Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Internal Mental Processes Any internal mental process that is consciously observable is unreal. Recognizing the unrealness of such a process loosens its grip and it dissolves. It is the process of attention that creates the indirect phenomenal *appearance* of an observable internal mental process. [1] It is when attention is " constricted " that such processes of attention (seem to) occur. [2] Note that the prospect of completely relaxing attention can bring forth conscious fear. Faith is the courage to relax attention in the face of such fear. The complete relaxation of attention is the complete expansion of attention. When attention is fully expanded then attention -- which is consciousness -- merges with awareness. Prior to such merging attention wanders as a " nomadic " process within the vast domain of awareness. Such wandering is the " journey of the ego " . When attention expands and merges with awareness the appearance of an ego disappears. The merging of consciousness and awareness is beyond both. Notes: [1] Attention ceases to obsess with what is deemed as unreal, hence the " dissolving " . [2] It is the very constriction of attention as if " to " some thing (process or object) that creates the *appearance* of something as phenomenally existent. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > Internal Mental Processes > > Any internal mental process that is consciously > observable is unreal. > > Recognizing the unrealness of such a process > loosens its grip and it dissolves. > > It is the process of attention that creates the > indirect phenomenal *appearance* of an observable > internal mental process. [1] > > It is when attention is " constricted " that such > processes of attention (seem to) occur. [2] > > Note that the prospect of completely relaxing > attention can bring forth conscious fear. > > Faith is the courage to relax attention in the > face of such fear. > > The complete relaxation of attention is the > complete expansion of attention. > > When attention is fully expanded then attention > -- which is consciousness -- merges with awareness. > > Prior to such merging attention wanders as a > " nomadic " process within the vast domain of > awareness. Such wandering is the " journey of the > ego " . When attention expands and merges with > awareness the appearance of an ego disappears. > > The merging of consciousness and awareness is > beyond both. > > > > > Notes: > [1] Attention ceases to obsess with what is > deemed as unreal, hence the " dissolving " . > > [2] It is the very constriction of attention > as if " to " some thing (process or object) that > creates the *appearance* of something as > phenomenally existent. > > > > Bill > > I like the concept of nomadic process as a description of the ego. The ego is not really a " thing " , but rather a process. There is a struggle within this process to uphold itself as permanent, but I cannot see that it actually is permanent. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Dear Bill, Sounds really interesting. Can you maybe explain what you meant with " unreal " . What does that mean ? Thanks Werner Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > Internal Mental Processes > > Any internal mental process that is consciously > observable is unreal. > > Recognizing the unrealness of such a process > loosens its grip and it dissolves. > > It is the process of attention that creates the > indirect phenomenal *appearance* of an observable > internal mental process. [1] > > It is when attention is " constricted " that such > processes of attention (seem to) occur. [2] > > Note that the prospect of completely relaxing > attention can bring forth conscious fear. > > Faith is the courage to relax attention in the > face of such fear. > > The complete relaxation of attention is the > complete expansion of attention. > > When attention is fully expanded then attention > -- which is consciousness -- merges with awareness. > > Prior to such merging attention wanders as a > " nomadic " process within the vast domain of > awareness. Such wandering is the " journey of the > ego " . When attention expands and merges with > awareness the appearance of an ego disappears. > > The merging of consciousness and awareness is > beyond both. > > > > > Notes: > [1] Attention ceases to obsess with what is > deemed as unreal, hence the " dissolving " . > > [2] It is the very constriction of attention > as if " to " some thing (process or object) that > creates the *appearance* of something as > phenomenally existent. > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 By " unreal " I mean a mere creation of the mind, which in effect -- as I indicate in my post -- is a creation of the attention process. Internal mental phenomena can seem very real, which is why we can obsess with them. They can seem more real *to us* than a chair in the room. In reality we are only witnessing an indirect reflection of our own obsession with ... our obsession reflected! Hence, we are really in the very position of Narcissus. Bill - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Friday, July 02, 2004 2:23 PM Re: Internal Mental Processes Dear Bill, Sounds really interesting. Can you maybe explain what you meant with " unreal " . What does that mean ? Thanks Werner Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > Internal Mental Processes > > Any internal mental process that is consciously > observable is unreal. > > Recognizing the unrealness of such a process > loosens its grip and it dissolves. > > It is the process of attention that creates the > indirect phenomenal *appearance* of an observable > internal mental process. [1] > > It is when attention is " constricted " that such > processes of attention (seem to) occur. [2] > > Note that the prospect of completely relaxing > attention can bring forth conscious fear. > > Faith is the courage to relax attention in the > face of such fear. > > The complete relaxation of attention is the > complete expansion of attention. > > When attention is fully expanded then attention > -- which is consciousness -- merges with awareness. > > Prior to such merging attention wanders as a > " nomadic " process within the vast domain of > awareness. Such wandering is the " journey of the > ego " . When attention expands and merges with > awareness the appearance of an ego disappears. > > The merging of consciousness and awareness is > beyond both. > > > > > Notes: > [1] Attention ceases to obsess with what is > deemed as unreal, hence the " dissolving " . > > [2] It is the very constriction of attention > as if " to " some thing (process or object) that > creates the *appearance* of something as > phenomenally existent. > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Ah, thanks Bill, I am already so familiar with that crap my mind is producing that most of the time I realize that what those thoughts are spinning is not true and I think that " not true " is what you meant with " unreal " . As I can see that the whole thing what you wrote is what is also called " letting go " and it really deepens the understanding of it. What you wrote is (at least for me) very helpful - thanks for that. Werner Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > By " unreal " I mean a mere creation of the mind, > which in effect -- as I indicate in my post -- is a > creation of the attention process. > > Internal mental phenomena can seem very real, > which is why we can obsess with them. They can > seem more real *to us* than a chair in the room. > > In reality we are only witnessing an indirect reflection > of our own obsession with ... our obsession reflected! > Hence, we are really in the very position of Narcissus. > > Bill > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Friday, July 02, 2004 2:23 PM > Re: Internal Mental Processes > > > Dear Bill, > > Sounds really interesting. > > Can you maybe explain what you meant with " unreal " . What does that > mean ? > > Thanks > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > > > Internal Mental Processes > > > > Any internal mental process that is consciously > > observable is unreal. > > > > Recognizing the unrealness of such a process > > loosens its grip and it dissolves. > > > > It is the process of attention that creates the > > indirect phenomenal *appearance* of an observable > > internal mental process. [1] > > > > It is when attention is " constricted " that such > > processes of attention (seem to) occur. [2] > > > > Note that the prospect of completely relaxing > > attention can bring forth conscious fear. > > > > Faith is the courage to relax attention in the > > face of such fear. > > > > The complete relaxation of attention is the > > complete expansion of attention. > > > > When attention is fully expanded then attention > > -- which is consciousness -- merges with awareness. > > > > Prior to such merging attention wanders as a > > " nomadic " process within the vast domain of > > awareness. Such wandering is the " journey of the > > ego " . When attention expands and merges with > > awareness the appearance of an ego disappears. > > > > The merging of consciousness and awareness is > > beyond both. > > > > > > > > > > Notes: > > [1] Attention ceases to obsess with what is > > deemed as unreal, hence the " dissolving " . > > > > [2] It is the very constriction of attention > > as if " to " some thing (process or object) that > > creates the *appearance* of something as > > phenomenally existent. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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