Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , jacob mathan <jacmattvm> > wrote: > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , > > > " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Scott > > > Andersen " > > > > <sga_email> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi again Anders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The intellect wants to know facts. But as I > > > see it, the only > > > fact > > > > > > is " I am " , or, rather just " am " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the intellect of 'me' wants to know ( > > > facts, data, > > > knowledge ). > > > > > > > > > > ''*I am*'' is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Scott. > > > > > > > > Ramesh Balsekar use to say: " Who wants to know, my > > > friend. Who > > > wants > > > > to know? " > > > > > > > > A created object wants to know the basis for how > > > the creator > > > subject works > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > That is not possible unless the creator subject > > > makes this > > > > understanding come to the created object. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > When the illusion of any separable > > > consciousness " in " the object dissolves, > > > there is no one to ask the question. > > > > > > No answer is needed. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > hahahahahahahahaha > > Yes! No answers about " who am I? " will be needed. Yet all kinds of > other answers and questions will still be there as a play in the > Kosmic drama. Unless one dissolves into nothing, of course. :-) > > /AL You are already always " dissolved " so to speak, primordially so -- otherwise, none of this could happen. Dissolution and creation are not-two. Nothing happening and the play of everything happening are not-two. To be or not to be, is not the question. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , jacob mathan <jacmattvm> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Scott > > > > Andersen " > > > > > <sga_email> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi again Anders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The intellect wants to know facts. But as I > > > > see it, the only > > > > fact > > > > > > > is " I am " , or, rather just " am " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the intellect of 'me' wants to know ( > > > > facts, data, > > > > knowledge ). > > > > > > > > > > > > ''*I am*'' is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott. > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Balsekar use to say: " Who wants to know, my > > > > friend. Who > > > > wants > > > > > to know? " > > > > > > > > > > A created object wants to know the basis for how > > > > the creator > > > > subject works > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > That is not possible unless the creator subject > > > > makes this > > > > > understanding come to the created object. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > When the illusion of any separable > > > > consciousness " in " the object dissolves, > > > > there is no one to ask the question. > > > > > > > > No answer is needed. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > hahahahahahahahaha > > > > Yes! No answers about " who am I? " will be needed. Yet all kinds of > > other answers and questions will still be there as a play in the > > Kosmic drama. Unless one dissolves into nothing, of course. :-) > > > > /AL > > You are already always " dissolved " so to speak, > primordially so -- otherwise, none of this > could happen. > > Dissolution and creation are not-two. > > Nothing happening and the play of everything > happening are not-two. > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > -- Dan Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not last. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , jacob mathan > <jacmattvm> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Scott > > > > > Andersen " > > > > > > <sga_email> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi again Anders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The intellect wants to know facts. But as I > > > > > see it, the only > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > is " I am " , or, rather just " am " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the intellect of 'me' wants to know ( > > > > > facts, data, > > > > > knowledge ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''*I am*'' is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Balsekar use to say: " Who wants to know, my > > > > > friend. Who > > > > > wants > > > > > > to know? " > > > > > > > > > > > > A created object wants to know the basis for how > > > > > the creator > > > > > subject works > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > That is not possible unless the creator subject > > > > > makes this > > > > > > understanding come to the created object. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the illusion of any separable > > > > > consciousness " in " the object dissolves, > > > > > there is no one to ask the question. > > > > > > > > > > No answer is needed. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > hahahahahahahahaha > > > > > > Yes! No answers about " who am I? " will be needed. Yet all kinds > of > > > other answers and questions will still be there as a play in the > > > Kosmic drama. Unless one dissolves into nothing, of course. :-) > > > > > > /AL > > > > You are already always " dissolved " so to speak, > > primordially so -- otherwise, none of this > > could happen. > > > > Dissolution and creation are not-two. > > > > Nothing happening and the play of everything > > happening are not-two. > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > -- Dan > > Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not last. > > /AL Like a drop of water in the ocean, there is no actual boundary of separation that ever occurred. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , jacob mathan > > <jacmattvm> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , > > > > > > " anders_lindman " > > > > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Scott > > > > > > Andersen " > > > > > > > <sga_email> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi again Anders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The intellect wants to know facts. But as I > > > > > > see it, the only > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > is " I am " , or, rather just " am " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the intellect of 'me' wants to know ( > > > > > > facts, data, > > > > > > knowledge ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''*I am*'' is not a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh Balsekar use to say: " Who wants to know, my > > > > > > friend. Who > > > > > > wants > > > > > > > to know? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A created object wants to know the basis for how > > > > > > the creator > > > > > > subject works > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is not possible unless the creator subject > > > > > > makes this > > > > > > > understanding come to the created object. