Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 A king was once disturbed by the relative appearance of truth. Being an absolute ruler, he decided to do away with relative truth and to enforce absolute truth by decree. His law was simple. If anyone entered his city and did not tell the absolute truth, they would immediately hang the liar. He was content that he had found the ultimate _expression of truth. Nearby his kingdom lived a mad mystic, who, upon hearing the king's decree, laughed long and hard. He presented himself to the king the next day and said, 'By your decree, today you will hang me for telling this lie.' The king was stunned. He could not hang the madman for then the mystic would have spoken the truth. Nor could the king not hang him, for then the mystic would have lied. The king gave up his kingdom and sat down at the feet of the mystic, to perceive the irrelevancy of relativity. And of absoluteness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Nisargadatta , sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > > A king was once disturbed by the relative appearance of truth. > > Being an absolute ruler, he decided to do away with relative truth and to enforce absolute truth by decree. > > His law was simple. > > If anyone entered his city and did not tell the absolute truth, they would immediately hang the liar. > > He was content that he had found the ultimate _expression of truth. > > Nearby his kingdom lived a mad mystic, who, upon hearing the king's decree, laughed long and hard. > > He presented himself to the king the next day and said, 'By your decree, today you will hang me for telling this lie.' > > The king was stunned. > > He could not hang the madman for then the mystic would have spoken the truth. > > Nor could the king not hang him, for then the mystic would have lied. > > The king gave up his kingdom and sat down at the feet of the mystic, to perceive the irrelevancy of relativity. > > And of absoluteness. Thanks Sandeep. This illustrate not only the irrelevance of such terms, but also how naming things that are not there, and then applying logic to such names creates insolvable problems. Can one tell a lie about a future that is not up to me? Obviously, I can lie about doing something for you tomorrow, that is, if I don't intend to do it at all. But I can't lie about you killing me in the future because that is not up to me. When we talk about something that has not happened yet, we are making a prediction, not stating a fact. So, it's often misnaming which creates the insolvable problem. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 - " cerosoul " <Pedsie2 <Nisargadatta > Monday, June 14, 2004 10:17 PM Re: A king was once disturbed > Nisargadatta , sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > A king was once disturbed by the relative appearance of truth. > > > > Being an absolute ruler, he decided to do away with relative truth > and to enforce absolute truth by decree. > > > > His law was simple. > > > > If anyone entered his city and did not tell the absolute truth, > they would immediately hang the liar. > > > > He was content that he had found the ultimate _expression of truth. > > > > Nearby his kingdom lived a mad mystic, who, upon hearing the king's > decree, laughed long and hard. > > > > He presented himself to the king the next day and said, 'By your > decree, today you will hang me for telling this lie.' > > > > The king was stunned. > > > > He could not hang the madman for then the mystic would have spoken > the truth. > > > > Nor could the king not hang him, for then the mystic would have > lied. > > > > The king gave up his kingdom and sat down at the feet of the > mystic, to perceive the irrelevancy of relativity. > > > > And of absoluteness. > > > Thanks Sandeep. This illustrate not only the irrelevance of such > terms, but also how naming things that are not there, and then > applying logic to such names creates insolvable problems. > Can one tell a lie about a future that is not up to me? > > Obviously, I can lie about doing something for you tomorrow, > that is, if I don't intend to do it at all. But I can't lie about you > killing me in the future because that is not up to me. When we talk > about something that has not happened yet, we are making a > prediction, not stating a fact. So, it's often misnaming which > creates the insolvable problem. > > Pete Yes. All questions, all issues, (and the believed answers) is about a self-created imagery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 - " cerosoul " <Pedsie2 <Nisargadatta > Monday, June 14, 2004 10:17 PM Re: A king was once disturbed > Nisargadatta , sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > A king was once disturbed by the relative appearance of truth. > > > > Being an absolute ruler, he decided to do away with relative truth > and to enforce absolute truth by decree. > > > > His law was simple. > > > > If anyone entered his city and did not tell the absolute truth, > they would immediately hang the liar. > > > > He was content that he had found the ultimate _expression of truth. > > > > Nearby his kingdom lived a mad mystic, who, upon hearing the king's > decree, laughed long and hard. > > > > He presented himself to the king the next day and said, 'By your > decree, today you will hang me for telling this lie.' > > > > The king was stunned. > > > > He could not hang the madman for then the mystic would have spoken > the truth. > > > > Nor could the king not hang him, for then the mystic would have > lied. > > > > The king gave up his kingdom and sat down at the feet of the > mystic, to perceive the irrelevancy of relativity. > > > > And of absoluteness. > > > Thanks Sandeep. This illustrate not only the irrelevance of such > terms, but also how naming things that are not there, and then > applying logic to such names creates insolvable problems. > Can one tell a lie about a future that is not up to me? > > Obviously, I can lie about doing something for you tomorrow, > that is, if I don't intend to do it at all. But I can't lie about you > killing me in the future because that is not up to me. When we talk > about something that has not happened yet, we are making a > prediction, not stating a fact. So, it's often misnaming which > creates the insolvable problem. > > Pete Yes. All questions, all issues, (and the believed answers) is about a self-created imagery. And it is the nature of creative imagination to identify itself with its creations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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