > > > > > Sometimes Buddhists say that Samsara is Nirvana and > > > Advaitins say that the Brahman/Self is the World. > > > > > > Rumi says he was knocking on this door (of > > > liberations) in so much anguish wanting to get in. > > > When the door opened, he realized, he was already > > > inside. > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. Look around you > > walking down the street, and what do you see? Businessmen, lawyers, > > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, shops, restaurants, > > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the sky. All of > these > > things are being created and recreated in a timeless instant. A car > > has never been manufactured by some company with workers, a car > > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a history track of > the > > car that makes it appear to have been created during a certain > period > > of time, but behold what may be the case! The car *and* the history > > track appear simultaneously in this very instant! This means there > > are no people doing anything, there is no gradual development of > > manufactured things or organic beings. Everything is a Totality > > manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. Creation takes > > *zero* seconds. > > > > /AL > > > How does that help you? How does it change what you feel? > Are you inmune to suffering and fear? Does the world look > more beautiful because you think such thoughts? Don't you > have to keep repeating them to believe it? > > ONly to a completely empty, tranquil mind joy appears. Good point. I don't believe them for a second. It would take time to believe any of this. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 > Thoughts are the threshold to deeper understanding. The intellect is > naive, but understanding often begins in the intellect and is then > absorbed and realized by a deeper beingness. Or some bullshit like > that. :-) > > /AL Yes, some bullshit like that :-) Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. Look around you > > walking down the street, and what do you see? Businessmen, lawyers, > > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, shops, restaurants, > > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the sky. All of > these > > things are being created and recreated in a timeless instant. A car > > has never been manufactured by some company with workers, a car > > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a history track of > the > > car that makes it appear to have been created during a certain > period > > of time, but behold what may be the case! The car *and* the history > > track appear simultaneously in this very instant! This means there > > are no people doing anything, there is no gradual development of > > manufactured things or organic beings. Everything is a Totality > > manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. Creation takes > > *zero* seconds. > > > > /AL > > Yes, indeed. > > And therefore, creation/destruction are > one, are instantaneous. > > -- Dan But if reality has this awesome power, why do I feel like a small fragment? If I am this Infinite Matrix itself, why do I feel fear. There is something wrong with today's world. Or, rather, the world of today is just a cocoon of fear waiting to be released. Without the cocoon there will be no butterfly. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 --- cerosoul <Pedsie2 wrote: > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Harsha > <harshaimtm> wrote: > > > When we see it, we see that Reality is always > here and > > > now. > > > > > > Whether concepts are there or not, words are > there or > > > not, perception is there or not, the Hereness is > > > alwasy here. > > > > > > Sometimes Buddhists say that Samsara is Nirvana > and > > > Advaitins say that the Brahman/Self is the > World. > > > > > > Rumi says he was knocking on this door (of > > > liberations) in so much anguish wanting to get > in. > > > When the door opened, he realized, he was > already > > > inside. > > > > > > Love to all > > > Harsha > > > > > > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. > Look around you > > walking down the street, and what do you see? > Businessmen, lawyers, > > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, > shops, restaurants, > > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and the > sky. All of > these > > things are being created and recreated in a > timeless instant. A car > > has never been manufactured by some company with > workers, a car > > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a > history track of > the > > car that makes it appear to have been created > during a certain > period > > of time, but behold what may be the case! The car > *and* the history > > track appear simultaneously in this very instant! > This means there > > are no people doing anything, there is no gradual > development of > > manufactured things or organic beings. Everything > is a Totality > > manifesting itself spontaneously in this instant. > Creation takes > > *zero* seconds. > > > > /AL > > > How does that help you? How does it change what you > feel? > Are you inmune to suffering and fear? Does the world > look > more beautiful because you think such thoughts? > Don't you > have to keep repeating them to believe it? > > ONly to a completely empty, tranquil mind joy > appears. > > > > > maybe who knows? love jac > > > ===== > > > > /join > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , > " anders_lindman " > > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. > Look around you > > > walking down the street, and what do you see? > Businessmen, > lawyers, > > > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, > shops, > restaurants, > > > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and > the sky. All of > > these > > > things are being created and recreated in a > timeless instant. A > car > > > has never been manufactured by some company with > workers, a car > > > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a > history track of > > the > > > car that makes it appear to have been created > during a certain > > period > > > of time, but behold what may be the case! The > car *and* the > history > > > track appear simultaneously in this very > instant! This means > there > > > are no people doing anything, there is no > gradual development of > > > manufactured things or organic beings. > Everything is a Totality > > > manifesting itself spontaneously in this > instant. Creation takes > > > *zero* seconds. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Yes, indeed. > > > > And therefore, creation/destruction are > > one, are instantaneous. > > > > -- Dan > > But if reality has this awesome power, why do I feel > like a small > fragment? If I am this Infinite Matrix itself, why > do I feel fear. > There is something wrong with today's world. Or, > rather, the world of > today is just a cocoon of fear waiting to be > released. Without the > cocoon there will be no butterfly. > > /AL > if accepting replaces thinking the fear would be lessened Love Jac > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , jacob mathan <jacmattvm> wrote: > > --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , > > " anders_lindman " > > > > The now is an expression of *instant* creation. > > Look around you > > > > walking down the street, and what do you see? > > Businessmen, > > lawyers, > > > > children, parents, old people, cars, buildings, > > shops, > > restaurants, > > > > pubs, dust, garbage, birds, trees, the sun and > > the sky. All of > > > these > > > > things are being created and recreated in a > > timeless instant. A > > car > > > > has never been manufactured by some company with > > workers, a car > > > > appear *instantly* in the now. Sure, there is a > > history track of > > > the > > > > car that makes it appear to have been created > > during a certain > > > period > > > > of time, but behold what may be the case! The > > car *and* the > > history > > > > track appear simultaneously in this very > > instant! This means > > there > > > > are no people doing anything, there is no > > gradual development of > > > > manufactured things or organic beings. > > Everything is a Totality > > > > manifesting itself spontaneously in this > > instant. Creation takes > > > > *zero* seconds. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Yes, indeed. > > > > > > And therefore, creation/destruction are > > > one, are instantaneous. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > But if reality has this awesome power, why do I feel > > like a small > > fragment? If I am this Infinite Matrix itself, why > > do I feel fear. > > There is something wrong with today's world. Or, > > rather, the world of > > today is just a cocoon of fear waiting to be > > released. Without the > > cocoon there will be no butterfly. > > > > /AL > > if accepting replaces thinking the fear would be > lessened Love Jac > > Yes, accepting that the " me " is _perhaps_ helpless is logical, even to the possibly helpless intellect itself. With the idea that no me is able to do anything comes the idea that Totality is a single movement of wholeness in time and that this movement is controlling itself, that no individal control is possible, and that fear is only a temporary process in this total movement. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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