Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 AL, you said: " But the relaxing into everything *is* the heading towards peace and that aliveness. If I stay tense and contracted in body and mind all the time I will remain in that not so enjoyable state. So there must be a change happening in me. The iceberg called the ego must melt. This is the pain body Eckhart Tolle talks about. And this is the ego contraction in the body Ken Wilber talks about. So a deep, deep relaxing must happen in one's entire body/mind/world. " *** And what if this relaxing never happens during your physical life? Isn't something clearly aware of that? I understand that this 'something' is the 'importang thing'...? What do you guys think? I have to deal with the probable fact that I will never recover from my chronic fatiuge syndrome anymore. Still, I can see that, and hence I am awareness and NOT my sick body. The body is just a temporary appearance! (??) aloha fox *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ultrafeeltrance " <feel@f...> wrote: > AL, you said: > > " But the relaxing into everything *is* the heading towards peace and > that aliveness. If I stay tense and contracted in body and mind all > the time I will remain in that not so enjoyable state. So there must > be a change happening in me. The iceberg called the ego must melt. > This is the pain body Eckhart Tolle talks about. And this is the ego > contraction in the body Ken Wilber talks about. So a deep, deep > relaxing must happen in one's entire body/mind/world. " > > *** > And what if this relaxing never happens during your physical > life? > > Isn't something clearly aware of that? > > I understand that this 'something' is the 'importang thing'...? > > What do you guys think? > > > I have to deal with the probable fact that I will never > recover from my chronic fatiuge syndrome anymore. > > Still, I can see that, and hence I am awareness and NOT > my sick body. > The body is just a temporary appearance! (??) > > > aloha > fox > *** The thought " I may never be able to relax body and mind " is a part of the contraction, a part of the pain body as Eckhart Tolle calls it. I believe the recognition of the contration in one's own being is the first step to see that this ego construct is just a conflict between a " me " and everything else. Either I have free will, and then I can try to relax this conflict myself, I may or may not succeed. Or I have no free will and the conflict will be resolved automatically or not. Time will tell. " Tell me who You are that have a form so terrible. I prostrate before You, most excellent among Gods, be merciful. I desire to know You, the Fundamental Spirit, for I do not understand what You have performed. " Sri Bhagavan said: " I am Time, the destroyer of worlds, matured, and occupied now in destroying the world. Even were you not here, all the worriors, standing variously arrayed in the different armies, shall be no more. " " Therefore, arise and obtain glory. Conquering your enemies, enjoy a flourishing kingdom. I Myself have already killed these earlier. Become mererly the instrument [nimittamatram], O Savyasacin [Arjuna]. " From the Bhagavadgita This final battle is in ourselves. The ego has already been conquered by Time. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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