Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body consciousness. We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate reality. The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are conditioned by all its previous mental and physical states. Am I misguided ? thank you Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hi Eric, Question: Who did misguide you ? Osho ? If there is a soul or not, One great consciousness or not, - what does it matter in your daily life ? Feeling less lonely or more secure ? Knock your head three times against your room's wall - its impact will be much more obvious than your soul or the One great consciousness you are part of ever can reveal to you. Werner Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > consciousness. > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate reality. > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are conditioned > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > Am I misguided ? > > thank you > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hi Eric, - " erici44 " <erici44 <Nisargadatta > Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:41 AM Duality > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > consciousness. -------- eh? What between? The body-mind organism is an appearance in Consciousness. And the sense of entity seeing that time demolishes everything, seeks the timeless. And in that seeking conceptualizes, the incorporeality of an eternal soul. To be sought. > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate reality. ----- There is no " we " to either have been separated, or never have been separated. The very issue of separation(either in affirmation or in negation),..... is moot. > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are conditioned > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > Am I misguided ? -------- There is this moment,............without the conceptualizing of " there is this moment " . Appearing, once again as that very moment,.....as the myraid " distincts " ,....... .........each " distinct " ,....... a unique architecturing,...... ....and in each " distinct " , the prevailing sense of entitification, ....... ..such that for it, .......appears the entire mosaic of distinctions,.........as distinctions. The appearing of the appearance of the myriad " distincts " and its dissolution in duration,......... ....in no way affects, alters, ammends, impacts,..............that whose expression is the moment. The horse which is awake, snorting about,........is always in the standing posture. The same horse, with a belly full of hay,....sleeps and remains in the standing posture. The awaking or sleeping of the horse,..........in no way affects the essential, intrinsic standing posture of the horse. In your mere presence, ....a whole dream-world got created. A dream-drama, in which you were born, you did this and that, you succeeded, you failed, you related in love, in hatred, in compassion, you saved a drowning child, you mugged an old man near Garde Lyon,.....you chased material thingies, you chased spirituality, enlightenment.... .....and then maybe you died. The entire ethos and pathos of the ado of the last night sleep dream,..... did not create an iota of impact or alteration to your essential sleeping existence in a 4 X 6 cot. Now you may say, what about the distinction of the last night dream and me-the dreamer? Each and every characeter, each and every situation, each and aspect, each of and every nuance of that last-night dream, ........was not existing somewhere near the ceiling of your bedroom. The entirety of the dream, the entire ado of the drama, was in you. Was you. Fundamental physicists, in the last 2 decades have arrived at the startling conclusion (startling for Science),... ..that the nature of the objective Universe,....... is that of a thought.(David Bohm) They are echoing, an ancient singing which erupted some ten thousand years ago..... This is complete, perfect. That is complete, perfect. Out of completion, perfection, arose completion, perfection. When perfection, completion arose, what was left was still in perfection, completion. Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 it's only your thought-dreams which create a false sense of duality... let the thoughts come & go & stay in the vast clarity of THAT in which all things arise & disappear... Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > consciousness. > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate reality. > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are conditioned > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > Am I misguided ? > > thank you > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 " Knock your head three times against your room's wall - its > impact will be much more obvious than your soul or the One great > consciousness you are part of ever can reveal to you. " Thanks Werner, I tried that and now your message makes sense. Concussion is a great leveller. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Question: Who did misguide you ? Osho ? > > If there is a soul or not, One great consciousness or not, - what > does it matter in your daily life ? Feeling less lonely or more > secure ? Knock your head three times against your room's wall - its > impact will be much more obvious than your soul or the One great > consciousness you are part of ever can reveal to you. