deep, radical mutation (was: To: Anders. What is the ego?)

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When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will

see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and

the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover

that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure

observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of

time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation in

the mind. "

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yeah. Like totally....

like radically awesome deep total transformation...

 

and thought can still continue

 

it is just different somehow

 

it becomes more a shadow

not the " ding-an-sich " (thing in itself)

 

the same can be said of attention...

before transformation attention

after transformation attention

 

but after it is different somehow

 

before everything is very " self-conscious "

after nothing is

 

all the same things can happen...

thought/attention/desire etc etc

 

but they become empty/wraith-like

 

they become silent, hollow

like the wind rustling through leaves

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

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anders_lindman

Nisargadatta

Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:13 AM

Re: Anders. What is the ego?

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Scott Andersen "

<sga_email> wrote:

>

> Hi again Anders,

>

 

....

 

>

> Yes, everything is a spontaneous arising in the whole.

>

> There are no separate happenings in the unity.

>

> It is meaningless to talk of 'A' restricted singular causation.

>

> As a ME is DOing it arises as an event within the whole.

>

> What we call 'free will' is both the arising as choice or action of

a

> being and the event within the unity as it's functioning.

> There is no contradiction between these 'two', they are one thing

> only, described differently.

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Scott.

 

Free will is the idea that there is a separate doer doing something,

and as long as this idea is there then there *is* a separate doer

doing something, at least the experience of being a separate doer.

 

But I suspect that free will is only an automatic process based on

the past and that this process is not really needed. The ego is not

really needed.

 

I think J Krishnamurti had a point when he said:

 

" Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge, which

are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological

enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time, so

man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so we

live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological

evolution.

 

When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will

see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and

the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover

that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure

observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of

time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation in

the mind. "

 

/AL

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...>

wrote:

> When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will

> see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and

> the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover

> that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure

> observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of

> time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation

in

> the mind. "

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

> Yeah. Like totally....

> like radically awesome deep total transformation...

>

> and thought can still continue

>

> it is just different somehow

>

> it becomes more a shadow

> not the " ding-an-sich " (thing in itself)

>

> the same can be said of attention...

> before transformation attention

> after transformation attention

>

> but after it is different somehow

>

> before everything is very " self-conscious "

> after nothing is

>

> all the same things can happen...

> thought/attention/desire etc etc

>

> but they become empty/wraith-like

>

> they become silent, hollow

> like the wind rustling through leaves

>

>

> Bill

 

Hi Bill,

 

It sounds like you have touched something beyond the thinking mind!

 

/AL

 

>

>

>

>

> -

> anders_lindman

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, June 27, 2004 9:13 AM

> Re: Anders. What is the ego?

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Scott Andersen "

> <sga_email> wrote:

> >

> > Hi again Anders,

> >

>

> ...

>

> >

> > Yes, everything is a spontaneous arising in the whole.

> >

> > There are no separate happenings in the unity.

> >

> > It is meaningless to talk of 'A' restricted singular causation.

> >

> > As a ME is DOing it arises as an event within the whole.

> >

> > What we call 'free will' is both the arising as choice or action

of

> a

> > being and the event within the unity as it's functioning.

> > There is no contradiction between these 'two', they are one thing

> > only, described differently.

> >

> > Kind Regards,

> >

> > Scott.

>

> Free will is the idea that there is a separate doer doing

something,

> and as long as this idea is there then there *is* a separate doer

> doing something, at least the experience of being a separate doer.

>

> But I suspect that free will is only an automatic process based on

> the past and that this process is not really needed. The ego is not

> really needed.

>

> I think J Krishnamurti had a point when he said:

>

> " Thought is time. Thought is born of experience and knowledge,

which

> are inseparable from time and the past. Time is the psychological

> enemy of man. Our action is based on knowledge and therefore time,

so

> man is always a slave to the past. Thought is ever-limited and so

we

> live in constant conflict and struggle. There is no psychological

> evolution.

>

> When man becomes aware of the movement of his own thoughts, he will

> see the division between the thinker and thought, the observer and

> the observed, the experiencer and the experience. He will discover

> that this division is an illusion. Then only is there pure

> observation which is insight without any shadow of the past or of

> time. This timeless insight brings about a deep, radical mutation

in

> the mind. "

>

> /AL

>

>

>

>

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