Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 No-body owns anything. Mind pretends to own mind, Mental substance pretends to own mental substance, and thought pretends to own thought The illusion of ownership is like clouds grasping at clouds, The only true owner owns through identity. Ownership depends on thought, nobody owns thought. The possessor that believes it owns a 'thing' is in fact a thought itself, a thought in the mind of God, as too is the 'thing' it believes it owns. The thing that thinks in 'you' is owned by God alone. The thing that thinks it owns is owned by God alone, The thing it thinks it owns is owned by God alone, What then can you call 'your' own? Who wants to possess what? And Who owns what? The possessor and the possessed, they are thoughts in the mind of God, which is one only. *Who is it that owns what 'thing'?* How did you hope to grab onto a piece of the universe and say 'This is mine?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Scott Andersen " <sga_email> wrote: > > No-body owns anything. > > Mind pretends to own mind, > > Mental substance pretends to own mental substance, and thought > pretends to own thought > > The illusion of ownership is like clouds grasping at clouds, > > The only true owner owns through identity. > > Ownership depends on thought, nobody owns thought. > > The possessor that believes it owns a 'thing' is in fact a thought > itself, a thought in the mind of God, as too is the 'thing' it > believes it owns. > > The thing that thinks in 'you' is owned by God alone. > > The thing that thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > The thing it thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > What then can you call 'your' own? > > Who wants to possess what? > > And Who owns what? > > The possessor and the possessed, they are thoughts in the mind of > God, which is one only. > > *Who is it that owns what 'thing'?* > > How did you hope to grab onto a piece of the universe and say 'This > is mine?' I know I own my money, but when I look into this a bit deeper I find that everything is just a quantum state in flux happening now, an infinitely complex and rich quantum state, but nonetheless only a vibration. I am not this vibration; I am the awareness of this vibration. What do I mean by vibration? The human body is a part of this vibration. An apple is a part of this vibration. A $20 note is a part of this vibration. The thought 'My money' is a part of this vibration. There is no real substance in the world - all is one vibration. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hi again, > > > > No-body owns anything. > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, > > > > Mental substance pretends to own mental substance, and thought > > pretends to own thought > > > > The illusion of ownership is like clouds grasping at clouds, > > > > The only true owner owns through identity. > > > > Ownership depends on thought, nobody owns thought. > > > > The possessor that believes it owns a 'thing' is in fact a thought > > itself, a thought in the mind of God, as too is the 'thing' it > > believes it owns. > > > > The thing that thinks in 'you' is owned by God alone. > > > > The thing that thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > The thing it thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > What then can you call 'your' own? > > > > Who wants to possess what? > > > > And Who owns what? > > > > The possessor and the possessed, they are thoughts in the mind of > > God, which is one only. > > > > *Who is it that owns what 'thing'?* > > > > How did you hope to grab onto a piece of the universe and say 'This > > is mine?' > I know I own my money, but when I look into this a bit deeper I find > that everything is just a quantum state in flux happening now, an > infinitely complex and rich quantum state> It is a ME that is thinking to think so. *Who owns What?* but nonetheless only a > vibration. I am not this vibration; I am the awareness of this > vibration. What do I mean by vibration? The human body is a part of > this vibration. An apple is a part of this vibration. A $20 note is a > part of this vibration> >The thought 'My money' is a part of this > vibration. There is no real substance in the world - all is one > vibration. You can also say that everything is simply energy. But this is not what I was trying to get at in saying the above. *It is not possible for any_one to own any_thing* There is only mind clinging to mind under a completely false pretense of ownership, an illusion, dualism. Yet everyday MEs go around saying this car is mine, I have $10000 in my bank account, I own a house etc. **There is only 'one owner'** Kind Regards, Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Scott Andersen " <sga_email> wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > > > > No-body owns anything. > > > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, > > > > > > Mental substance pretends to own mental substance, and thought > > > pretends to own thought > > > > > > The illusion of ownership is like clouds grasping at clouds, > > > > > > The only true owner owns through identity. > > > > > > Ownership depends on thought, nobody owns thought. > > > > > > The possessor that believes it owns a 'thing' is in fact a > thought > > > itself, a thought in the mind of God, as too is the 'thing' it > > > believes it owns. > > > > > > The thing that thinks in 'you' is owned by God alone. > > > > > > The thing that thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > > > The thing it thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > > > What then can you call 'your' own? > > > > > > Who wants to possess what? > > > > > > And Who owns what? > > > > > > The possessor and the possessed, they are thoughts in the mind of > > > God, which is one only. > > > > > > *Who is it that owns what 'thing'?