Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 This is dedicated to Anders Can a fly understand glass? I have seen it happening again and again, a fly butting against a windowpane. I have yet to see a fly think, " aha! This is going to kill me. I have done this before with no results, I think I will give up " . That would amount to a fly genius, a realized fly. But, are not we flies when it comes to reality. Are not we trying to think our way through it? Are not we trying to understanding it, again, and again. What a dumb bunch of flies! It's glass stupid, not air! Stop bumping your head! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > This is dedicated to Anders > > Can a fly understand glass? I have seen it happening again and again, > a fly butting against a windowpane. I have yet to see a fly > think, " aha! > This is going to kill me. I have done this before with no results, I > think > I will give up " . That would amount to a fly genius, a realized fly. > But, are not we flies when it comes to reality. Are not we trying to > think our way through it? Are not we trying to understanding it, > again, and again. What a dumb bunch of flies! It's glass stupid, not > air! > Stop bumping your head! > > Pete The intellect (my ego) will not let go. So many Sages have said. And I am starting to believe them. :-) I put my faith in Time. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > This is dedicated to Anders > > > > Can a fly understand glass? I have seen it happening again and > again, > > a fly butting against a windowpane. I have yet to see a fly > > think, " aha! > > This is going to kill me. I have done this before with no results, > I > > think > > I will give up " . That would amount to a fly genius, a realized fly. > > But, are not we flies when it comes to reality. Are not we trying to > > think our way through it? Are not we trying to understanding it, > > again, and again. What a dumb bunch of flies! It's glass stupid, > not > > air! > > Stop bumping your head! > > > > Pete > > The intellect (my ego) will not let go. So many Sages have said. And > I am starting to believe them. :-) I put my faith in Time. > > /AL More like your beliefs won't let you, but which are the ones fueling these restless speculations? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > This is dedicated to Anders > > > > > > Can a fly understand glass? I have seen it happening again and > > again, > > > a fly butting against a windowpane. I have yet to see a fly > > > think, " aha! > > > This is going to kill me. I have done this before with no > results, > > I > > > think > > > I will give up " . That would amount to a fly genius, a realized > fly. > > > But, are not we flies when it comes to reality. Are not we trying > to > > > think our way through it? Are not we trying to understanding it, > > > again, and again. What a dumb bunch of flies! It's glass stupid, > > not > > > air! > > > Stop bumping your head! > > > > > > Pete > > > > The intellect (my ego) will not let go. So many Sages have said. > And > > I am starting to believe them. :-) I put my faith in Time. > > > > /AL > > More like your beliefs won't let you, but which are the ones fueling > these restless speculations? > > Pete I see clearly that my ideas about time is a cloud draining me of energy. So when I say that I put my faith in Time this means that I hope Time will dissolve my cloud of 'time' which is an ego construct. " Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge, which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution. When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation in the mind. " -- J. Krishnamurti /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2004 Report Share Posted June 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > > wrote: > > > > This is dedicated to Anders > > > > > > > > Can a fly understand glass? I have seen it happening again and > > > again, > > > > a fly butting against a windowpane. I have yet to see a fly > > > > think, " aha! > > > > This is going to kill me. I have done this before with no > > results, > > > I > > > > think > > > > I will give up " . That would amount to a fly genius, a realized > > fly. > > > > But, are not we flies when it comes to reality. Are not we > trying > > to > > > > think our way through it? Are not we trying to understanding it, > > > > again, and again. What a dumb bunch of flies! It's glass > stupid, > > > not > > > > air! > > > > Stop bumping your head! > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > The intellect (my ego) will not let go. So many Sages have said. > > And > > > I am starting to believe them. :-) I put my faith in Time. > > > > > > /AL > > > > More like your beliefs won't let you, but which are the ones > fueling > > these restless speculations? > > > > Pete > > I see clearly that my ideas about time is a cloud draining me of > energy. So when I say that I put my faith in Time this means that I > hope Time will dissolve my cloud of 'time' which is an ego construct. Dream on. Your ideas about time are simply distractions to avoid taking a good look into what's really bothering you. There is no time as an agency outside of your brain that could bring order by its mere passage. It's up to you, you could keep on playing with your mental toys, or take a good look at the toys and the game you play. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > > > wrote: > > > > > This is dedicated to Anders > > > > > > > > > > Can a fly understand glass? I have seen it happening again > and > > > > again, > > > > > a fly butting against a windowpane. I have yet to see a fly > > > > > think, " aha! > > > > > This is going to kill me. I have done this before with no > > > results, > > > > I > > > > > think > > > > > I will give up " . That would amount to a fly genius, a > realized > > > fly. > > > > > But, are not we flies when it comes to reality. Are not we > > trying > > > to > > > > > think our way through it? Are not we trying to understanding > it, > > > > > again, and again. What a dumb bunch of flies! It's glass > > stupid, > > > > not > > > > > air! > > > > > Stop bumping your head! > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > The intellect (my ego) will not let go. So many Sages have > said. > > > And > > > > I am starting to believe them. :-) I put my faith in Time. > > > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > More like your beliefs won't let you, but which are the ones > > fueling > > > these restless speculations? > > > > > > Pete > > > > I see clearly that my ideas about time is a cloud draining me of > > energy. So when I say that I put my faith in Time this means that I > > hope Time will dissolve my cloud of 'time' which is an ego > construct. > > Dream on. Your ideas about time are simply distractions to avoid > taking a good look into what's really bothering you. There is no > time as an agency outside of your brain that could bring order by its > mere passage. It's up to you, you could keep on playing with your > mental toys, or take a good look at the toys and the game you play. > > Pete There is time and there is Time. What I mean by 'time' is thoughts about past and future, and what I mean by 'Time' is the change in this moment, which means that 'Time' embraces and includes 'time', but 'Time' may eventually destroy 'time' in an individual. Again I quote J. Krishnamurti: " Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge, which are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological evolution. When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation in the mind. " I think what Krishnamurti says is logical and that this timeless insight could happen in an individual. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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