Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Nisarga said: " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. I am never out of it. Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? fox *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 " I understand all that. I think those are wonderful observations, but it seems to me that there's also a transcendence of that body that can occur, where the body can almost become irrelevant. You look at Ramana and Nisargadatta when they had cancer. They were free, they were unrelated to what the body is. It would seem to me that there is a possibility of becoming free without having to integrate with the body, but somehow to become essentially free of the body. Wayne> That notion is the fantasy of the ego because it posits someone who is free of the body. In those organisms, that identified authoring me was not present in those bodies. >> It's more like body and mind dropped off, or the body sort of not being an issue. Wayne> I wouldn't say that. I would say that it is a phenomenal issue. So when Maharaj was asked, " Are you in great pain? " he said, " There is great pain. " The great pain is there. It wasn't mitigating or saying, " Oh, I have transcended the great pain, " but " there is great pain " as a pointer to the fact that phenomenally all of that stuff still is very, very potent. There is a state where the rivers and mountains are not rivers and mountains – the manifest is separate and illusory from me. " http://advaita.org/transcriptions/Wayne_08.30.03.htm Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> wrote: > Nisarga said: > > " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, > motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; > a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. > I am never out of it. > Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " > > > > *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been > tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? > > fox > *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 " ....the existence of his body and the world appears appears to the Jnani as an illusion, which he cannot remove, but which no longer deceives him. " In other words fox, if u cut off his finger he would feel it, but he is not identified with the body....not sucked into the dream state again. one might be on stage for a while, being tortured, in calamity but there is awareness of the actor upon the stage...a jnani is not identified with or fooled by it. - " ultrafeeltrance " <feel <Nisargadatta > Friday, June 18, 2004 10:35 PM Even torture cannot assail the awakened state ? > Nisarga said: > > " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, > motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; > a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. > I am never out of it. > Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " > > > > *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been > tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? > > fox > *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 - " ultrafeeltrance " <feel <Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:05 AM Even torture cannot assail the awakened state ? > Nisarga said: > > " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, > motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; > a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. > I am never out of it. > Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " > > > > *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been > tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? > > fox > *** By the term " me " in the " To me nothing ever happens " ,....................the biological object labeled Nisargadatta was not being referred. The biological organism , whether labeled by an audience as a " sage " or a " bum " , will respond to pain, maybe with differential tolerance but in essence, in the same manner. Or haul its notional ass with the same rapidity, to the safety of the pavement when finding itself on the path of an oncoming bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > - > " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> > <Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:05 AM > Even torture cannot assail the awakened state ? > > > > Nisarga said: > > > > " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, > > motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; > > a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. > > I am never out of it. > > Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " > > > > > > > > *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been > > tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? > > > > fox > > *** > > > > By the term " me " in the " To me nothing ever happens " ,....................the biological object labeled Nisargadatta was not being referred. > > The biological organism , whether labeled by an audience as a " sage " or a " bum " , will respond to pain, maybe with differential tolerance but in essence, in the same manner. > > Or haul its notional ass with the same rapidity, to the safety of the pavement when finding itself on the path of an oncoming bus. > > Maybe by saying " To me nothing ever happens " Nisargadatta meant that his real Self was timeless awareness. To timeless awareness nothing happens. This does not mean that timeless awareness cannot enjoy the body and the mind, but it means that his real being was atually niether body nor mind, but the timeless awareness being aware of the body/mind/world. Timeless awareness does not change and is untouched by aging, decay, creation, thoughts and feelings even though it is aware of all these " things " while itself being neti-neti (not that, not that). /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 - " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman <Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:07 