* > > > > > > How did you hope to grab onto a piece of the universe and > say 'This > > > is mine?' > > > > I know I own my money, but when I look into this a bit deeper I > find > > that everything is just a quantum state in flux happening now, an > > infinitely complex and rich quantum state> > > > It is a ME that is thinking to think so. > > *Who owns What?* > > > but nonetheless only a > > vibration. I am not this vibration; I am the awareness of this > > vibration. What do I mean by vibration? The human body is a part of > > this vibration. An apple is a part of this vibration. A $20 note is > a > > part of this vibration> > >The thought 'My money' is a part of this > > vibration. There is no real substance in the world - all is one > > vibration. > > > You can also say that everything is simply energy. > But this is not what I was trying to get at in saying the above. > > *It is not possible for any_one to own any_thing* > > There is only mind clinging to mind under a completely false pretense > of ownership, an illusion, dualism. > > Yet everyday MEs go around saying this car is mine, I have $10000 in > my bank account, I own a house etc. > > **There is only 'one owner'** > > Kind Regards, > > Scott. I think perhaps we mean the same thing, but maybe you look from the perspective of a 'ME' in relation to something else, while I look from the perspective/concept of no separation. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Hi, > > > > No-body owns anything. > > > > > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, > > > > > > > > Mental substance pretends to own mental substance, and thought > > > > pretends to own thought > > > > > > > > The illusion of ownership is like clouds grasping at clouds, > > > > > > > > The only true owner owns through identity. > > > > > > > > Ownership depends on thought, nobody owns thought. > > > > > > > > The possessor that believes it owns a 'thing' is in fact a > > thought > > > > itself, a thought in the mind of God, as too is the 'thing' it > > > > believes it owns. > > > > > > > > The thing that thinks in 'you' is owned by God alone. > > > > > > > > The thing that thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > > > > > The thing it thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > > > > > What then can you call 'your' own? > > > > > > > > Who wants to possess what? > > > > > > > > And Who owns what? > > > > > > > > The possessor and the possessed, they are thoughts in the mind > of > > > > God, which is one only. > > > > > > > > *Who is it that owns what 'thing'?* > > > > > > > > How did you hope to grab onto a piece of the universe and > > say 'This > > > > is mine?' > > > > > > > I know I own my money, but when I look into this a bit deeper I > > find > > > that everything is just a quantum state in flux happening now, an > > > infinitely complex and rich quantum state> > > > > > > It is a ME that is thinking to think so. > > > > *Who owns What?* > > > > > > but nonetheless only a > > > vibration. I am not this vibration; I am the awareness of this > > > vibration. What do I mean by vibration? The human body is a part > of > > > this vibration. An apple is a part of this vibration. A $20 note > is > > a > > > part of this vibration> > > >The thought 'My money' is a part of this > > > vibration. There is no real substance in the world - all is one > > > vibration. > > > > > > You can also say that everything is simply energy. > > But this is not what I was trying to get at in saying the above. > > > > *It is not possible for any_one to own any_thing* > > > > There is only mind clinging to mind under a completely false > pretense > > of ownership, an illusion, dualism. > > > > Yet everyday MEs go around saying this car is mine, I have $10000 > in > > my bank account, I own a house etc. > > > > **There is only 'one owner'** > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Scott. > > I think perhaps we mean the same thing, but maybe you look from the > perspective of a 'ME' in relation to something else, while I look > from the perspective/concept of no separation. By saying that all is vibration or that all is one energy and so there is no seperation, and thus ownership is impossible, is different to what I have tryed to convey above. From the energy or vibration perspective; If there is 'no seperation' there is not two and so there no owner or ownership possible. All is energy how can there be any talk of 'ownership'. Mind pretends to own mind, but mind cannot OWN mind, we do not even own *our own minds*; they have been 'lent to us' from universal substance. *There is only one owner* If we do not even own 'our own minds' how can we then say that WE own a car, money in the bank or anything else? Mind pretends to own mind, mind clings to mind. If someone were to surgically sew or insert their money into *their own body* they would not be any closer to posessing the money they think they own than if it were sitting in a Swiss bank account. True ownership is simply not possible it is a *false idea* that is never actually in anyway real or possible. The very simple fact is; *No-BODY owns any-THING* Kind Regards, Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Scott Andersen " <sga_email> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > No-body owns anything. > > > > > > > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, > > > > > > > > > > Mental substance pretends to