Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> T: The brain is a merely a machine....It sees nothing............ P: True it's a machine, but that it doesn't see, that is just your prejudice. Where could that prejudice come from? From where all prejudice comes, the need to feel superior, special? To admit 'you' are the brain, would mean you are no better than a monkey, not divine. And who is this 'you' not wanting to be 'matter', and not wanting to be 'nothing' either? It's no other than the pseudo-entity which cleverly thinks itself to be " This " or Consciousness, or whatever other grandioze identification it has retreated to. L: Now we have a pseudo-entity which cleverly thinks that it is a brain, no better than a monkey, no divine. This pseudo entity seems to believe that this prejudice is somehow better than the other one. P: No, that's not it. The point is very easy to miss. To confront someone with the notion that the brain is the machine, which produces all mental phenomena, including consciousness, and the psudo-entity , it is just a belief challenging device. The goal is to shake loose all those beliefs in I'm...this, or...that, or ...the other, including, of course, I'm the brain. The very formula: I'm X, is flawed, It poses an " I " who equals an " X, " thereby creating a duality. In Advaita " I " can only equal " I " .As long as there is qualifying, and categorizing of perception, the open, and the undivided will not be there. L: I see. You have a goal, you want to shake loose all those beliefs in other peoples minds, and in order to do that, you treat them like idiots, and want them to believe things which you don't believe yourself. Is it possible, Pete, that your whole approach is based on a belief ? Advaita is a belief system, like any other. And all methods applied in order to reach a certain goal are a product of memory. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " > <lissbon2002> > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > T: The brain is a merely a machine....It sees nothing............ > > > P: True it's a machine, but that it doesn't see, that is just your > prejudice. Where could that prejudice come from? From where > all prejudice comes, the need to feel superior, special? > To admit 'you' are the brain, would mean you are no better than a > monkey, not divine. And who is this 'you' not wanting to be > 'matter', and not wanting to be 'nothing' either? It's no other > than the pseudo-entity which cleverly thinks itself to be " This " > or Consciousness, or whatever other grandioze identification it > has > retreated to. > > > L: Now we have a pseudo-entity which cleverly thinks that it is a > brain, > no better than a monkey, no divine. > This pseudo entity seems to believe that this prejudice is somehow > better than the other one. > > > > P: No, that's not it. The point is very easy to miss. > To confront someone with the notion that the brain > is the machine, which produces all mental phenomena, > including consciousness, and the psudo-entity , it > is just a belief challenging device. The goal is to > shake loose all those beliefs in I'm...this, > or...that, or ...the other, including, of course, > I'm the brain. > The very formula: I'm X, is flawed, > It poses an " I " who equals an " X, " thereby creating > a duality. In Advaita " I " can only equal " I " .As long > as there is qualifying, and categorizing of perception, > the open, and the undivided will not be there. > > > L: I see. You have a goal, you want to shake loose all those beliefs > in other peoples minds, and in order to do that, you treat them like > idiots, and want them to believe things which you don't believe > yourself. > Is it possible, Pete, that your whole approach is based on a belief ? > Advaita is a belief system, like any other. > And all methods applied in order to reach a certain goal are a > product of memory. > > Len Hi Len, Your conclusion that I treat people like idiots is not only unfounded, but shows hostility on your part. Where is that hostility coming from? I don't want people to believe anything. I just want them to consider the fact that just because they change their way of thinking, reality doesn't change to accommodate their opinions. When Fox believed in Unicity, it didn't make all objects one. When he changed his mind, unicity did not disappear. When people believed consciousness was produced by the heart, the brain didn't pump blood. Now that must people believe consciousness is a product of the brain, consciousness remains unchanged. That the brain produces consciousness could be verified by any anesthetic. Is either belief conducive to liberation? Not in the least. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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