Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Hi all, What strikes me about the brain, as well as the structure/function of the body, and the genetic DNA, is that all of these things are symbolic of each other. In other words, what science has discovered about neuroscience incl. the different parts of the brain and what occurs there, corresponds with body structure, and other body systems,endocrine system, etc., as well as various traits, thoughts, emotions and general responses to life. It has been found that the shape of the skull, the slope and angles of it, as well as the features like how the eyes, ears, nose, chin are set, and bone structure, correlate with specific patterns of behavior in life. The genetic DNA is completely unique in each " individual " , and this is what accounts for the myriad perceptions and interpretations of experience. The genetic DNA determines 'most' of the responses to life, and the belief systems which we learn and pick up along the way, influences, modifies or inhibits the rest. Contrary to what many on the spirituality lists might believe, there are benefits to both the instinctive individuality (innate) and the belief systems. As we know, belief systems are always changing. What we believed about anything ten years ago is not necessarily and most likely not, what we believe about the same thing right now. Everything seems to flow a lot better when I know which or which combination serves the particular purpose best in any situation. Then there isn't any real 'thinking' or deliberation about it, everything just seems to automatically click into place and it simply happens. Both the innate and the belief systems are balanced with wisdom. But we all know the belief systems' image of reality can sometimes overpower the situation, and this stems usually from fear and self-doubt. Each individual manifestation is completely unique in its genetic structures and in its experience of life. So, another's instinctive behavior is what is right for that person...even though it may not suit another's belief of what constitutes correct or incorrect behavior. No one in the world has exactly the same life-experience. Everyone experiences life on their own terms. I have my behavioral patterns, you have yours. I respond to life one way, your way may be different. For the same reason, it's almost impossible for someone to accurately convey their experience of anything to anybody else. One can talk " about " it, but so what? No two have exactly the same DNA and brain determined behavior, and beliefs, so no two can respond exactly alike, nor really understand or experience the same exact thing. Just as no else has exactly the same fingerprints or shape of ear as you do, no two persons has exactly the same response to life. Of course, we can compare notes, and things can sound pretty darn identical, but they are not. This is in part why it is futile to put stock in an across-the-board experience called " enlightenment " and specific ways to achieve it. You are that you are. I am that I am. love, freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Kip: my 2 cents What strikes me about the brain, as well as the structure/function of the body, and the genetic DNA, is that all of these things are symbolic of each other. Kip: I'm not sure what you mean by saying " symbolic " In other words, what science has discovered about neuroscience incl. the different parts of the brain and what occurs there, corresponds with body structure, and other body systems,endocrine system, etc., as well as various traits, thoughts, emotions and general responses to life. Kip: Yes! It has been found that the shape of the skull, the slope and angles of it, as well as the features like how the eyes, ears, nose, chin are set, and bone structure, correlate with specific patterns of behavior in life. Kip: Really? The genetic DNA is completely unique in each " individual " , and this is what accounts for the myriad perceptions and interpretations of experience. Kip: Not only our DNA; our experiences and conditionings, too The genetic DNA determines 'most' of the responses to life, Kip: I don't think so! and the belief systems which we learn and pick up along the way, influences, modifies or inhibits the rest. Kip: What about our conditionings? Contrary to what many on the spirituality lists might believe, there are benefits to both the instinctive individuality (innate) and the belief systems. Kip: Actually, nobody knows what's strictly innate and what not. The ego, the identity isn't, in my opinion. I share this opinion with several scientists, psychoanalysts and psychologists and do have it, on account of my experience with my kids. The experiences with my kids were actually enough for me. Belief systems are conditionings. Sure there is a benefit. As we know, belief systems are always changing. What we believed about anything ten years ago is not necessarily and most likely not, what we believe about the same thing right now. Kip: Indeed! Everything seems to flow a lot better when I know which or which combination serves the particular purpose best in any situation. Then there isn't any real 'thinking' or deliberation about