own mental substance, and > thought > > > > > pretends to own thought > > > > > > > > > > The illusion of ownership is like clouds grasping at clouds, > > > > > > > > > > The only true owner owns through identity. > > > > > > > > > > Ownership depends on thought, nobody owns thought. > > > > > > > > > > The possessor that believes it owns a 'thing' is in fact a > > > thought > > > > > itself, a thought in the mind of God, as too is the 'thing' > it > > > > > believes it owns. > > > > > > > > > > The thing that thinks in 'you' is owned by God alone. > > > > > > > > > > The thing that thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > > > > > > > The thing it thinks it owns is owned by God alone, > > > > > > > > > > What then can you call 'your' own? > > > > > > > > > > Who wants to possess what? > > > > > > > > > > And Who owns what? > > > > > > > > > > The possessor and the possessed, they are thoughts in the > mind > > of > > > > > God, which is one only. > > > > > > > > > > *Who is it that owns what 'thing'?* > > > > > > > > > > How did you hope to grab onto a piece of the universe and > > > say 'This > > > > > is mine?' > > > > > > > > > > I know I own my money, but when I look into this a bit deeper I > > > find > > > > that everything is just a quantum state in flux happening now, > an > > > > infinitely complex and rich quantum state> > > > > > > > > > It is a ME that is thinking to think so. > > > > > > *Who owns What?* > > > > > > > > > but nonetheless only a > > > > vibration. I am not this vibration; I am the awareness of this > > > > vibration. What do I mean by vibration? The human body is a > part > > of > > > > this vibration. An apple is a part of this vibration. A $20 > note > > is > > > a > > > > part of this vibration> > > > >The thought 'My money' is a part of this > > > > vibration. There is no real substance in the world - all is one > > > > vibration. > > > > > > > > > You can also say that everything is simply energy. > > > But this is not what I was trying to get at in saying the above. > > > > > > *It is not possible for any_one to own any_thing* > > > > > > There is only mind clinging to mind under a completely false > > pretense > > > of ownership, an illusion, dualism. > > > > > > Yet everyday MEs go around saying this car is mine, I have $10000 > > in > > > my bank account, I own a house etc. > > > > > > **There is only 'one owner'** > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Scott. > > > > I think perhaps we mean the same thing, but maybe you look from the > > perspective of a 'ME' in relation to something else, while I look > > from the perspective/concept of no separation. > > > By saying that all is vibration or that all is one energy and so > there is no seperation, and thus ownership is impossible, is > different to what I have tryed to convey above. > > From the energy or vibration perspective; > If there is 'no seperation' there is not two and so there no owner or > ownership possible. All is energy how can there be any talk > of 'ownership'. > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, but mind cannot OWN mind, we do not even > own *our own minds*; they have been 'lent to us' from universal > substance. > > *There is only one owner* > > If we do not even own 'our own minds' how can we then say that WE own > a car, money in the bank or anything else? > > Mind pretends to own mind, mind clings to mind. > > If someone were to surgically sew or insert their money into *their > own body* they would not be any closer to posessing the money they > think they own than if it were sitting in a Swiss bank account. > > True ownership is simply not possible it is a *false idea* that is > never actually in anyway real or possible. > > The very simple fact is; > > *No-BODY owns any-THING* > > Kind Regards, > > Scott. But from my body/mind there is a relation to 'my' money. Isn't this relation as real as the 'ME' you talk about? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Hi again, > > By saying that all is vibration or that all is one energy and so > > there is no seperation, and thus ownership is impossible, is > > different to what I have tryed to convey above. > > > > From the energy or vibration perspective; > > If there is 'no seperation' there is not two and so there no owner > or > > ownership possible. All is energy how can there be any talk > > of 'ownership'. > > > > > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, but mind cannot OWN mind, we do not even > > own *our own minds*; they have been 'lent to us' from universal > > substance. > > > > *There is only one owner* > > > > If we do not even own 'our own minds' how can we then say that WE > own > > a car, money in the bank or anything else? > > > > Mind pretends to own mind, mind clings to mind. > > > > If someone were to surgically sew or insert their money into *their > > own body* they would not be any closer to posessing the money they > > think they own than if it were sitting in a Swiss bank account. > > > > True ownership is simply not possible it is a *false idea* that is > > never actually in anyway real or possible. > > > > The very simple fact is; > > > > *No-BODY owns any-THING* > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Scott. > > But from my body/mind there is a relation to 'my' money. Isn't this > relation as real as the 'ME' you talk about? Yes. The relationship of a ME and what it thinks it owns is not possible without the ME. It is a ME that thinks it owns things including it's ''own mind and own body'' Kind Regards, Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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