Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 There is a Toom clone in another list. True, his twin is more eloquent, and verbose, but the ideas are almost identical, and the puntuation is the same. Someone should sue Sandeep for spreading the dreaded... ) See below. And see Dan Berkow's excellent rebuttal. These guys think that having the right concepts is the same as being liberated. They should be singing with Elvis: " I'm caught in a trap. I can't get out, because I love thinking am Da... " One, " baby. " bryn merlin " <brynmerlin@h...> wrote: > If you see why all is one means no separation including no separate pete or bryn:- who is there to seek ? now or later ? there is no separate person who can pay attention. what you know or conclude, or what you are interested in is not you knowing, concluding or being interested there is no moment, very or otherwise, past, or future there is no separate perception there is no separate true nature or face anyone who can rummage in dumpheaps or mirages. what there is.......if all is one................is oneness..............manifesting as the illusion of separation including all the above............for no reason............ The unmanifested, oneness, is nothing....there are no reasons, knowing, or moments there............there is no 'there'.............such things arise only in the illusion of separation can you really not see why this would be so ?.........and why this means liberation from the prison of the separate self and unicity with all ?............totally united with the nothing that is the unmanifested because, like everything, we are it manifested...........there is only it.............there is nothing outside it to be separate from it..............its impossible not to be it..................you cant have a day off It often arises that oneness is not extended to include ourselves, which of course it does (what else is there for us to be ?).................but when it is seen that oneness includes us, that we are also not separate in any way............it is seen that there is not a separate person doing the seeing...........that the seeing itself is oneness seeing........seeing itself....................in fact all seeing is oneness seeing itself (there is nothing else to see or be seen) but its not realized as such because oneness also manifests as an idea in the mind that weare separate people ( for no reason) ................but oneness seeing itself as oneness is with the blindfold off.......so to speak !!! Oneness does not want this to be realized.............it doesnt want anything................ it is already immaculate..................nevertheless it arises as this and posted it to itself without any meaning whatsoever. ****** Dan: Bryn,what do all your questions and assertions amount to? Something that Bryn wants to tell people. Yet, Bryn says there are no people, and nothing to be told. Yet, Bryn has quite a lot to ask and tell. Amazing things, these conceptual entities that develop the concept that there are no conceptual entities! So much they have to say about how there is no one to say anything and nothing to say! Thanks for the entertainment! Enjoying it! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > There is a Toom clone in another list. True, his > twin is more eloquent, and verbose, but the ideas > are almost identical, and the puntuation is the same. > Someone should sue Sandeep for spreading the dreaded... ) > > See below. And see Dan Berkow's excellent rebuttal. > These guys think that having the right concepts is the > same as being liberated. They should be singing with > Elvis: " I'm caught in a trap. I can't get out, because > I love thinking am Da... " One, " baby. > > " bryn merlin " > <brynmerlin@h...> wrote: > > If you see why all is one means no separation including no separate > pete or bryn:- > > > who is there to seek ? now or later ? > > there is no separate person who can pay attention. > > what you know or conclude, or what you are interested in is not you > knowing, concluding or being interested > > there is no moment, very or otherwise, past, or future > > there is no separate perception > > there is no separate true nature or face > > anyone who can rummage in dumpheaps or mirages. > > what there is.......if all is one................is > oneness..............manifesting as the illusion of separation > including all the above............for no reason............ The > unmanifested, oneness, is nothing....there are no reasons, knowing, > or moments there............there is no 'there'.............such > things arise only in the illusion of separation > > can you really not see why this would be so ?.........and why this > means liberation from the prison of the separate self and unicity > with all ?............totally united with the nothing that is the > unmanifested because, like everything, we are it > manifested...........there is only it.............there is nothing > outside it to be separate from it..............its impossible not to > be it..................you cant have a day off > > It often arises that oneness is not extended to include ourselves, > which of course it does (what else is there for us to > be ?).................but when it is seen that oneness includes us, > that we are also not separate in any way............it is seen that > there is not a separate person doing the seeing...........that the > seeing itself is oneness seeing........seeing > itself....................in fact all seeing is oneness seeing itself > (there is nothing else to see or be seen) but its not realized as > such because oneness also manifests as an idea in the mind that weare > separate people ( for no reason) ................but oneness > seeing itself as oneness is with the blindfold off.......so to > speak !!! > > Oneness does not want this to be realized.............it doesnt want > anything................ it is already > immaculate..................nevertheless it arises as this and posted > it to itself without any meaning whatsoever. > ****** > > Dan: Bryn,what do all your questions and assertions amount to? > > Something that Bryn wants to tell people. > > Yet, Bryn says there are no people, and nothing > to be told. > > Yet, Bryn has quite a lot to ask and tell. > > Amazing things, these conceptual entities > that develop the concept that there > are no conceptual entities! So much > they have to say about how there is > no one to say anything and nothing to say! > > Thanks for the entertainment! Enjoying it! > > -- Dan Pete, You're spending too much time reading old toombaru....... He is only using you....to plumb his own depths.......he is incapeable of seeing....or hearing anything beyond his own dream bubble..... He knows that every word......every thought that flows through him is untrue.......He probably sounds pessimistic to you......but that really isn't the case.......His life is abundant....and electric.... His family loves him....and he loves them.....Tonight he sang his two year old grandson to sleep....and they laughed so hard when they both started changing their favorite songs...replacing the normal words with things like.... " peanut butter " and " choocolate milk " .....He has far more treasure then he probably deserves....He lives in one of the most beautiful places in the world........His wife adores him....and he would die for her.............There isn't one thing he would change (even if he could...:-)....about the life lived through him. Don't pay him any more attention........He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 That sounds like Tony Parsons stuff. His accolytes ARE as crazy as Christians speaking in tongues and twice as sure of themselves. They have their own language and they LOVE to evangelise (at no one) Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > There is a Toom clone in another list. True, his > twin is more eloquent, and verbose, but the ideas > are almost identical, and the puntuation is the same. > Someone should sue Sandeep for spreading the dreaded... ) > > See below. And see Dan Berkow's excellent rebuttal. > These guys think that having the right concepts is the > same as being liberated. They should be singing with > Elvis: " I'm caught in a trap. I can't get out, because > I love thinking am Da... " One, " baby. > > " bryn merlin " > <brynmerlin@h...> wrote: > > If you see why all is one means no separation including no separate > pete or bryn:- > > > who is there to seek ? now or later ? > > there is no separate person who can pay attention. > > what you know or conclude, or what you are interested in is not you > knowing, concluding or being interested > > there is no moment, very or otherwise, past, or future > > there is no separate perception > > there is no separate true nature or face > > anyone who can rummage in dumpheaps or mirages. > > what there is.......if all is one................is > oneness..............manifesting as the illusion of separation > including all the above............for no reason............ The > unmanifested, oneness, is nothing....there are no reasons, knowing, > or moments there............there is no 'there'.............such > things arise only in the illusion of separation > > can you really not see why this would be so ?.........and why this > means liberation from the prison of the separate self and unicity > with all ?............totally united with the nothing that is the > unmanifested because, like everything, we are it > manifested...........there is only it.............there is nothing > outside it to be separate from it..............its impossible not to > be it..................you cant have a day off > > It often arises that oneness is not extended to include ourselves, > which of course it does (what else is there for us to > be ?).................but when it is seen that oneness includes us, > that we are also not separate in any way............it is seen that > there is not a separate person doing the seeing...........that the > seeing itself is oneness seeing........seeing > itself....................in fact all seeing is oneness seeing itself > (there is nothing else to see or be seen) but its not realized as > such because oneness also manifests as an idea in the mind that weare > separate people ( for no reason) ................but oneness > seeing itself as oneness is with the blindfold off.......so to > speak !!! > > Oneness does not want this to be realized.............it doesnt want > anything................ it is already > immaculate..................nevertheless it arises as this and posted > it to itself without any meaning whatsoever. > ****** > > Dan: Bryn,what do all your questions and assertions amount to? > > Something that Bryn wants to tell people. > > Yet, Bryn says there are no people, and nothing > to be told. > > Yet, Bryn has quite a lot to ask and tell. > > Amazing things, these conceptual entities > that develop the concept that there > are no conceptual entities! So much > they have to say about how there is > no one to say anything and nothing to say! > > Thanks for the entertainment! Enjoying it! > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 hey dan's answer is a classic. THE perfect rebuttal to the many " ENLIGHTENED " balsekarites moving around. i can hear it coming--- " how do you know they are not enlightened? " ... " who is asking this question? " ...... did'nt you guys know it --- IT IS ALL HAPPENING!!!! move around from relative to absolute by the flick of a button....it's sooooooooooo EASY..... Ramana Maharishi/Ramakrishna were all fools that they meditated for 10-15 years... they were PROGRAMMED so.......poor chaps!!)))) ....pure free entertainment... --- erici44 <erici44 wrote: > That sounds like Tony Parsons stuff. > > His accolytes ARE as crazy as Christians speaking in > tongues and > twice as sure of themselves. They have their own > language and they > LOVE to evangelise (at no one) Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " > <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > There is a Toom clone in another list. True, his > > twin is more eloquent, and verbose, but the ideas > > are almost identical, and the puntuation is the > same. > > Someone should sue Sandeep for spreading the > dreaded... ) > > > > See below. And see Dan Berkow's excellent > rebuttal. > > These guys think that having the right concepts is > the > > same as being liberated. They should be singing > with > > Elvis: " I'm caught in a trap. I can't get out, > because > > I love thinking am Da... " One, " baby. > > > > " bryn merlin " > > <brynmerlin@h...> wrote: > > > If you see why all is one means no separation > including no > separate > > pete or bryn:- > > > > > > who is there to seek ? now or later ? > > > > there is no separate person who can pay attention. > > > > what you know or conclude, or what you are > interested in is not you > > knowing, concluding or being interested > > > > there is no moment, very or otherwise, past, or > future > > > > there is no separate perception > > > > there is no separate true nature or face > > > > anyone who can rummage in dumpheaps or mirages. > > > > what there is.......if all is > one................is > > oneness..............manifesting as the illusion > of separation > > including all the above............for no > reason............ The > > unmanifested, oneness, is nothing....there are no > reasons, knowing, > > or moments there............there is no > 'there'.............such > > things arise only in the illusion of separation > > > > can you really not see why this would be so > ?.........and why this > > means liberation from the prison of the separate > self and unicity > > with all ?............totally united with the > nothing that is the > > unmanifested because, like everything, we are it > > manifested...........there is only > it.............there is nothing > > outside it to be separate from it..............its > impossible not to > > be it..................you cant have a day off > > > > It often arises that oneness is not extended to > include ourselves, > > which of course it does (what else is there for us > to > > be ?).................but when it is seen that > oneness includes us, > > that we are also not separate in any > way............it is seen that > > there is not a separate person doing the > seeing...........that the > > seeing itself is oneness seeing........seeing > > itself....................in fact all seeing is > oneness seeing > itself > > (there is nothing else to see or be seen) but its > not realized as > > such because oneness also manifests as an idea in > the mind that > weare > > separate people ( for no reason) > ................but oneness > > seeing itself as oneness is with the blindfold > off.......so to > > speak !!! > > > > Oneness does not want this to be > realized.............it doesnt want > > anything................ it is already > > immaculate..................nevertheless it arises > as this and > posted > > it to itself without any meaning whatsoever. > > ****** > > > > Dan: Bryn,what do all your questions and > assertions amount to? > > > > Something that Bryn wants to tell people. > > > > Yet, Bryn says there are no people, and nothing > > to be told. > > > > Yet, Bryn has quite a lot to ask and tell. > > > > Amazing things, these conceptual entities > > that develop the concept that there > > are no conceptual entities! So much > > they have to say about how there is > > no one to say anything and nothing to say! > > > > Thanks for the entertainment! Enjoying it! > > > > -- Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 --- In > > > T: Pete, > > You're spending too much time reading old toombaru....... P: Not really! You are brief, if not to the point. > > He is only using you....to plumb his own depths.......he is incapeable of seeing....or hearing anything beyond his own dream bubble..... P: There, again, is that black magic defeatist spell you cast so well. ) > > T: He knows that every word......every thought that flows through him is untrue....... P: So, why say them? If they are not true, they will mislead others. T:He probably sounds pessimistic to you......but that really isn't the case.......His life is abundant....and electric.... > His family loves him....and he loves them.....Tonight he sang his two year old grandson to sleep....and they laughed so hard when they both started changing their favorite songs...replacing the normal words with things like.... " peanut butter " and " choocolate milk " .....He has far more treasure then he probably deserves....He lives in one of the most beautiful places in the world........His wife adores him....and he would die for her.............There isn't one thing he would change (even if he could...:-)....about the life lived through him. P: I'm glad for you. But understand that, that came about because the way you lived, and not because you thought the right nondual thoughts. Christians, Buddhist, even Pig in the Sky worshiper brain's can see directly into true nature, if the pay undivided attention to this very moment.> > > T: Don't pay him any more attention........He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about....... P: Sorry, too late. Debunking your paralyzing snippets has become my personal crusade. Ain't you glad? ) Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hi Devendra! Please stay with us! I understand your questions Devendra, and they are real and very intelligeant and justified and profound. I don't see nothing ridiculus about them! The way exist and it is real. Enlightenment is real as you and me. That is why all the great masters are saying about the same thing, the same essence! You worked for your freedom for 15 years. Bravo! I thinks these guys here don't even know what freedom is? :0)) All they seem to know is as you said: move around from relative to absolute by the flick of a button....it's sooooooooooo EASY..... :0) Why is so that the bouddha stopped his search for awakening? did he stop his search because he finally understood what is awakening or he simply realised that it is more easy to stop meditating and starts " talking " about enlightenment " in an internet Nisargadatta site? Where students don't know or understand or if they do! Hide their true understanding to have fun!:0))) You guys are terrible! :0) hi hi! Devendra let me tell you something if you are listening! I've been in sadhana, or the way for the truth, for 30 years! I started at six or 7 years old and I " Understood " the Zen stuff at 23. But I couldn't believe that was it. That " That " it all it was!!! If you are following me! So I continued to understand the understanding and God and the way and everything. Kind of re-start again just to make sure I truly " understood " !!! Two years ago I finally see the seeing and understood the understanding. Kind of Ok! " that's enough stuff " So I went back to my tomatoes and my salad. I See that a mountain, is a mountan and a toe is a toe! I'm telling you. Don't quit you are about to understand too. You are just lost a bit. These guys here don't even know what to be lost mean?? I studied a bit with Da free john, and others, Da love Ananda, called so many names that I can't remember all of them! Old fool. He surely is awakened but I don't agree with what he is doing and his Way of the heart stuff. The teachings !! OK! but the man! Anyway all is illusion and it doesn't matter. ;0) You know what! he goes to court, charged for child abuse, he obliges new women in the movement to sleep with him. As an iniation process. But only if the lady is ready to receive his blessing. :oO oh! I talked personaly with a husband in the Way of the heart who was crying because that is how it works and he and her wife, wanted to learn more about God, the truth, and the Way, the Reality etc. Mr Da sleeps with men too, he is " liberated " one of his ministers confessed few years ago that, in the internet. It was on