it, everything just seems to automatically click into place and it simply happens. Kip: That's what Balsekar calls " vertically thinking " Both the innate and the belief systems are balanced with wisdom. Kip: Sometimes, yes! But we all know the belief systems' image of reality can sometimes overpower the situation, and this stems usually from fear and self-doubt. Kip: Indeed! Each individual manifestation is completely unique in its genetic structures and in its experience of life. Kip: Yes! So, another's instinctive behavior is what is right for that person...even though it may not suit another's belief of what constitutes correct or incorrect behavior. Kip: I wouldn't call that instinctive behaviour. Just, different conditionings. No one in the world has exactly the same life-experience. Everyone experiences life on their own terms. I have my behavioral patterns, you have yours. I respond to life one way, your way may be different. Kip: Exactly! That's why communication can be so marvellous…..we can learn from each other. For the same reason, it's almost impossible for someone to accurately convey their experience of anything to anybody else. Kip: Yes! You are for yourself what you experience at this moment. That's what my teacher told me. One can talk " about " it, but so what? No two have exactly the same DNA and brain determined behavior, and beliefs, so no two can respond exactly alike, nor really understand or experience the same exact thing. Kip: Indeed! Just as no else has exactly the same fingerprints or shape of ear as you do, no two persons has exactly the same response to life. Of course, we can compare notes, and things can sound pretty darn identical, but they are not. Kip: Yes! This is in part why it is futile to put stock in an across-the-board experience called " enlightenment " and specific ways to achieve it. Kip: I make a difference between realization and " enlightenment " . One day I realized that I didn't care about enlightenment anymore and, simultaneously, I recognized the meaning of enlightenment. We can help each other on our way to realization and the notion of enlightenment is as indispensable and unthinkable as an ocean without salt. You are that you are. I am that I am. Kip: a mountain is a mountain, the sea is the sea….... Love Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > Hi all, > > What strikes me about the brain, > as well as the structure/function of the body, > and the genetic DNA, is that all of these > things are symbolic of each other. > > In other words, what science has discovered > about neuroscience incl. the different parts of the brain > and what occurs there, corresponds with > body structure, and other body systems,endocrine system, > etc., as well as various traits, > thoughts, emotions and general responses > to life. > > It has been found that > the shape of the skull, the slope and angles > of it, as well as the features like how the eyes, > ears, nose, chin are set, and bone structure, correlate > with specific patterns of behavior in life. > > The genetic DNA is completely unique in > each " individual " , and this is what > accounts for the myriad perceptions > and interpretations of experience. > > The genetic DNA determines 'most' of the > responses to life, and the belief systems > which we learn and pick up along the way, > influences, modifies or inhibits the rest. > Contrary to what many > on the spirituality lists might believe, > there are benefits to both the instinctive > individuality (innate) and the belief systems. > As we know, belief systems are always changing. > What we believed about anything ten years ago is not > necessarily and most likely not, what we > believe about the same thing right now. > > Everything seems to flow a lot better > when I know which or which combination > serves the > particular purpose best in any situation. > Then there isn't any real 'thinking' > or deliberation about it, > everything just seems to automatically click > into place and it simply happens. > Both the innate and the belief systems > are balanced with wisdom. But we all know > the belief systems' image of reality can > sometimes overpower the situation, and this > stems usually from fear and self-doubt. > > > Each individual manifestation is completely unique > in its genetic structures and in > its experience of life. > So, another's instinctive behavior is > what is right for that person...even though > it may not suit another's belief of what > constitutes correct or incorrect behavior. > > > No one in the world has exactly the same > life-experience. Everyone experiences life > on their own terms. I have my behavioral > patterns, you have yours. I respond to life > one way, your way may be different. > > For the same reason, it's almost impossible > for someone to accurately convey their > experience of anything to anybody else. > One can talk " about " it, but so what? > No two have exactly the same DNA and brain > determined behavior, and beliefs, so no two can respond > exactly alike, nor really understand or > experience the same exact thing. > > Just as no else has exactly the same > fingerprints or shape of ear as you do, > no two persons has exactly the same response > to life. Of course, we can compare notes, > and things can sound pretty darn identical, > but they are not. > > This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > an across-the-board experience called > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > achieve it. > > You are that you are. I am that I am. > > love, > > freyja hi Freyja, Hum? I believe what you just said. but this: This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > an across-the-board experience called > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > achieve it. > > You are that you are. I am that I am. What do you mean? Thanks! Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > What strikes me about the brain, > > as well as the structure/function of the body, > > and the genetic DNA, is that all of these > > things are symbolic of each other. > > > > In other words, what science has discovered > > about neuroscience incl. the different parts of the brain > > and what occurs there, corresponds with > > body structure, and other body systems,endocrine system, > > etc., as well as various traits, > > thoughts, emotions and general responses > > to life. > > > > It has been found that > > the shape of the skull, the slope and angles > > of it, as well as the features like how the eyes, > > ears, nose, chin are set, and bone structure, correlate > > with specific patterns of behavior in life. > > > > The genetic DNA is completely unique in > > each " individual " , and this is what > > accounts for the myriad perceptions > > and interpretations of experience. > > > > The genetic DNA determines 'most' of the > > responses to life, and the belief systems > > which we learn and pick up along the way, > > influences, modifies or inhibits the rest. > > Contrary to what many > > on the spirituality lists might believe, > > there are benefits to both the instinctive > > individuality (innate) and the belief systems. > > As we know, belief systems are always changing. > > What we believed about anything ten years ago is not > > necessarily and most likely not, what we > > believe about the same thing right now. > > > > Everything seems to flow a lot better > > when I know which or which combination > > serves the > > particular purpose best in any situation. > > Then there isn't any real 'thinking' > > or deliberation about it, > > everything just seems to automatically click > > into place and it simply happens. > > Both the innate and the belief systems > > are balanced with wisdom. But we all know > > the belief systems' image of reality can > > sometimes overpower the situation, and this > > stems usually from fear and self-doubt. > > > > > > Each individual manifestation is completely unique > > in its genetic structures and in > > its experience of life. > > So, another's instinctive behavior is > > what is right for that person...even though > > it may not suit another's belief of what > > constitutes correct or incorrect behavior. > > > > > > No one in the world has exactly the same > > life-experience. Everyone experiences life > > on their own terms. I have my behavioral > > patterns, you have yours. I respond to life > > one way, your way may be different. > > > > For the same reason, it's almost impossible > > for someone to accurately convey their > > experience of anything to anybody else. > > One can talk " about " it, but so what? > > No two have exactly the same DNA and brain > > determined behavior, and beliefs, so no two can respond > > exactly alike, nor really understand or > > experience the same exact thing. > > > > Just as no else has exactly the same > > fingerprints or shape of ear as you do, > > no two persons has exactly the same response > > to life. Of course, we can compare notes, > > and things can sound pretty darn identical, > > but they are not. > > > > This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > > an across-the-board experience called > > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > > achieve it. > > > > You are that you are. I am that I am. > > > > love, > > > > freyja > > hi Freyja, > > Hum? > I believe what you just said. > but this: > This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > > an across-the-board experience called > > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > > achieve it. > > > > You are that you are. I am that I am. > > What do you mean? > > Thanks! > Alberto, ciao, Alberto, benvenuto! You ask, what do I mean? Maybe this is as simple (and simple is good) as I can put it: There is never, ever, nor was there ever, any separation, no matter how convincing the stories are. OK? ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > Kip: my 2 cents > Hello Kip, > > What strikes me about the brain, > as well as the structure/function of the body, > and the genetic DNA, is that all of these > things are symbolic of each other. > > > Kip: I'm not sure what you mean by saying " symbolic " > F: It looks like you saw what I meant below > > In other words, what science has discovered > about neuroscience incl. the different parts of the brain > and what occurs there, corresponds with > body structure, and other body systems,endocrine system, > etc., as well as various traits, > thoughts, emotions and general responses > to life. > > Kip: Yes! > > It has been found that > the shape of the skull, the slope and angles > of it, as well as the features like how the eyes, > ears, nose, chin are set, and bone structure, correlate > with specific patterns of behavior in life. > > Kip: Really? > F: yes, from something called 'behavioral genetics'. more theories. > The genetic DNA is completely unique in > each " individual " , and this is what > accounts for the myriad perceptions > and interpretations of experience. > > Kip: Not only our DNA; our experiences and conditionings, too > F: Yes > The genetic DNA determines 'most' of the > responses to life, > > Kip: I don't think so! > > and the belief systems > which we learn and pick up along the way, > influences, modifies or inhibits the rest. > > Kip: What about our conditionings? > F: it is similar to belief systems...continuous processing affects and alters what is there, in terms of habits, etc., and simultaneously what was there affects the new incoming elements > Contrary to what many > on the spirituality lists might believe, > there are benefits to both the instinctive > individuality (innate) and the belief systems. > > > Kip: Actually, nobody knows what's strictly innate and what not. The > ego, the identity isn't, in my opinion. I share this opinion with > several scientists, psychoanalysts and psychologists and do have it, > on account of my experience with my kids. The experiences with my > kids were actually enough for me. Belief systems are conditionings. > Sure there is a benefit. > > > As we know, belief systems are always changing. > What we believed about anything ten years ago is not > necessarily and most likely not, what we > believe about the same thing right now. > > Kip: Indeed! > > Everything seems to flow a lot better > when I know which or which combination > serves the particular purpose best in any situation. > Then there isn't any real 'thinking' > or deliberation about it, > everything just seems to automatically click > into place and it simply happens. > > Kip: That's what Balsekar calls " vertically thinking " > > Both the innate and the belief systems > are balanced with wisdom. > > Kip: Sometimes, yes! > > But we all know the belief systems' image of reality can > sometimes overpower the situation, and this > stems usually from fear and self-doubt. > > Kip: Indeed! > > > Each individual manifestation is completely unique > in its genetic structures and in its experience of life. > > Kip: Yes! > > So, another's instinctive behavior is > what is right for that person...even though > it may not suit another's belief of what > constitutes correct or incorrect behavior. > > Kip: I wouldn't call that instinctive behaviour. Just, different > conditionings. > F: Maybe it is basically the same thing. > > No one in the world has exactly the same > life-experience. Everyone experiences life > on their own terms. I have my behavioral > patterns, you have yours. I respond to life > one way, your way may be different. > > Kip: Exactly! That's why communication can be so marvellous…..we can > learn from each other. > F: I agree > For the same reason, it's almost impossible > for someone to accurately convey their > experience of anything to anybody else. > > Kip: Yes! You are for yourself what you experience at this moment. > That's what my teacher told me. > > One can talk " about " it, but so what? > No two have exactly the same DNA and brain > determined behavior, and beliefs, so no two can respond > exactly alike, nor really understand or > experience the same exact thing. > > Kip: Indeed! > > Just as no else has exactly the same > fingerprints or shape of ear as you do, > no two persons has exactly the same response > to life. Of course, we can compare notes, > and things can sound pretty darn identical, > but they are not. > > Kip: Yes! > > This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > an across-the-board experience called > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > achieve it. > > Kip: I make a difference between realization and " enlightenment " . One > day I realized that I didn't care about enlightenment anymore and, > simultaneously, I recognized the meaning of enlightenment. We can > help each other on our way to realization and the notion of > enlightenment is as indispensable and unthinkable as an ocean without > salt. > F: Yes, I hear you. > You are that you are. I am that I am. > > Kip: a mountain is a mountain, the sea is the sea….... > Thank you for your kind response, Kip, :-) ~freyja > > Love > > Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " > > <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > What strikes me about the brain, > > > as well as the structure/function of the body, > > > and the genetic DNA, is that all of these > > > things are symbolic of each other. > > > > > > In other words, what science has discovered > > > about neuroscience incl. the different parts of the brain > > > and what occurs there, corresponds with > > > body structure, and other body systems,endocrine system, > > > etc., as well as