Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Why then suffering? The answer is that infinite Love must rise out of that which is not love in order to be experienced and infinite intelligence want to experience things. If everything is love then love has to forget itself in the form of apparent separation. One of these separations is what we call the Big Bang; unified oneness exploding into a sea of seemingly separate particles that then begin to find its way back to oneness again: this is what we call evolution. So the appearance of separation and fear is a nescessary first step in order for love to experience itself. Love is constantly experiencing itself in the form of an infinite adventure. Don't you know ye are Gods? :-) /AL The big bang is just an idea in the mind...no ? Albeit one with scientific evidence. Separation is also an idea in the mind, but seemingly more real because we are discrete physical entities and seem to be unique individuals with separate identities, thoughts, personalites etc. You say that 'infinite love must arise out of that which is not love.' and I can see this when I look at a starving child from the Sudan. Is this when 'love has forgotten itself' ? as you put it ? ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Nisargadatta , eilean low <eileanlow> wrote: > Why then suffering? The answer is that infinite Love must rise out of > that which is not love in order to be experienced and infinite > intelligence want to experience things. If everything is love then > love has to forget itself in the form of apparent separation. One of > these separations is what we call the Big Bang; unified oneness > exploding into a sea of seemingly separate particles that then begin > to find its way back to oneness again: this is what we call > evolution. So the appearance of separation and fear is a nescessary > first step in order for love to experience itself. Love is constantly > experiencing itself in the form of an infinite adventure. > > Don't you know ye are Gods? :-) > > /AL > > The big bang is just an idea in the mind...no ? Albeit one with scientific evidence. > Separation is also an idea in the mind, but seemingly more real because we are discrete physical entities and seem to be unique individuals with separate identities, thoughts, personalites etc. > You say that 'infinite love must arise out of that which is not love.' and I can see this when I look at a starving child from the Sudan. > Is this when 'love has forgotten itself' ? as you put it ? The starving child you see has never happened and will never happen. There is only NOW. See? Can you see this? When has there been a starving child? Even if you held a starving child in your arms this tiny body would only be a dead history track created now, and your own body would also just be a dead past created now. The world is a _projection_ created NOW. " The world is unreal to the core. " -- N. Maharaj " Let the dead bury the dead. " -- Jesus Christ :-) /AL > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 I think this is taking it too far. Advaita is a methodology for the realisation of one's true identity as a soul, part of the One Life. It doesn't imply that 'I am that'is everything there is to know about the universe or tell you everything about the nature of the Source. To me, it only suggests that the 'I' is part of the source, not all of it, otherwise realised beings would be omniscient which they clearly aren't. Do you think Maharaj took his diagnosis of throat cancer with equanimity ? I bet he didn't, I bet he wished to God he had given up smoking. I bet he wished that every day until the illness killed him. He may have known that the pain was temporary, that it wasn't 'his', but he still had it all the same. Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , eilean low <eileanlow> > wrote: > > Why then suffering? The answer is that infinite Love must rise out > of > > that which is not love in order to be experienced and infinite > > intelligence want to experience things. If everything is love then > > love has to forget itself in the form of apparent separation. One > of > > these separations is what we call the Big Bang; unified oneness > > exploding into a sea of seemingly separate particles that then > begin > > to find its way back to oneness again: this is what we call > > evolution. So the appearance of separation and fear is a nescessary > > first step in order for love to experience itself. Love is > constantly > > experiencing itself in the form of an infinite adventure. > > > > Don't you know ye are Gods? :-) > > > > /AL > > > > The big bang is just an idea in the mind...no ? Albeit one with > scientific evidence. > > Separation is also an idea in the mind, but seemingly more real > because we are discrete physical entities and seem to be unique > individuals with separate identities, thoughts, personalites etc. > > You say that 'infinite love must arise out of that which is not > love.' and I can see this when I look at a starving child from the > Sudan. > > Is this when 'love has forgotten itself' ? as you put it ? > > The starving child you see has never happened and will never happen. > There is only NOW. See? Can you see this? When has there been a > starving child? Even if you held a starving child in your arms this > tiny body would only be a dead history track created now, and your > own body would also just be a dead past created now. The world is a > _projection_ created NOW. > > " The world is unreal to the core. " -- N. Maharaj > > " Let the dead bury the dead. " -- Jesus Christ > > :-) > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express > yourself > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > I think this is taking it too far. Advaita is a methodology for the > realisation of one's true identity as a soul, part of the One Life. > > It doesn't imply that 'I am that'is everything there is to know about > the universe or tell you everything about the nature of the Source. > To me, it only suggests that the 'I' is part of the source, not all > of it, otherwise realised beings would be omniscient which they > clearly aren't. > > > Do you think Maharaj took his diagnosis of throat cancer with > equanimity ? I bet he didn't, I bet he wished to God he had given up > smoking. I bet he wished that every day until the illness killed him. > He may have known that the pain was temporary, that it wasn't 'his', > but he still had it all the same. There never has been a person called Maharaj. Think of the world as a dream. When you dream about meeting a person having cancer, who only exists in the dream an not in the " real " world, would you be impressed if this person took his or her illness with equanimity? This world is only a projection. Every kind of world, be it dream, heaven, hell or earth is just a projection, Maya. The past has never happened. There has never been any Maharaj. There has never been any Maharaj saying: " The world is unreal to the core. " :-) You don't understand what time is. You think there has been a past. But there has never been any past. /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , eilean low <eileanlow> > > wrote: > > > Why then suffering? The answer is that infinite Love must rise > out > > of > > > that which is not love in order to be experienced and infinite > > > intelligence want to experience things. If everything is love > then > > > love has to forget itself in the form of apparent separation. One > > of > > > these separations is what we call the Big Bang; unified oneness > > > exploding into a sea of seemingly separate particles that then > > begin > > > to find its way back to oneness again: this is what we call > > > evolution. So the appearance of separation and fear is a > nescessary > > > first step in order for love to experience itself. Love is > > constantly > > > experiencing itself in the form of an infinite adventure. > > > > > > Don't you know ye are Gods? :-) > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > The big bang is just an idea in the mind...no ? Albeit one with > > scientific evidence. > > > Separation is also an idea in the mind, but seemingly more real > > because we are discrete physical entities and seem to be unique > > individuals with separate identities, thoughts, personalites etc. > > > You say that 'infinite love must arise out of that which is not > > love.' and I can see this when I look at a starving child from the > > Sudan. > > > Is this when 'love has forgotten itself' ? as you put it ? > > > > The starving child you see has never happened and will never > happen. > > There is only NOW. See? Can you see this? When has there been a > > starving child? Even if you held a starving child in your arms this > > tiny body would only be a dead history track created now, and your > > own body would also just be a dead past created now. The world is a > > _projection_ created NOW. > > > > " The world is unreal to the core. " -- N. Maharaj > > > > " Let the dead bury the dead. " -- Jesus Christ > > > > :-) > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express > > yourself > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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