news on tv in the U.S. I mean " proudly " not ashamed nothing! I sleep with my master Da! :0(( Well it's is his business after all!! :0) With childs? I don't know! Well he has been brought to court for that. and much other things that I don't know and don't want to know! I don't know the sentences! He has an island at fiji's Island. It is the cummunity's island of course!!!:oO has 4 official wifes. At the time the wifes were the only ones who were in the 6th stage of life understanding kind of stuff. Has severals children with them. He started a new religion literaly. Not a philosophy. Same as Jesus with Christians. Adida is Christ God etc. Anyway everything is illusion:0) nothing counts, nothing matters, I can kill, rape anything man!! You know what? It is not me that actually does that. It is the illusion inside of me, I just watch it from the observer position. Little story: I was there at the observer position, the witness position. While I was there, in peace, I was hiting my best friend to death. He was bleeding and bleeding asking me to be merciful!! a fool asking me? Who me? there is no me? Didn,t he know I can't respond? and from the oneness or emptyness of my self someone in me replied with Wisdom and peace. There is no such a thing as mercifulness or anything. He understood that I was the " One " and looked at me and attained Satori. He awakened!! I awaked him!! :0) From a spiritual hero?!?! Yes, awakening is a process. Zen masters from Rizaï school practice the sudden enlightenment The others schools is the gradual enlightenment. Slowly but surely! Yes there are stages of life. eg, I'm not an adult until I'm at least 18 or 21 or 23! a 7 years old child cannot say I'm an adult. He might at best be mature as an 11 or twelve young boy lets say! In the Way, you need to understand a, b, c etc until final understanding like Bouddha or Krishna, or Ramana, or Nis, etc. People here and in other furums " It seems " are only playing, reporting what they " don't know " . :0) Just because they " think " knowing. :0) Let me tell you something Devendra. I know a physical person near me and she tells me sometimes things a Bouddha would say. And let me tell you something... she is not awakened!!! She doesn't care about anything. Well, not true she cares and worries about all worldly stuff, go to work, have a bigger house, money, money etc etc. You see such is the Way! That person seems not interested in the way or liberation but is actualy completely prisoner of her ignorance. And even if she looks like beeing liberated, " working " , " doing " , " being " , " living " . She is not. And please people don't give me that " what should she care if she is happy " ! stuff! have you ever seen a monkey face to face!!! Look at it!!! Do you really thinks it cares about liberation and the Way, or enlightenment, or am I or am I not?? Stuff. Where am I going after life? Does reincarnation exist! What is the difference between my monkey consciousness and the other monkey consciousness ??:0)) That doesn't make him a buddha!!! my friends.:0))) lol I will never knel before a monkey. I prefer knel in front of toombaru. Who is extremely bright and intelligent in his search for understanding! :0) No, Devendra, the grand Masters didn't meditate for years and years for nothing. They did that for understanding. To attain enlightenment. There are several level of awakening. Stage one, stage two, stage three, four, five, six, and the seventh stage awakening. The last one is " Basically " , that there is no one to understand anything, or there is no one to be liberated! God is all there is! inside and outside from the illusion of the I stuff. That there is no I separated from anything. All is One!! But my dear friend Devendra only a 7th stage master can understand what they ment by that. A child just don't understand the bouddha, the child tries to understand the Bouddha or Ramana and he plays and have fun because he is playing the religious man. That child doesn't know that he is the one, he will in the future look for? and he is having such a fun!! :0) not a bouddha fun... but a fun! that is ok! :0) Do you guys understand why Ramakrishna said " I am Rama, I am Krishna I am ramakrishna??? Well well well let me look in my notes, notes were are you , were are my note my notes I need thoses notes I am the notes, notes! :0))) and they answer proudly. Well, It meant that in his last reincarnation he was both? Well that is what my notes say about it! Notes writen by a non-beleiver of ramakrishna. I think it was from a Nisargadatta's guy posting some postings that are not realy there but there are there and... Let me check my notes I don't know how to finish what I want to say!!! :0)) Adi Da Said that you guys can only talk talk non sense!! That is all you can do!!! He said that in one of his satsang reunion. You cannot laught at Great Masters " Without understanding what they are saying " this is absolute madness and nonesense. What if I say that Mozart doesn't