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Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Nisargadatta , Mast Girl <mastteddy> wrote: > Learning is good, but we have also to be able to meet every moment both with knowledge and without knowledge. To meet a situation without knowledge does not mean to be still inwardly and outwardly and not respond. To meet a situation without knowledge is to act in union with what presents itself effortlessly. Then you and the situation become one single movement. If you try to meet a new situation with only knowledge then you will become like a dry tree in a storm and will easily break apart. Knowledge all by itself is static data and can only respond to the freshness in the live moment in restricted ways. So knowledge itself is robotlike, stiff and final. If you let knowledge be your only guide you will experience all that knowledge cannot handle as negative uncertainty. Knowledge invariably breeds insecurity because it is inherent in the very static structure of knowledge. So, one practice is to go into that insecurity, that experienced lack of understanding and control the intellect finds itself in and to stay there and see what happens. :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 That was a mind turner of a reply ..glad you ended it with a :-) . Anders i try to meet every moment with Innocence (often i fail) . When you are ready the universe always brings you what you need to know, y try to steer a river...am i wrong? Regards M anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: Nisargadatta , Mast Girl <mastteddy> wrote: > Learning is good, but we have also to be able to meet every moment both with knowledge and without knowledge. To meet a situation without knowledge does not mean to be still inwardly and outwardly and not respond. To meet a situation without knowledge is to act in union with what presents itself effortlessly. Then you and the situation become one single movement. If you try to meet a new situation with only knowledge then you will become like a dry tree in a storm and will easily break apart. Knowledge all by itself is static data and can only respond to the freshness in the live moment in restricted ways. So knowledge itself is robotlike, stiff and final. If you let knowledge be your only guide you will experience all that knowledge cannot handle as negative uncertainty. Knowledge invariably breeds insecurity because it is inherent in the very static structure of knowledge. So, one practice is to go into that insecurity, that experienced lack of understanding and control the intellect finds itself in and to stay there and see what happens. :-) /AL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Nisargadatta , Masti <mastteddy> wrote: > That was a mind turner of a reply ..glad you ended it with a :-) . > Anders i try to meet every moment with Innocence (often i fail) . When you are ready the universe always brings you what you need to know, y try to steer a river...am i wrong? > Regards > M What do you mean by Innocence, do you mean that in yourself you are helpless so that you surrender completely to the situation at hand as it is? Maybe you fail because by trying to meet a situation in a certain way you create a double illusion; for example, let's say that you meet some new people and you want to behave in a kind way. The first illusion is the belief that by trying to be kind you will actually *be* kind. When you try to be something then it means that you in fact are not that way in reality and that you must pretend, you must put up a mask of self-created kindness. This is not natural kindness. Natural kindness automatically overflows. The second illusion is that there is a 'you' to put a mask of kindness on in the first place. So, trying to do something creates a double illusion, and if you try to meet every situation with Innocence it means that there is something in you not trusting that the Innocence is there already in you to begin with. /AL > anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Mast Girl <mastteddy> wrote: > > > > Learning is good, but we have also to be able to meet every moment > both with knowledge and without knowledge. To meet a situation > without knowledge does not mean to be still inwardly and outwardly > and not respond. To meet a situation without knowledge is to act in > union with what presents itself effortlessly. Then you and the > situation become one single movement. If you try to meet a new > situation with only knowledge then you will become like a dry tree in > a storm and will easily break apart. Knowledge all by itself is > static data and can only respond to the freshness in the live moment > in restricted ways. So knowledge itself is robotlike, stiff and > final. If you let knowledge be your only guide you will experience > all that knowledge cannot handle as negative uncertainty. Knowledge > invariably breeds insecurity because it is inherent in the very > static structure of knowledge. > > So, one practice is to go into that insecurity, that experienced lack > of understanding and control the intellect finds itself in and to > stay there and see what happens. :-) > > /AL > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Masti <mastteddy> wrote: > > That was a mind turner of a reply ..glad you ended it with a :- ) . > > Anders i try to meet every moment with Innocence (often i fail) . > When you are ready the universe always brings you what you need to > know, y try to steer a river...am i wrong? > > Regards > > M > > What do you mean by Innocence, do you mean that in yourself you are > helpless so that you surrender completely to the situation at hand as > it is? Maybe you fail because by trying to meet a situation in a > certain way you create a double illusion; for example, let's say that > you meet some new people and you want to behave in a kind way. The > first illusion is the belief that by trying to be kind you will > actually *be* kind. When you try to be something then it means that > you in fact are not that way in reality and that you must pretend, > you must put up a mask of self-created kindness. This is not natural > kindness. Natural kindness automatically overflows. The second > illusion is that there is a 'you' to put a mask of kindness on in the > first place. So, trying to do something creates a double illusion, > and if you try to meet every situation with Innocence it means that > there is something in you not trusting that the Innocence is there > already in you to begin with. > > /AL I forgot your second question, sorry. Yes, I like to see the universe as a river, and also that I have the power to make my own choices, but I have begun to question the idea/feeling of being a chooser. Choices are made, sure, but what makes them happen in the first place other than the universe itself? Many advaita teachers say that choices are not made by any separate person, among them Nukunu: http://www.youarethat.dk/listenlook.htm The idea of being entirely helpless/choiceless is frustrating for me, but who is this 'me' feeling helpless? Maybe the 'me' feeling helpless is because there is a 'me' feeling helpless there as an idea. And maybe this feeling of being helpless can be removed by observing all that is going on in one's thoughts and feelings. /AL > > > anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Mast Girl <mastteddy> > wrote: > > > > > > > Learning is good, but we have also to be able to meet every moment > > both with knowledge and without knowledge. To meet a situation > > without knowledge does not mean to be still inwardly and outwardly > > and not respond. To meet a situation without knowledge is to act in > > union with what presents itself effortlessly. Then you and the > > situation become one single movement. If you try to meet a new > > situation with only knowledge then you will become like a dry tree > in > > a storm and will easily break apart. Knowledge all by itself is > > static data and can only respond to the freshness in the live > moment > > in restricted ways. So knowledge itself is robotlike, stiff and > > final. If you let knowledge be your only guide you will experience > > all that knowledge cannot handle as negative uncertainty. Knowledge > > invariably breeds insecurity because it is inherent in the very > > static structure of knowledge. > > > > So, one practice is to go into that insecurity, that experienced > lack > > of understanding and control the intellect finds itself in and to > > stay there and see what happens. :-) > > > > /AL > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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