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the illusion of any separable > > > > > > consciousness " in " the object dissolves, > > > > > > there is no one to ask the question. > > > > > > > > > > > > No answer is needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > hahahahahahahahaha > > > > > > > > Yes! No answers about " who am I? " will be needed. Yet all kinds > > of > > > > other answers and questions will still be there as a play in > the > > > > Kosmic drama. Unless one dissolves into nothing, of course. :- ) > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > You are already always " dissolved " so to speak, > > > primordially so -- otherwise, none of this > > > could happen. > > > > > > Dissolution and creation are not-two. > > > > > > Nothing happening and the play of everything > > > happening are not-two. > > > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not last. > > > > /AL > > Like a drop of water in the ocean, there is no actual > boundary of separation that ever occurred. > > -- Dan People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with the world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so normal that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an ordinary way of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to dissolve in order to become relaxed in all circumstances. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not last. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Like a drop of water in the ocean, there is no actual > > boundary of separation that ever occurred. > > > > -- Dan > > People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with the > world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so normal > that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an ordinary way > of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to dissolve in > order to become relaxed in all circumstances. > > /AL Nothing has to do anything. Just because you imagine yourself as an ice cube, doesn't make anything have to happen. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not last. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Like a drop of water in the ocean, there is no actual > > > boundary of separation that ever occurred. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with the > > world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so normal > > that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an ordinary > way > > of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to dissolve in > > order to become relaxed in all circumstances. > > > > /AL > > Nothing has to do anything. > > Just because you imagine yourself as an ice cube, > doesn't make anything have to happen. > > -- Dan It is not me who is doing the imagining. It is only me doing the imagining if we think of me as Self. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with > the > > > world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so > normal > > > that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an ordinary > > way > > > of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to dissolve > in > > > order to become relaxed in all circumstances. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Nothing has to do anything. > > > > Just because you imagine yourself as an ice cube, > > doesn't make anything have to happen. > > > > -- Dan > > It is not me who is doing the imagining. It is only me doing the > imagining if we think of me as Self. > > /AL If you stop imagining yourself as an ice cube, it won't matter at that point what we think of you as. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 > >Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> >wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not >last. > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > Like a drop of water in the ocean, there is no actual > > > > boundary of separation that ever occurred. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with >the > > > world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so >normal > > > that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an ordinary > > way > > > of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to dissolve >in > > > order to become relaxed in all circumstances. > > > > > > /AL > > > > Nothing has to do anything. > > > > Just because you imagine yourself as an ice cube, > > doesn't make anything have to happen. > > > > -- Dan > >It is not me who is doing the imagining. It is only me doing the >imagining if we think of me as Self. > >/AL Oh, good....now it's all crystal clear :-) RL, FPI..........finite portal of the Infinite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > > > > People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with > > the > > > > world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so > > normal > > > > that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an > ordinary > > > way > > > > of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to > dissolve > > in > > > > order to become relaxed in all circumstances. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Nothing has to do anything. > > > > > > Just because you imagine yourself as an ice cube, > > > doesn't make anything have to happen. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > It is not me who is doing the imagining. It is only me doing the > > imagining if we think of me as Self. > > > > /AL > > If you stop imagining yourself as an ice cube, it > won't matter at that point what we think of you as. > > -- Dan If I stop imagining myself the Self is revealed. :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , RL_FPI@x wrote: > > > > >Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > >wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a block of ice in a warm vast ocean the ego will not > >last. > > > > > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > Like a drop of water in the ocean, there is no actual > > > > > boundary of separation that ever occurred. > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > People, myself included, are like ice cubes trying to cope with > >the > > > > world in a form of a constant struggle. This struggle is so > >normal > > > > that we often don't even see it as a struggle but as an ordinary > > > way > > > > of living. This struggle, this internal conflict has to dissolve > >in > > > > order to become relaxed in all circumstances. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > Nothing has to do anything. > > > > > > Just because you imagine yourself as an ice cube, > > > doesn't make anything have to happen. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > >It is not me who is doing the imagining. It is only me doing the > >imagining if we think of me as Self. > > > >/AL > > Oh, good....now it's all crystal clear :-) Yes, that crystal clear awareness prior to all forms is the home of the selfless. :-) /AL > > RL, FPI..........finite portal of the Infinite > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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