PM Re: Even torture cannot assail the awakened state ? > Nisargadatta , " sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > > - > > " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:05 AM > > Even torture cannot assail the awakened > state ? > > > > > > > Nisarga said: > > > > > > " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, > > > motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; > > > a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. > > > I am never out of it. > > > Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been > > > tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? > > > > > > fox > > > *** > > > > > > > > By the term " me " in the " To me nothing ever > happens " ,....................the biological object labeled > Nisargadatta was not being referred. > > > > The biological organism , whether labeled by an audience as > a " sage " or a " bum " , will respond to pain, maybe with differential > tolerance but in essence, in the same manner. > > > > Or haul its notional ass with the same rapidity, to the safety of > the pavement when finding itself on the path of an oncoming bus. > > > > > > Maybe by saying " To me nothing ever happens " Nisargadatta meant that > his real Self was timeless awareness. To timeless awareness nothing > happens. This does not mean that timeless awareness cannot enjoy the > body and the mind, but it means that his real being was atually > niether body nor mind, but the timeless awareness being aware of the > body/mind/world. Timeless awareness does not change and is untouched > by aging, decay, creation, thoughts and feelings even though it is > aware of all these " things " while itself being neti-neti (not that, > not that). > > /AL To me, nothing happens. And everything that happens, is because of me. Akin the ado, the grand pathos and ethos, the drama of your last night-sleep-dream that happened because of you, while you were sound asleep in a 4 X 6 cot. Now call me,.......... as ME, or I, or I-I, or I-I-I, or self, or SELF, or Consciousness, or Timeless Awareness, or Bozo, or Gizmo, ....... .......take your pick. They are just different keys of a key-board struck in different sequences. Or various sounds uttered, in another medium of communication. For awareness,............ being all that is, ..........neither " time " , nor " timeless " has a meaning or relevance. For awareness,........ being all that is, even awareness has no meaning, no relevance. For All-That-IS, ................nothing being apart or separate, ........ .........for all-that-is, ................even " all-that-Is " ,........ has no meaning, no relevance. Now relax Anders and smoke a Cohiba.:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > - > " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> > <Nisargadatta > > Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:07 PM > Re: Even torture cannot assail the awakened state ? > > > > Nisargadatta , " sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:05 AM > > > Even torture cannot assail the awakened > > state ? > > > > > > > > > > Nisarga said: > > > > > > > > " To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, > > > > motionless, immovable, rock-like, unassailable; > > > > a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. > > > > I am never out of it. > > > > Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Now, does he really mean this? If Nisarga would have been > > > > tortured, woulnd't he 'get sucked in into our dream state' again? > > > > > > > > fox > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > By the term " me " in the " To me nothing ever > > happens " ,....................the biological object labeled > > Nisargadatta was not being referred. > > > > > > The biological organism , whether labeled by an audience as > > a " sage " or a " bum " , will respond to pain, maybe with differential > > tolerance but in essence, in the same manner. > > > > > > Or haul its notional ass with the same rapidity, to the safety of > > the pavement when finding itself on the path of an oncoming bus. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe by saying " To me nothing ever happens " Nisargadatta meant that > > his real Self was timeless awareness. To timeless awareness nothing > > happens. This does not mean that timeless awareness cannot enjoy the > > body and the mind, but it means that his real being was atually > > niether body nor mind, but the timeless awareness being aware of the > > body/mind/world. Timeless awareness does not change and is untouched > > by aging, decay, creation, thoughts and feelings even though it is > > aware of all these " things " while itself being neti-neti (not that, > > not that). > > > > /AL > > > To me, nothing happens. > > And everything that happens, is because of me. > > Akin the ado, the grand pathos and ethos, the drama of your last night-sleep-dream that happened because of you, while you were sound asleep in a 4 X 6 cot. > > > > Now call me,.......... as ME, or I, or I-I, or I-I-I, > > or self, or SELF, or Consciousness, or Timeless Awareness, > > or Bozo, or Gizmo, ....... > > ......take your pick. > > They are just different keys of a key-board struck in different sequences. > > Or various sounds uttered, in another medium of communication. > > > For awareness,............ being all that is, ..........neither " time " , nor " timeless " has a meaning or relevance. > > > For awareness,........ being all that is, even awareness has no meaning, no relevance. > > > For All-That-IS, ................nothing being apart or separate, ........ > > ........for all-that-is, ................even " all-that- Is " ,........ has no meaning, no relevance. > > > > > > Now relax Anders and smoke a Cohiba.:-) That was a good description of the absolute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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