Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Gentlemen! I said: " if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as perfect equilibrium, what is then? " Somebody answered: " This is it. " ---> Really ? This is it? Paying my taxes is it? Suffering from various health issues is it? Feeling lonely is it? Trying to understand non-duality is it? How is that possible if this should be the perfect equilibrium? Woulnd't perfect equilibrium mean for example: on the one hand illness on the other hand health only then nothing is really happening - equilibrium. But this balance, shouldn't it arise in each and every consciousness? Even more so, if there is only ONE consciousness. If this one consciousness experiences illness, and not health at the same time, then there can't be any equilibrium - meaning there is NOT unity. If illness and health happen at the same time, each 50%, then there is unity. BUT WHY THEN DUALITY ARISES AT ALL, IF THERE IS ANYWAY ONLY ONE. Why isn't that enough? Just ONE, Just UNITY. That's why I ask: Where does the impulse come from, to dualize. Or even, If there really is only one, there cannot be 'energy' to dualize, because 'energy' and 'no-energy' is two sides of the coin. So the 'impulse' needed cannot be there in the first place, because 'in the first place' there is ONE. And an impulse being there would already mean existence of duality - WHICH CAN'T BE - BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE! *** If there is only one, how can there be two? aloha fox (yes, I am the guy who wants to live in Hawaii, or some other hot country with lots of exotic fruits and exuberantly happy non-dual chicks... :-) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> wrote: > Gentlemen! > > I said: > > " if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as > perfect equilibrium, what is then? " > > Somebody answered: > " This is it. " > > > > ---> Really ? This is it? > > Paying my taxes is it? > Suffering from various health issues is it? > Feeling lonely is it? > Trying to understand non-duality is it? > > How is that possible if this should be the perfect equilibrium? > Woulnd't perfect equilibrium mean for example: > on the one hand illness > on the other hand health > > > only then nothing is really happening - equilibrium. > > But this balance, shouldn't it arise in each and every consciousness? > Even more so, if there is only ONE consciousness. > > > > If this one consciousness experiences illness, and not health at the > same time, then there can't be any equilibrium - meaning there is NOT > unity. > > If illness and health happen at the same time, each 50%, then there > is unity. BUT WHY THEN DUALITY ARISES AT ALL, IF THERE IS ANYWAY ONLY > ONE. > > > Why isn't that enough? Just ONE, Just UNITY. > That's why I ask: Where does the impulse come from, to dualize. > Or even, If there really is only one, there cannot be 'energy' to > dualize, because 'energy' and 'no-energy' is two sides of the coin. > > So the 'impulse' needed cannot be there in the first place, because > 'in the first place' there is ONE. > And an impulse being there would already mean existence of duality - > WHICH CAN'T BE - BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE! > > > > *** If there is only one, how can there be two? > > aloha > fox > > (yes, I am the guy who wants to live in Hawaii, or some other hot > country with lots of exotic fruits and exuberantly happy non-dual > chicks... :-) ) Think of the Now as Oneness observing itself. This observing started now. This observing itself creates the observer and the observed. There is no separate observer and no separate things observed. There is only Observing. There never are any two objects other than as appearances in the One Observer. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 see??? it's all a trick of the mind... the mind beholds " one " or it beholds " two " & it makes up all kinds of convoluted complexities w/ which to dazzle & delude u w/... but, that's the trick... all those " things " r just " things " in your mind... they r u... u r that... once u realize that completely & unreservedly, then, u r free... u kick back & smile... ....by the way, if u r into hot tropical islands " with lots of exotic fruits and exuberantly happy non-dual chicks " , check out adi da samraj... he's got his own island in fiji where the chicks there worship him like a god... he's got it going on... yours danananda Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> wrote: > Gentlemen! > > I said: > > " if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as > perfect equilibrium, what is then? " > > Somebody