To Anders: Learnt so much from you guys. Thanks !!

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Nisargadatta , Masti <mastteddy> wrote:

> Thanks anders , my answers in bold next to urs

> >

> > What do you mean by Innocence, do you mean that in yourself you

are

> > helpless so that you surrender completely to the situation at

hand

> as

> > it is? no i dont surrender to a situation. As I said i meet

everyday life fresh everyday without the baggages of past

experiences - everything day as a new day - that is what i mean by

innocence. More succintly put i meet not to surrender or stay apart ,

i meet open and without prejudice of letting the situation and my

clear inner self guide me.

 

Maybe should should see the inner guide and the external world as one

and the same thing. That the Guide is what is happening all-of-it,

then there would be no conflict.

 

Maybe you fail because by trying to meet a situation in a

> > certain way you create a double illusion; for example, let's say

> that

> > you meet some new people and you want to behave in a kind way.

 

> i know u quote this is an example but let me say that i dont

want/choose to behave in a certain way - kind or unkind. I just meet

it the situation as it is without any preconceived notion and react

to it naturally from an inner belief.

 

Maybe the belief hold you separated from the totality of every

situation, creating a kind of division, sort of.

 

>The

> > first illusion is the belief that by trying to be kind you will

> > actually *be* kind. When you try to be something then it means

that

> > you in fact are not that way in reality and that you must

pretend,

> > you must put up a mask of self-created kindness. This is not

> natural

> > kindness. Natural kindness automatically overflows.

 

that is probably what i mean too. Instead of letting ego, nerves etc

pressurise me with past experiences/fears etc i try to meet a

situation with innocence - innocence as in clean slate everytime -

meaning i resist the effect of this trio in pressurising my

reactions.

 

I find it helpful to look at my fears and observe them and ask " who

is afraid? " , and " what *is* this fear " and then I see that the fear

is real, but then I ask, " Is the fear real right now, or is the fear

about something in my thought-world i.e. in the future? " Fear is

there because there is a 'me' there that needs to be protected. But

what if I let this me become totally vulnerable. To loosen up

the 'fist' that holds the me protected.

 

> The second

> > illusion is that there is a 'you' to put a mask of kindness on in

> the

> > first place. So, trying to do something creates a double

illusion,

> > and if you try to meet every situation with Innocence it means

that

> > there is something in you not trusting that the Innocence is

there

> > already in you to begin with. :-)

 

>not sure what you are trying to say here. when i use the word try,

its because i am not super human i have to try and when i say i fail

sometimes i am admitting that years of letting this trio rule over me

has left some baggage which sometimes pulls me away from innocence.

 

Trying is a form of struggle to get from one situation to another

situation. If you have Innocence then Innocence is there and you

don't have to do something to make it happen. If you try to *do*

something in order to make Innoncence appear, then this is perhaps

only the ego back in business again as the *controller*. But is

Innocence the same as control made by a fragment me?

 

/AL

 

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> > /AL / M

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