various traits, > > > thoughts, emotions and general responses > > > to life. > > > > > > It has been found that > > > the shape of the skull, the slope and angles > > > of it, as well as the features like how the eyes, > > > ears, nose, chin are set, and bone structure, correlate > > > with specific patterns of behavior in life. > > > > > > The genetic DNA is completely unique in > > > each " individual " , and this is what > > > accounts for the myriad perceptions > > > and interpretations of experience. > > > > > > The genetic DNA determines 'most' of the > > > responses to life, and the belief systems > > > which we learn and pick up along the way, > > > influences, modifies or inhibits the rest. > > > Contrary to what many > > > on the spirituality lists might believe, > > > there are benefits to both the instinctive > > > individuality (innate) and the belief systems. > > > As we know, belief systems are always changing. > > > What we believed about anything ten years ago is not > > > necessarily and most likely not, what we > > > believe about the same thing right now. > > > > > > Everything seems to flow a lot better > > > when I know which or which combination > > > serves the > > > particular purpose best in any situation. > > > Then there isn't any real 'thinking' > > > or deliberation about it, > > > everything just seems to automatically click > > > into place and it simply happens. > > > Both the innate and the belief systems > > > are balanced with wisdom. But we all know > > > the belief systems' image of reality can > > > sometimes overpower the situation, and this > > > stems usually from fear and self-doubt. > > > > > > > > > Each individual manifestation is completely unique > > > in its genetic structures and in > > > its experience of life. > > > So, another's instinctive behavior is > > > what is right for that person...even though > > > it may not suit another's belief of what > > > constitutes correct or incorrect behavior. > > > > > > > > > No one in the world has exactly the same > > > life-experience. Everyone experiences life > > > on their own terms. I have my behavioral > > > patterns, you have yours. I respond to life > > > one way, your way may be different. > > > > > > For the same reason, it's almost impossible > > > for someone to accurately convey their > > > experience of anything to anybody else. > > > One can talk " about " it, but so what? > > > No two have exactly the same DNA and brain > > > determined behavior, and beliefs, so no two can respond > > > exactly alike, nor really understand or > > > experience the same exact thing. > > > > > > Just as no else has exactly the same > > > fingerprints or shape of ear as you do, > > > no two persons has exactly the same response > > > to life. Of course, we can compare notes, > > > and things can sound pretty darn identical, > > > but they are not. > > > > > > This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > > > an across-the-board experience called > > > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > > > achieve it. > > > > > > You are that you are. I am that I am. > > > > > > love, > > > > > > freyja > > > > hi Freyja, > > > > Hum? > > I believe what you just said. > > but this: > > This is in part why it is futile to put stock in > > > an across-the-board experience called > > > " enlightenment " and specific ways to > > > achieve it. > > > > > > You are that you are. I am that I am. > > > > What do you mean? > > > > Thanks! > > Alberto, > > > ciao, Alberto, > > benvenuto! > > You ask, what do I mean? > > Maybe this is as simple (and simple is good) as I > can put it: > > There is never, ever, nor was there > ever, any separation, no matter how > convincing the stories are. > > OK? > > ~freyja :0) Thanks, I understand! But why did Sandeep said that I'm not I Am? He said not even that! Did he ment the emptyness of the self? What is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum? You said I am that I am! Isn't this the final Realisation! Thanks! Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hello, Alberto > You ask, what do I mean? > > Maybe this is as simple (and simple is good) as I > can put it: > > There is never, ever, nor was there > ever, any separation, no matter how > convincing the stories are. > > OK? > > ~freyja <<:0) Thanks, I understand! But why did Sandeep said that I'm not I Am?>> Did you ask Sandeep? Since he said it, he would be the one to ask. <<He said not even that! Did he ment the emptyness of the self?>> What is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum?>> I don't know what you mean by 'more than'. Anything material, including thoughts, is not permanent. <<You said I am that I am! Isn't this the final Realisation!>> No thought is permanent. ~freyja Thanks! Alberto,>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 > Hi freyja thanks for talking to me after the stupid things I said! Thanks! :0) Yes I asked Sandeep! Never replyed. You said in one of your post I am that I am! Which I aggred. But Sandeep wrote to me not even that! not even I am!. So I thought that maybe you knew what he ment.! that is all! But I don t want to now. It is ok. Thanks. :0) So I take two minutes to answer you kind reply! :0) > > <<He said ( sandeep) not even that! Did he ment the emptyness of the self?