answered: > " This is it. " > > > > ---> Really ? This is it? > > Paying my taxes is it? > Suffering from various health issues is it? > Feeling lonely is it? > Trying to understand non-duality is it? > > How is that possible if this should be the perfect equilibrium? > Woulnd't perfect equilibrium mean for example: > on the one hand illness > on the other hand health > > > only then nothing is really happening - equilibrium. > > But this balance, shouldn't it arise in each and every consciousness? > Even more so, if there is only ONE consciousness. > > > > If this one consciousness experiences illness, and not health at the > same time, then there can't be any equilibrium - meaning there is NOT > unity. > > If illness and health happen at the same time, each 50%, then there > is unity. BUT WHY THEN DUALITY ARISES AT ALL, IF THERE IS ANYWAY ONLY > ONE. > > > Why isn't that enough? Just ONE, Just UNITY. > That's why I ask: Where does the impulse come from, to dualize. > Or even, If there really is only one, there cannot be 'energy' to > dualize, because 'energy' and 'no-energy' is two sides of the coin. > > So the 'impulse' needed cannot be there in the first place, because > 'in the first place' there is ONE. > And an impulse being there would already mean existence of duality - > WHICH CAN'T BE - BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE! > > > > *** If there is only one, how can there be two? > > aloha > fox > > (yes, I am the guy who wants to live in Hawaii, or some other hot > country with lots of exotic fruits and exuberantly happy non-dual > chicks... :-) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > see??? it's all a trick of the mind... the mind beholds " one " or it > beholds " two " & it makes up all kinds of convoluted complexities w/ > which to dazzle & delude u w/... but, that's the trick... all > those " things " r just " things " in your mind... they r u... u r > that... once u realize that completely & unreservedly, then, u r > free... u kick back & smile... > > ...by the way, if u r into hot tropical islands " with lots of exotic > fruits and exuberantly happy non-dual chicks " , check out adi da > samraj... he's got his own island in fiji where the chicks there > worship him like a god... he's got it going on... > > > > yours > > danananda Sure -- the guy on antidepressants whose casualties populate the internet like cherries on a tree. The guy who railed against narcissism in order to dominate all around him, and exempted himself from such scrutiny by calling himself various capitalized names. Sure, that's gonna work. Not. :-) -- Dan > > > Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> > wrote: > > Gentlemen! > > > > I said: > > > > " if 'in the end' everything returns to the source, also known as > > perfect equilibrium, what is then? " > > > > Somebody answered: > > " This is it. " > > > > > > > > ---> Really ? This is it? > > > > Paying my taxes is it? > > Suffering from various health issues is it? > > Feeling lonely is it? > > Trying to understand non-duality is it? > > > > How is that possible if this should be the perfect equilibrium? > > Woulnd't perfect equilibrium mean for example: > > on the one hand illness > > on the other hand health > > > > > > only then nothing is really happening - equilibrium. > > > > But this balance, shouldn't it arise in each and every > consciousness? > > Even more so, if there is only ONE consciousness. > > > > > > > > If this one consciousness experiences illness, and not health at > the > > same time, then there can't be any equilibrium - meaning there is > NOT > > unity. > > > > If illness and health happen at the same time, each 50%, then there > > is unity. BUT WHY THEN DUALITY ARISES AT ALL, IF THERE IS ANYWAY > ONLY > > ONE. > > > > > > Why isn't that enough? Just ONE, Just UNITY. > > That's why I ask: Where does the impulse come from, to dualize. > > Or even, If there really is only one, there cannot be 'energy' to > > dualize, because 'energy' and 'no-energy' is two sides of the coin. > > > > So the 'impulse' needed cannot be there in the first place, because > > 'in the first place' there is ONE. > > And an impulse being there would already mean existence of duality - > > WHICH CAN'T BE - BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE! > > > > > > > > *** If there is only one, how can there be two? > > > > aloha > > fox > > > > (yes, I am the guy who wants to live in Hawaii, or some other hot > > country with lots of exotic fruits and exuberantly happy non-dual > > chicks... :-) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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