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > consciousness. > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate > reality. > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are > conditioned > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > Am I misguided ? > > > > thank you > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 LOL ! Take care .. Werner Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > " Knock your head three times against your room's wall - its > > impact will be much more obvious than your soul or the One great > > consciousness you are part of ever can reveal to you. " > > Thanks Werner, I tried that and now your message makes sense. > Concussion is a great leveller. > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > > > Question: Who did misguide you ? Osho ? > > > > If there is a soul or not, One great consciousness or not, - what > > does it matter in your daily life ? Feeling less lonely or more > > secure ? Knock your head three times against your room's wall - its > > impact will be much more obvious than your soul or the One great > > consciousness you are part of ever can reveal to you. > > > > Werner > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > > consciousness. > > > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great > consciousness > > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate > > reality. > > > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole > and > > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate > individual > > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are > > conditioned > > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > > > Am I misguided ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Sandeep Thanks for your reply, Yes, " The body-mind organism is an appearance in Consciousness " is what I temporarily forgot, thanks. That sorts out the duality, however they are two separate concepts, if not in ultimate reality. Here is an interesting very recent science article Is our universe a simulation ? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/21/1090089219062.html? from=storylhs & oneclick=true cheers Eric Nisargadatta , " sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hi Eric, > > > - > " erici44 " <erici44> > <Nisargadatta > > Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:41 AM > Duality > > > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > consciousness. > > -------- > > eh? > > What between? > > The body-mind organism is an appearance in Consciousness. > > And the sense of entity seeing that time demolishes everything, seeks the timeless. > > And in that seeking conceptualizes, the incorporeality of an eternal soul. > > To be sought. > > > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate reality. > > ----- > > > There is no " we " to either have been separated, or never have been separated. > > The very issue of separation(either in affirmation or in negation),..... is moot. > > > > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are conditioned > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > Am I misguided ? > > -------- > > > There is this moment,............without the conceptualizing of " there is this moment " . > > Appearing, once again as that very moment,.....as the myraid " distincts " ,....... > > ........each " distinct " ,....... a unique architecturing,...... > > ...and in each " distinct " , the prevailing sense of entitification, ....... > > .such that for it, .......appears the entire mosaic of distinctions,.........as distinctions. > > The appearing of the appearance of the myriad " distincts " and its dissolution in duration,......... > > ...in no way affects, alters, ammends, impacts,..............that whose expression is the moment. > > > > The horse which is awake, snorting about,........is always in the standing posture. > > The same horse, with a belly full of hay,....sleeps and remains in the standing posture. > > The awaking or sleeping of the horse,..........in no way affects the essential, intrinsic standing posture of the horse. > > > In your mere presence, ....a whole dream-world got created. > > A dream-drama, in which you were born, you did this and that, you succeeded, you failed, you related in love, in hatred, in compassion, you saved a drowning child, you mugged an old man near Garde Lyon,.....you chased material thingies, you chased spirituality, enlightenment.... > > ....and then maybe you died. > > > > The entire ethos and pathos of the ado of the last night sleep dream,..... did not create an iota of impact or alteration to your essential sleeping existence in a 4 X 6 cot. > > Now you may say, what about the distinction of the last night dream and me-the dreamer? > > Each and every characeter, each and every situation, each and aspect, each of and every nuance of that last-night dream, > > .......was not existing somewhere near the ceiling of your bedroom. > > The entirety of the dream, the entire ado of the drama, was in you. > > Was you. > > Fundamental physicists, in the last 2 decades have arrived at the startling conclusion (startling for Science),... > > .that the nature of the objective Universe,....... is that of a thought.(David Bohm) > > > > They are echoing, an ancient singing which erupted some ten thousand years ago..... > > This is complete, perfect. > > That is complete, perfect. > > Out of completion, perfection, arose completion, perfection. > > When perfection, completion arose, > > what was left > > was still in perfection, completion. > > > > Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doooo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Yes, very well put. I have been reading some of Ramana Maharshi's sayings on awareness provided by UARELOVE who is a member of this list. http://uarelove1.tripod.com/world.htm thank you Eric Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > it's only your thought-dreams which create a false sense of > duality... let the thoughts come & go & stay in the vast clarity of > THAT in which all things arise & disappear... > > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > consciousness. > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate > reality. > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are > conditioned > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > Am I misguided ? > > > > thank you > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hey, This is encouraging! 