>> > What > is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum?>> > > Alb; We will see about that another time! :0) > I don't know what you mean by 'more than'. > Alb, more then; well what I meant is, that there is more to clean or to understand. or to see. etc. :0) > Anything material, including thoughts, is not > permanent. (true) alb, Alb; non-thought is a state. While we are not a state! > > <<You said I am that I am! Isn't this the final Realisation!>> > > No thought is permanent. Alb; no-thought is a state which is not permanent. As in Sahaj samadhi the person doesn t think. That doesn t mean that he doesn t see or cant smile. he is there! While in deep sleep the consciousness is no more. phenomenon disapears, just the absolute which is Us is there. > So when I said more than, I meant more them consciousness or prior to consciousness is the absolute. Unmanifested. pure. absolutly unknowable from consciousness point of view.. with love, Albertino, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Hi freyja > > thanks for talking to me after the stupid things I said! Thanks! :0) > > Yes I asked Sandeep! Never replyed. > > You said in one of your post I am that I am! Which I aggred. But > Sandeep wrote to me not even that! not even I am!. So I thought > that maybe you knew what he ment.! that is all! But I don t want to > now. It is ok. Thanks. :0) > So I take two minutes to answer you kind reply! :0) > > > > <<He said ( sandeep) not even that! Did he ment the emptyness of > the self?>> > > What > > is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum?>> Nisargadatta tells us the that " I am " is the door through which we enter the world.....and that it can be used as a doorway into the apperception of the sages......He says that it is only a door....a tool....and not the ulitmate..............anything beyond the I am...is unapproachable to the I-am-ness............ ..............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing beyond the door............... kinda scary...............huh? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > Hi freyja > > > > thanks for talking to me after the stupid things I said! > Thanks! :0) > > > > Yes I asked Sandeep! Never replyed. > > > > You said in one of your post I am that I am! Which I aggred. But > > Sandeep wrote to me not even that! not even I am!. So I thought > > that maybe you knew what he ment.! that is all! But I don t want > to > > now. It is ok. Thanks. :0) > > So I take two minutes to answer you kind reply! :0) > > > > > > <<He said ( sandeep) not even that! Did he ment the emptyness of > > the self?>> > > > What > > > is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum?>> > > > > Nisargadatta tells us the that " I am " is the door through which we > enter the world.....and that it can be used as a doorway into the > apperception of the sages......He says that it is only a door....a > tool....and not the ulitmate..............anything beyond > the I am...is unapproachable to the I-am-ness............ > > .............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing beyond > the door............... > > > kinda scary...............huh? > > > toombaru Hi Toombaru! Thank you! You know, I have kids too fou,r of them! I love them soo much. You can Imagine hein? That is why I can understand you soo much! My little girl is 4 years old and she goes to school! And I hug her soo hard!! :0) Don't think, I am not talking about what you just said above I'm absolutely talking about what is above but who sees that? Very few people you see. Because the illusion is to strong if we can say illusion. But I think it is my duty ( our duty ) for those who seeks true understanding or God or Truth to investigate more and more until the final undertanding! I can compare one master to the other. Maybe they say the same things maybe not. It matter only to the person who is asking the question or looks for something. To see clearly I need to separate what is true from what is un-true, Etc. Which is the famous not this, not that! anyway! :0) We need standards to understand better, what is going on! And in the spiritual path the Masters all always been there. To tell us what they did and what they understood! They, they, they. They meaning men. not God! You said in one of you posting to pete that if someone would materialise one million dollars on your desk right now. You would believe. Your answer was authentic and with a lot of meanings. I too though about that you know. But you know what... I think that God doesn't play that kind of game! That is why I'm still waiting that million dollars on my desk! :0)) We do need to understand something. We are not playing God! God plays us!! Isn'it funny! no? Even Ironiq? We absolutly must understand that it is not the tail of the dog that makes the Dog moves. It is the dog that moves as he wants " US " the dogs tail !! ha ha! Unbelievable! The Masters are a standard not the Truth it self. When I kiss my little girl with all my heart and love. Where is the bouddha! Is the bouddha just another tought for me to feel good again. or the bouddha or the masters are some thing different? ..............