Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 I sense that behind my fears there is peace and clarity. I don't like this world. I want to have an invulnearble beautiful body which I can shapeshift into anything, and I want to have everything I want for free. Now, since this miserable world seemingly is not able to provide this, :-) I accept that I am trapped in a cage of fear. When I do this, when I actually accept that my life is not good enough, that in fact my life is pathetic, then there is a dawn of tremendous peace and clarity. Behind my mask of hatred shines something that is free from the entire manifested world and yet one with the manifested world. The world is still pathetic, but it is beautiful seen from clarity. Drop the hatred, which means drop your fears. Just drop it! /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: HEY ANDERS,,,, MY QUERIES IN CAPS :-) I sense that behind my fears there is peace and clarity. HMMM...HOW DOES THAT SENSE VISIT YOU ANDERS? ? I don't like this world. I want to have an invulnearble beautiful body which I can shapeshift into anything, and I want to have everything I want for free. WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT FOR? WHY DONT YOU LIKE THIS WORLD. IS IT BECASUE IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU MATERIAL THINGS FREE OR IMMATERIAL THINGS FREE ? UNFORTUNATELY MATERIAL THINGS DONT COME FREE , FOR ALL ELSE (SPIRITUAL/ " ME " / ETC ETC YOU NEED TO DROP YOUR FEARS Now, since this miserable world seemingly is not able to provide this, :-) I accept that I am trapped in a cage of fear. HMMM...YOU POOR THING...YOU ARE NOT TRAPPED AT ALL :-), YOUVE WALKED INTO IT AND ITS A NICE CAGE WITH GOLDEN HUES OF FEARS SMILING DOWN BENIGNLY AT SLAVE ANDERS..CONFORTABLE ISNT IT? ....LETS TALK ABOUT YOUR CAGE..CONCEPTUALLY YOU WANT TO STAY THERE. YOU LIKE YOUR CAGE OF FEARS AND ITS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO ATTEMPT GETTING OVER THEM. YOU KNOW WHY? BECASUE TACKLING YOUR FEARS WOULD UNEARTH LOTS OF GHOSTS ..AND HMMM WHAT DO THESE GHOSTS BRING ..SHIT!!! MORE FEAR :-) I CAN UNDERSTAND ANDERS, STAY SAFE IN THE CAGE..ITS SO PRETTY AND PEACEFUL ..ISNT IT? When I do this, when I actually accept that my life is not good enough, that in fact my life is pathetic, then there is a dawn of tremendous peace and clarity. IS THERE REALLY? YOU DID SAY IN THE FIRST LINE THAT YOU SENSE PEACE AND CLARITY BEHIND YOUR FEARS OR DINT YOU, NOW YOU TALK OF A DAWN..COME ON THIS CAGE IS NICE..STAY THERE NO ? Behind my mask of hatred shines something that is free from the entire manifested world and yet one with the manifested world. The world is still pathetic, but it is beautiful seen from clarity. Drop the hatred, which means drop your fears. Just drop it! :-) YOU MEAN WE SHOULD ALL HATE THE WORLD BECASUE WE CANT HAVE EVERYTHING FREE, BECASUE WE CANT HAVE AN INVULNERABLE BEAUTIFUL BODY WHICH WE CAN SHAPE INTO ANYTHING, THAT OUR LIFE IS PATHETIC AND THE WORLD IS PATHETIC..YES?? OK I ACCEPT ALL THAT ...AND NOW WHAT HAPPENS..SHIT ANDERS? MORE FEARS FOR ME :-( We have a choice whether we wish to be like the well-fed goose, buried underground till its neck, partaking in a rich diet, while leading a life of restricted movement, of not expending any energy and then being butchered and served as the delicacy pate foie gras; or to live life with the fluidity of movement - that giving, receiving, loving, caring and compassion can afford. oF COURSE TO DO THAT ..YOU NEED TO DROP YOUR CAGE OF FEARS...HUH! aL /M /AL New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Nisargadatta , Masti <mastteddy> wrote: > > anders_lindman <anders_lindman> wrote: > > HEY ANDERS,,,, MY QUERIES IN CAPS :-) > > I sense that behind my fears there is peace and clarity. > > HMMM...HOW DOES THAT SENSE VISIT YOU ANDERS? ? I see glimpses now and then of clarity, where my senses become more clear and deep and where thinking becomes a form of background instead of being in the foreground. > > I don't like > this world. I want to have an invulnearble beautiful body which I can > shapeshift into anything, and I want to have everything I want for > free. WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT FOR? WHY DONT YOU LIKE THIS WORLD. IS IT BECASUE IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU MATERIAL THINGS FREE OR IMMATERIAL THINGS FREE ? > UNFORTUNATELY MATERIAL THINGS DONT COME FREE , FOR ALL ELSE (SPIRITUAL/ " ME " / ETC ETC YOU NEED TO DROP YOUR FEARS Hehe. Yes, I want to have a new Ferrari for free. I want to have anything I want for free. Like a superiorly spoiled brat. :-) But, as you indicated, in order to really be able to enjoy anything, I must be fearless, and I don't mean brave, to be brave is still to be full of fears. > > Now, since this miserable world seemingly is not able to > provide this, :-) I accept that I am trapped in a cage of fear. HMMM...YOU POOR THING...YOU ARE NOT TRAPPED AT ALL :-), YOUVE WALKED INTO IT AND ITS A NICE CAGE WITH GOLDEN HUES OF FEARS SMILING DOWN BENIGNLY AT SLAVE ANDERS..CONFORTABLE ISNT IT? ....LETS TALK ABOUT YOUR CAGE..CONCEPTUALLY YOU WANT TO STAY THERE. YOU LIKE YOUR CAGE OF FEARS AND ITS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO ATTEMPT GETTING OVER THEM. YOU KNOW WHY? BECASUE TACKLING YOUR FEARS WOULD UNEARTH LOTS OF GHOSTS ..AND HMMM WHAT DO THESE GHOSTS BRING ..SHIT!!! MORE FEAR :-) I CAN UNDERSTAND ANDERS, STAY SAFE IN THE CAGE..ITS SO PRETTY AND PEACEFUL ..ISNT IT? When Yes, fear is a bottomless pit it seems, but fear can only exist in relation to a 'me' - they go together. Desires are also a kind of fear. This is easy to see when we scrutinize what desire is. A desire is something we *know* would make us feel good. So, why is desire fear? The answer is that desire is a fear that the universe or God is incapable of knowing what we want. Desire is the fear that God or the universe will not be able to fulfill me, so I must desire and strive or hope to fulfill that desire. Fear including desire cannot exist without a 'me'. And a 'me', or what we also call the ego, can hardly survive without fear and desire - they go together. > I do this, when I actually accept that my life is not good enough, > that in fact my life is pathetic, then there is a dawn of tremendous > peace and clarity. IS THERE REALLY? YOU DID SAY IN THE FIRST LINE THAT YOU SENSE PEACE AND CLARITY BEHIND YOUR FEARS OR DINT YOU, NOW YOU TALK OF A DAWN..COME ON THIS CAGE IS NICE..STAY THERE NO ? Peace and clarity will win in the end I hope. Behind my mask of hatred shines something that is > free from the entire manifested world and yet one with the manifested > world. The world is still pathetic, but it is beautiful seen from > clarity. Drop the hatred, which means drop your fears. Just drop it! :-) YOU MEAN WE SHOULD ALL HATE THE WORLD BECASUE WE CANT HAVE EVERYTHING FREE, BECASUE WE CANT HAVE AN INVULNERABLE BEAUTIFUL BODY WHICH WE CAN SHAPE INTO ANYTHING, THAT OUR LIFE IS PATHETIC AND THE WORLD IS PATHETIC..YES?? OK I ACCEPT ALL THAT ..AND NOW WHAT HAPPENS..SHIT ANDERS? MORE FEARS FOR ME :-( I think one must admit that one wants the world and one's life to be much better than it is, to not try to supress fantasies about a much better world, and at the same time recognize that one's own wants are very limited and that all wants are just dreams. Ordinary wants are also just dreams unless they come true, and even when they come true, life may *still* not be very satisfying. The clarity and peace I have sensed has not been related to any wants of mine. It's more like a state when what is happening in my life story becomes just that: a story based on memories and ideas about the future. A story can be fun or sad, but it is only a story. In clarity, one's life story loses its predominant importance. > > We have a choice whether we wish to be like the well-fed goose, buried underground till its neck, partaking in a rich diet, while leading a life of restricted movement, of not expending any energy and then being butchered > and served as the delicacy pate foie gras; or to live life with the fluidity of movement - that giving, receiving, loving, caring and compassion can afford. > > > oF COURSE TO DO THAT ..YOU NEED TO DROP YOUR CAGE OF FEARS...HUH! aL > Yes, the cage of fears is connected to one's life story. When the story becomes less interesting, then fear also becomes less interesting. /AL > /M > /AL > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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