8 messages in a row, and none from Anders & Scott. Maybe these guys sleep after all, maybe they go the the toilet. Don't get your hopes up, though. They'll be BACK. ) Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > Yes, very well put. I have been reading some of Ramana Maharshi's > sayings on awareness provided by UARELOVE who is a member of this > list. > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/world.htm > > thank you > > Eric > > > > Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " > <danananda2004> wrote: > > it's only your thought-dreams which create a false sense of > > duality... let the thoughts come & go & stay in the vast clarity of > > THAT in which all things arise & disappear... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > > consciousness. > > > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great > consciousness > > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate > > reality. > > > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole > and > > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate > individual > > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are > > conditioned > > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > > > Am I misguided ? > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > consciousness. > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great consciousness > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate reality. > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole and > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate individual > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are conditioned > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > Am I misguided ? > > thank you > > Eric I like to see myself as a body/mind mechanism being *done* by Totality in action. My will is the same as focus of attention. If it is the universe that is guiding this focus, or if there is a personal free will in me guiding this focus, may be an irrelevant question seen from a larger perspective. However, I am very curious about if there is a universal consciousness operating, and if that the personal consciousness is a part of this universal consciousness and if there can be a unification happening so that the personal consciousness connects to and melts into the universal consciousness. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > Sandeep > > Thanks for your reply, > > Yes, " The body-mind organism is an appearance in Consciousness " is > what I temporarily forgot, thanks. That sorts out the duality, > however they are two separate concepts, if not in ultimate reality. > > Here is an interesting very recent science article > > Is our universe a simulation ? > > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/21/1090089219062.html? > from=storylhs & oneclick=true I have a strong feeling that the universe is a simulation, and that this simulation is all there is. There is no simulator, like a machine world or a powerful entity pulling the (super)strings in order for this Matrix to happen. The Matrix is - and is all there is. The simulation is. There is no such thing as a 'thing' such as a carbon atom. It is all Maya. It is utterly childish to believe that there is a 'thing' such as a Simulator behind the scenes of the universe. /AL > > > > > cheers > > Eric > > > Nisargadatta , " sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > > > > > - > > " erici44 " <erici44> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:41 AM > > Duality > > > > > > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > > consciousness. > > > > -------- > > > > eh? > > > > What between? > > > > The body-mind organism is an appearance in Consciousness. > > > > And the sense of entity seeing that time demolishes everything, > seeks the timeless. > > > > And in that seeking conceptualizes, the incorporeality of an > eternal soul. > > > > To be sought. > > > > > > > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great > consciousness > > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate > reality. > > > > ----- > > > > > > There is no " we " to either have been separated, or never have been > separated. > > > > The very issue of separation(either in affirmation or in > negation),..... is moot. > > > > > > > > > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole > and > > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate > individual > > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action and > > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are > conditioned > > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > > > Am I misguided ? > > > > -------- > > > > > > There is this moment,............without the conceptualizing > of " there is this moment " . > > > > Appearing, once again as that very moment,.....as the > myraid " distincts " ,....... > > > > ........each " distinct " ,....... a unique architecturing,...... > > > > ...and in each " distinct " , the prevailing sense of > entitification, ....... > > > > .such that for it, .......appears the entire mosaic of > distinctions,.........as distinctions. > > > > The appearing of the appearance of the myriad " distincts " and its > dissolution in duration,......... > > > > ...in no way affects, alters, ammends, impacts,..............that > whose expression is the moment. > > > > > > > > The horse which is awake, snorting about,........is always in the > standing posture. > > > > The same horse, with a belly full of hay,....sleeps and remains in > the standing posture. > > > > The awaking or sleeping of the horse,..........in no way affects > the essential, intrinsic standing posture of the horse. > > > > > > In your mere presence, ....a whole dream-world got created. > > > > A dream-drama, in which you were born, you did this and that, you > succeeded, you failed, you related in love, in hatred, in compassion, > you saved a drowning child, you mugged an old man near Garde > Lyon,.....you chased material thingies, you chased spirituality, > enlightenment.... > > > > ....and then maybe you died. > > > > > > > > The entire ethos and pathos of the ado of the last night sleep > dream,..... did not create an iota of impact or alteration to your > essential sleeping existence in a 4 X 6 cot. > > > > Now you may say, what about the distinction of the last night dream > and me-the dreamer? > > > > Each and every characeter, each and every situation, each and > aspect, each of and every nuance of that last-night dream, > > > > .......was not existing somewhere near the ceiling of your bedroom. > > > > The entirety of the dream, the entire ado of the drama, was in you. > > > > Was you. > > > > Fundamental physicists, in the last 2 decades have arrived at the > startling conclusion (startling for Science),... > > > > .that the nature of the objective Universe,....... is that of a > thought.(David Bohm) > > > > > > > > They are echoing, an ancient singing which erupted some ten > thousand years ago..... > > > > This is complete, perfect. > > > > That is complete, perfect. > > > > Out of completion, perfection, arose completion, perfection. > > > > When perfection, completion arose, > > > > what was left > > > > was still in perfection, completion. > > > > > > > > Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doooo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Hey, This is encouraging! 8 messages in a row, and none from Anders & > Scott. Maybe these guys sleep after all, maybe they go the the toilet. > Don't get your hopes up, though. They'll be BACK. ) I'm back! Or is it me? Maybe I am Oneness in person, or a big Troll. :-) /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> wrote: > > Yes, very well put. I have been reading some of Ramana Maharshi's > > sayings on awareness provided by UARELOVE who is a member of this > > list. > > > > http://uarelove1.tripod.com/world.htm > > > > thank you > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " > > <danananda2004> wrote: > > > it's only your thought-dreams which create a false sense of > > > duality... let the thoughts come & go & stay in the vast clarity > of > > > THAT in which all things arise & disappear... > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " erici44 " <erici44> > wrote: > > > > It seems to me there is some confusion (at least I am confused > > > > myself) between soul (incorporeal) consciousness and body > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > We, at the soul level are part (not all) of One great > > consciousness > > > > from which we have never been separated. That is the ultimate > > > reality. > > > > > > > > The body mind complex is also part of a greater physical whole > > and > > > > behaves like an ant in a colony. The idea of a separate > > individual > > > > consciousness (even at that level) which controls the body is > > > > largely an illusion due to the half second gap between action > and > > > > consciousness and also the fact that its 'decisions' are > > > conditioned > > > > by all its previous mental and physical states. > > > > > > > > Am I misguided ? > > > > > > > > thank you > > > > > > > > Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Hey, This is encouraging! 8 messages in a row, and none from Anders & > > Scott. Maybe these guys sleep after all, maybe they go the the > toilet. > > Don't get your hopes up, though. They'll be BACK. ) > > I'm back! Or is it me? Maybe I am Oneness in person, or a big > Troll. :-) > No, you are a huge craving for attention. You are a craving to justify your own existence, such: I post therefore, I Am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > Hey, This is encouraging! 8 messages in a row, and none from > Anders & > > > Scott. Maybe these guys sleep after all, maybe they go the the > > toilet. > > > Don't get your hopes up, though. They'll be BACK. ) > > > > I'm back! Or is it me? Maybe I am Oneness in person, or a big > > Troll. :-) > > > > No, you are a huge craving for attention. You are a craving to > justify your own existence, such: > > I post therefore, I Am. I am post-sessed! :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > > wrote: > > > > Hey, This is encouraging! 8 messages in a row, and none from > > Anders & > > > > Scott. Maybe these guys sleep after all, maybe they go the the > > > toilet. > > > > Don't get your hopes up, though. They'll be BACK. ) > > > > > > I'm back! Or is it me? Maybe I am Oneness in person, or a big > > > Troll. :-) > > > > > > > No, you are a huge craving for attention. You are a craving to > > justify your own existence, such: > > > > I post therefore, I Am. > > I am post-sessed! :-) ) Good humor! > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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