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing beyond > the door............... Without playing I say: Who says that there is nothing beyond the door is it wei wu wei? or is it wei wu wei's consciousness? There is a huge difference there?? Huge! Consciousness can't enter that!!! But That my friend " That " can certainly enter consciousness. That is consciousness. That is why Masters of the 7th stage of life say, I Am " That " !!! :0) respectfully! Albertino, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Hi freyja > > > > > > thanks for talking to me after the stupid things I said! > > Thanks! :0) > > > > > > Yes I asked Sandeep! Never replyed. > > > > > > You said in one of your post I am that I am! Which I aggred. But > > > Sandeep wrote to me not even that! not even I am!. So I > thought > > > that maybe you knew what he ment.! that is all! But I don t want > > to > > > now. It is ok. Thanks. :0) > > > So I take two minutes to answer you kind reply! :0) > > > > > > > > <<He said ( sandeep) not even that! Did he ment the emptyness > of > > > the self?>> > > > > What > > > > is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum?>> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us the that " I am " is the door through which we > > enter the world.....and that it can be used as a doorway into the > > apperception of the sages......He says that it is only a door....a > > tool....and not the ulitmate..............anything beyond > > the I am...is unapproachable to the I-am-ness............ > > > > .............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing > beyond > > the door............... > > > > > > kinda scary...............huh? > > > > > > toombaru > > Hi Toombaru! > Thank you! You know, I have kids too fou,r of them! I love them soo > much. You can Imagine hein? That is why I can understand you soo > much! My little girl is 4 years old and she goes to school! And I > hug her soo hard!! :0) Don't think, I am not talking about what you > just said above I'm absolutely talking about what is above but who > sees that? Very few people you see. Because the illusion is to > strong if we can say illusion. But I think it is my duty ( our > duty ) for those who seeks true understanding or God or Truth to > investigate more and more until the final undertanding! I can > compare one master to the other. Maybe they say the same things > maybe not. It matter only to the person who is asking the question > or looks for something. To see clearly I need to separate what is > true from what is un-true, Etc. Which is the famous not this, not > that! anyway! :0) > > We need standards to understand better, what is going on! > And in the spiritual path the Masters all always been there. To > tell us what they did and what they understood! They, they, they. > They meaning men. not God! You said in one of you posting to pete > that if someone would materialise one million dollars on your desk > right now. You would believe. Your answer was authentic and with a > lot of meanings. I too though about that you know. But you know > what... I think that God doesn't play that kind of game! That is why > I'm still waiting that million dollars on my desk! :0)) We do need > to understand something. We are not playing God! God plays us!! > Isn'it funny! no? Even Ironiq? We absolutly must understand that it > is not the tail of the dog that makes the Dog moves. It is the dog > that moves as he wants " US " the dogs tail !! ha ha! Unbelievable! > > The Masters are a standard not the Truth it self. When I kiss my > little girl with all my heart and love. Where is the bouddha! Is the > bouddha just another tought for me to feel good again. or the > bouddha or the masters are some thing different? > > .............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing beyond > > the door............... > > Without playing I say: Who says that there is nothing beyond the > door is it wei wu wei? or is it wei wu wei's consciousness? > > There is a huge difference there?? Huge! Consciousness can't enter > that!!! But That my friend " That " can certainly enter consciousness. > That is consciousness. > > That is why Masters of the 7th stage of life say, > > I Am " That " !!! :0) > > respectfully! > Albertino, ****************************************** Does this makes sense to you guys? :0) Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > Hi freyja > > > > > > > > thanks for talking to me after the stupid things I said! > > > Thanks! :0) > > > > > > > > Yes I asked Sandeep! Never replyed. > > > > > > > > You said in one of your post I am that I am! Which I aggred. > But > > > > Sandeep wrote to me not even that! not even I am!. So I > > thought > > > > that maybe you knew what he ment.! that is all! But I don t > want > > > to > > > > now. It is ok. Thanks. :0) > > > > So I take two minutes to answer you kind reply! :0) > > > > > > > > > > <<He said ( sandeep) not even that! Did he ment the > emptyness > > of > > > > the self?>> > > > > > What > > > > > is there more the I am? Can you tell me? Hum?