Guest guest Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Anyone care to suggest a first time prolonged read of Nisargadatta - I have read a lot of stuff online and printed lt too. How about Ramesh's book on maharaj, or just plunge straight in to the ocean of " I am that " ?? What do you think ? thanks Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Plunge " NAKED " into the Ocean of " IAM " .. Then u will not need any books / nor print outs / nor references/ nor ashrams / nor validations by gurus/ erici44 [erici44] Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:53 AM Nisargadatta Recommend a book ? Anyone care to suggest a first time prolonged read of Nisargadatta - I have read a lot of stuff online and printed lt too. How about Ramesh's book on maharaj, or just plunge straight in to the ocean of " I am that " ?? What do you think ? to answer ur question - IAM THAT should be suffice. thanks Eric ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dear Eric: A book recommendation would depend on what you are seeking. The ego in 99.99% of all " spiritual seekers " is hoping not to end. Thus what is being sought is a teaching that will serve that purpose. Even if the layers of self deception pretend otherwise. For the purpose of preserving the ego, Ramesh's books are a good choice. For the purpose of avoiding Nisagadatta's teaching, Ramesh's books serve that purpose well. All of the books that Ramesh wrote are Ramesh's ideas even when Ramesh used Nisargadatta's name and pretended to be writing a book of Nisargadatta's teaching. The purpose of Ramesh's books is preserving the ego. For that one in a million " spiritual seekers " in whom the extremely intense desire for liberation has arisen, " I am That " is the only book of Nisargadatta Maharaj's teachings worth reading. It is also the best or second best book of Direct Path teachings ever written. Reading a book like " I am That " is good for practice instructions. What is key, however is to practice. Just as Nisargadatta spent his spare time in practice following his guru's instructions. It took Nisargadatta three years of practice to awaken. Here are some powerful quotes by Nisargadatta: STEP #1: Questioner: " Have I not suffered enough? " Nisargadatta: " Suffering has made you dull, unable to see its enormity. Your first task is to see the sorrow in you and around you; STEP #2: your next to long intensely for liberation. The very intensity of longing will guide you; you need no other guide. " STEP #3: Questioner: " Surely there is something valid and valuable in every approach. " Nisargadatta: " In each case the value lies in brining you to the need of seeking within. Playing with various approaches may be due to resistance to going within, to the fear of having to abandon the illusion of being something or somebody in particular. To find water you do not dig small pits all over the place, but drill in one place only. Similarly, to find your self you have to explore yourself. " Questioner: " In the beginning we may have to pray and meditate for some time before we are ready for self-inquiry. " Nisargadatta: " If you believe so, go on. To me, all delay is a waste of time. You can skip all the preparation and go directly for the ultimate search within. Of all the Yogas it is the simplest and the shortest. " Questioner: " You mean to say that all these glories will come with the mere dwelling on the feeling `I am " ? Nisargadatta: " It is the simple that is certain, not the complicated. Somehow, people do not trust the simple, the easy, the always available. Why not give an honest try to what I say? It may look very small and insignificant, but it is like a seed that grows into a mighty tree. Give yourself a chance! " " I simply followed my Guru's instruction which was to focus the mind on pure being `I am', and stay in it. I used to sit for hours together, with nothing but the `I am' in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love became my normal state. In it all disappeared – myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence. " " Whatever happened, I would turn my attention away from it and remain with the sense 'I am', it may look too simple, even crude. My only reason for doing it was that my Guru told me so. Yet it worked! Obedience is a powerful solvent of all desires and fears. Just turn away from all that occupies the mind; do whatever work you have to complete, but avoid new obligations; keep empty, keep available, resist not what comes uninvited. In the end you will reach a state of non-grasping, of joyful non-attachment, of inner ease and freedom indescribable, yet wonderfully real. " " Nothing stops you but preoccupation with the outer which prevents you from focusing on the inner. It cannot be helped, you cannot skip your spiritual practice. You have to turn away from the world and go within. " " As long as you are engrossed in the world, you are unable to know yourself: to know yourself, turn your attention away from the world and turn it within. " Questioner: " What is the course of training in self-awareness? " Nisargadatta: " There is no need of training. Awareness is always with you. The same attention that you give to the outer, you turn to the inner. No new, or special kind of awareness is needed. " " What you need is to be aware of being aware. " " Don't be misled by the simplicity of the advice. Very few are those who have the courage to trust the innocent and the simple. " " The all important word is 'try'. Allot enough time daily for sitting quietly and trying, just trying, to go beyond the personality, with its addictions and obsessions. " " You just keep on trying until you succeed. If you persevere, there can be no failure. " " It is not a matter of easy, or difficult. Either you try or you don't. It is up to you. " You can read some more powerful quotes at this link: http://uarelove1.tripod.com/FIVE_SAGES.htm Take care, with Love, Michael L. Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > Anyone care to suggest a first time prolonged read of Nisargadatta - > I have read a lot of stuff online and printed lt too. > > How about Ramesh's book on maharaj, or just plunge straight in to the > ocean of " I am that " ?? What do you think ? > > thanks > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 all seeking is a symptom of suffering... understand what motivates seeking & be free... yours danananda Nisargadatta , " uarelove " <uarelove> wrote: > Dear Eric: > > A book recommendation would depend on what you are seeking. > The ego in 99.99% of all " spiritual seekers " is hoping not to end. > Thus what is being sought is a teaching that will serve that purpose. > Even if the layers of self deception pretend otherwise. > For the purpose of preserving the ego, > Ramesh's books are a good choice. > For the purpose of avoiding Nisagadatta's teaching, > Ramesh's books serve that purpose well. > All of the books that Ramesh wrote are Ramesh's ideas > even when Ramesh used Nisargadatta's name and pretended to be writing > a book of Nisargadatta's teaching. > The purpose of Ramesh's books is preserving the ego. > > For that one in a million " spiritual seekers " in whom the extremely > intense desire for liberation has arisen, > " I am That " is the only book of Nisargadatta Maharaj's teachings > worth reading. > It is also the best or second best book of Direct Path teachings > ever written. > > Reading a book like " I am That " is good for practice instructions. > What is key, however is to practice. Just as Nisargadatta spent his > spare time in practice following his guru's instructions. > It took Nisargadatta three years of practice to awaken. > > Here are some powerful quotes by Nisargadatta: > > STEP #1: > > Questioner: > > " Have I not suffered enough? " > > Nisargadatta: > > " Suffering has made you dull, > > unable to see its enormity. > > Your first task is to see the sorrow in you > > and around you; > > STEP #2: > > your next to long intensely for liberation. > > The very intensity of longing will guide you; > > you need no other guide. " > > STEP #3: > > Questioner: " Surely there is something valid > > and valuable in every approach. " > > Nisargadatta: " In each case the value lies > > in brining you to the need of seeking within. > > Playing with various approaches > > may be due to resistance to going within, > > to the fear of having to abandon the illusion > > of being something or somebody in particular. > > To find water you do not dig small pits > > all over the place, > > but drill in one place only. > > Similarly, to find your self > > you have to explore yourself. " > > Questioner: " In the beginning we may have to pray > > and meditate for some time > > before we are ready for self-inquiry. " > > Nisargadatta: > > " If you believe so, go on. > > To me, all delay is a waste of time. > > You can skip all the preparation > > and go directly for the ultimate search within. > > Of all the Yogas it is the simplest and the shortest. " > > Questioner: " You mean to say that all these glories > > will come with the mere dwelling > > on the feeling `I am " ? > > Nisargadatta: " It is the simple that is certain, > > not the complicated. > > Somehow, people do not trust the simple, the easy, > > the always available. > > Why not give an honest try to what I say? > > It may look very small and insignificant, > > but it is like a seed that grows into a mighty tree. > > Give yourself a chance! " > > " I simply followed my Guru's instruction > > which was to focus the mind on pure being `I am', > > and stay in it. > > I used to sit for hours together, > > with nothing but the `I am' in my mind > > and soon peace and joy and a deep all-embracing love > > became my normal state. > > In it all disappeared – myself, my Guru, > > the life I lived, the world around me. > > Only peace remained and unfathomable silence. " > > " Whatever happened, > > I would turn my attention away from it > > and remain with the sense 'I am', > > it may look too simple, even crude. > > My only reason for doing it > > was that my Guru told me so. > > Yet it worked! > > Obedience is a powerful solvent > > of all desires and fears. > > Just turn away from all that occupies the mind; > > do whatever work you have to complete, > > but avoid new obligations; > > keep empty, keep available, > > resist not what comes uninvited. > > In the end you will reach a state of non-grasping, > > of joyful non-attachment, > > of inner ease and freedom indescribable, > > yet wonderfully real. " > > " Nothing stops you but preoccupation with the outer > > which prevents you from focusing on the inner. > > It cannot be helped, > > you cannot skip your spiritual practice. > > You have to turn away from the world and go within. " > > " As long as you are engrossed in the world, > > you are unable to know yourself: > > to know yourself, > > turn your attention away from the world > > and turn it within. " > > Questioner: > > " What is the course of training in self-awareness? " > > Nisargadatta: " There is no need of training. > > Awareness is always with you. > > The same attention that you give to the outer, > > you turn to the inner. > > No new, or special kind of awareness is needed. " > > " What you need is to be aware of being aware. " > > " Don't be misled by the simplicity of the advice. > > Very few are those who have the courage > > to trust the innocent and the simple. " > > " The all important word is 'try'. > > Allot enough time daily for sitting quietly > > and trying, just trying, > > to go beyond the personality, > > with its addictions and obsessions. " > > " You just keep on trying until you succeed. > > If you persevere, there can be no failure. " > > " It is not a matter of easy, or difficult. > > Either you try or you don't. > > It is up to you. " > > You can read some more powerful quotes at this link: > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/FIVE_SAGES.htm > > Take care, > > with Love, > > Michael L. > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > > Anyone care to suggest a first time prolonged read of > Nisargadatta - > > I have read a lot of stuff online and printed lt too. > > > > How about Ramesh's book on maharaj, or just plunge straight in to > the > > ocean of " I am that " ?? What do you think ? > > > > thanks > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Thanks Michael Very kind of you I am goimng to read through the material on your site then buy 'I am that'. cheers Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 I would also suggest a book caled " The Power of Now " by Eckhart Tolle. He is a contemporary Western mystic - his writings also in question/answer format are uncannily similiar to Maharaj. Eckhart Tolle writes for the Westerner - there is a lot of clarity in the way he expresses concepts. Try it out. Gads erici44 <erici44 wrote: Anyone care to suggest a first time prolonged read of Nisargadatta - I have read a lot of stuff online and printed lt too. How about Ramesh's book on maharaj, or just plunge straight in to the ocean of " I am that " ?? What do you think ? thanks Eric ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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