>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us the that " I am " is the door through which > we > > > enter the world.....and that it can be used as a doorway into > the > > > apperception of the sages......He says that it is only a > door....a > > > tool....and not the ulitmate..............anything beyond > > > the I am...is unapproachable to the I-am-ness............ > > > > > > .............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing > > beyond > > > the door............... > > > > > > > > > kinda scary...............huh? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Hi Toombaru! > > Thank you! You know, I have kids too fou,r of them! I love them > soo > > much. You can Imagine hein? That is why I can understand you soo > > much! My little girl is 4 years old and she goes to school! And I > > hug her soo hard!! :0) Don't think, I am not talking about what > you > > just said above I'm absolutely talking about what is above but who > > sees that? Very few people you see. Because the illusion is to > > strong if we can say illusion. But I think it is my duty ( our > > duty ) for those who seeks true understanding or God or Truth to > > investigate more and more until the final undertanding! I can > > compare one master to the other. Maybe they say the same things > > maybe not. It matter only to the person who is asking the question > > or looks for something. To see clearly I need to separate what is > > true from what is un-true, Etc. Which is the famous not this, not > > that! anyway! :0) > > > > We need standards to understand better, what is going on! > > And in the spiritual path the Masters all always been there. To > > tell us what they did and what they understood! They, they, they. > > They meaning men. not God! You said in one of you posting to pete > > that if someone would materialise one million dollars on your desk > > right now. You would believe. Your answer was authentic and with a > > lot of meanings. I too though about that you know. But you know > > what... I think that God doesn't play that kind of game! That is > why > > I'm still waiting that million dollars on my desk! :0)) We do need > > to understand something. We are not playing God! God plays us!! > > Isn'it funny! no? Even Ironiq? We absolutly must understand that > it > > is not the tail of the dog that makes the Dog moves. It is the dog > > that moves as he wants " US " the dogs tail !! ha ha! Unbelievable! > > > > The Masters are a standard not the Truth it self. When I kiss my > > little girl with all my heart and love. Where is the bouddha! Is > the > > bouddha just another tought for me to feel good again. or the > > bouddha or the masters are some thing different? > > > > .............Wei Wu Wei........asserts that there is nothing > beyond > > > the door............... > > > > Without playing I say: Who says that there is nothing beyond the > > door is it wei wu wei? or is it wei wu wei's consciousness? > > > > There is a huge difference there?? Huge! Consciousness can't enter > > that!!! But That my friend " That " can certainly enter > consciousness. > > That is consciousness. > > > > That is why Masters of the 7th stage of life say, > > > > I Am " That " !!! :0) > > > > respectfully! > > Albertino, > ****************************************** > Does this makes sense to you guys? > > :0) > Alberto, :0) you guys hate me or don't understand what I mean! :0) What it mean Toombaru is, it is " That " that becomes consciousness, " that " becomes toughts ,body, soul experiences manifestation illusion suffring etc. That means that the Truth is not only " That " which we do not see. What is beyond the door that we cannot know with our consciousness. The role of Consciousness is to be aware of not to be. To be is that. You cannot know being you can only being as in deep sleep. " that " it means " that " or Truth, or the absolute which we cannot see because beyond the door. That absolute is and incarnates every things and gives life and give life and authenticity to all manifestations, all. Without " that " there is no consciousness nothing! As some of you said. The body is not alive without consciousness. But consciousness is not alive without " that " or God as Nisargadatta said. So, what does it change in my life? Well every single thing in my life. Well, as a spiritual seeker. Because what this mean Toombaru is That you asked God to send you one million dollars on your desk and you would believe. But go now if you truly understand what it means go see yourself in the bathroom's mirror and what you will see Toom, is not the god's money but God it self! You never seen God did you well take a long good look at you you'll see that God can smile tii!!!:0) You are That which you are looking for, This time manifested, clear as cristal, go to hug your wife and say to her. While I was trying to understand God and everything I was missing everything. Tell her I finaly found you dear, I finaly found me! And there is not as you said before, any bla bla that any tought or any meditation can change to that. " that " is us all " with Love, Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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