know what he is talking about! If we are talking music! You're a dead man!!! You are lost my friend but truly profondly lost. Now what if beethoven says that Mozard doesn't know what he is talking about! Well that and that only is an interesting matter. They both know what they are talking about and they are perfecting the art of music. The words are dead letters but they mean a lot! Dropping the letters or dropping understanding. Is not don't learn to read or don't understand any way you will have to drop understanding anyway has someone said in a posting! Guys!! It's pure Madness! The madness of an enlightened one is not the madness of a man in a psychiatric department!! for " Christ sake " truly meaning for the love of christ!! :0) I could easyly replied to " whom " did you sent that replied, ( anyway we have to drop everything so!!) and " why? " If there is no I. Who sent that postage and to help who and for what purpose? It will never end!! :0))) But if you tell them that Devendra!! They will reply as you wrote: THE perfect rebuttal to the many " ENLIGHTENED " > balsekarites moving around. > > i can hear it coming--- > > " how do you know they are not enlightened? " ... > > " who is asking this question? " ...... > > did'nt you guys know it --- > > IT IS ALL HAPPENING!!!! > > move around from relative to absolute by the flick of > a button....it's sooooooooooo EASY..... So what is for now Devendra, have you understood something? If someone understood something, well I can die in peace. I would have help at least someone. :0))) Please, masters, I am an Balsekarites, I am a buddha believer, a Taoist too, A Ramana follower, a Nisargadatta maharaj devotee cause in my heart I bow on his feet. I am a Krishna foul, a bodhidharma student, a son of Christ, I bow in front of Zen masters. Ramakrishna is my friend. Nisargadatta's master, I serve him everyday! And he likes the food I serve him. So please instruct me with your wisdom and understanding. You guys can fool many but you won't fool " ME " :0)))) lol Smilesss My sword is ready, my sheild is shinning! This is going to be a " holy carnage " :0)) with much, much love!! Alberto, Nisargadatta , Devendra Vyas <coolasafool> wrote: > hey dan's answer is a classic. > > THE perfect rebuttal to the many " ENLIGHTENED " > balsekarites moving around. > > i can hear it coming--- > > " how do you know they are not enlightened? " ... > > " who is asking this question? " ...... > > did'nt you guys know it --- > > IT IS ALL HAPPENING!!!! > > move around from relative to absolute by the flick of > a button....it's sooooooooooo EASY..... > > Ramana Maharishi/Ramakrishna were all fools that they > meditated for 10-15 years... > > they were PROGRAMMED so.......poor chaps!!)))) > > ...pure free entertainment... --- erici44 <erici44> wrote: > > > That sounds like Tony Parsons stuff. > > > > His accolytes ARE as crazy as Christians speaking in > > tongues and > > twice as sure of themselves. They have their own > > language and they > > LOVE to evangelise (at no one) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " > > <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > There is a Toom clone in another list. True, his > > > twin is more eloquent, and verbose, but the ideas > > > are almost identical, and the puntuation is the > > same. > > > Someone should sue Sandeep for spreading the > > dreaded... ) > > > > > > See below. And see Dan Berkow's excellent > > rebuttal. > > > These guys think that having the right concepts is > > the > > > same as being liberated. They should be singing > > with > > > Elvis: " I'm caught in a trap. I can't get out, > > because > > > I love thinking am Da... " One, " baby. > > > > > > " bryn merlin " > > > <brynmerlin@h...> wrote: > > > > If you see why all is one means no separation > > including no > > separate > > > pete or bryn:- > > > > > > > > > who is there to seek ? now or later ? > > > > > > there is no separate person who can pay attention. > > > > > > what you know or conclude, or what you are > > interested in is not you > > > knowing, concluding or being interested > > > > > > there is no moment, very or otherwise, past, or > > future > > > > > > there is no separate perception > > > > > > there is no separate true nature or face > > > > > > anyone who can rummage in dumpheaps or mirages. > > > > > > what there is.......if all is > > one................is > > > oneness..............manifesting as the illusion > > of separation > > > including all the above............for no > > reason............ The > > > unmanifested, oneness, is nothing....there are no > > reasons, knowing, > > > or moments there............there is no > > 'there'.............such > > > things arise only in the illusion of separation > > > > > > can you really not see why this would be so > > ?.........and why this > > > means liberation from the prison of the separate > > self and unicity > > > with all ?............totally united with the > > nothing that is the > > > unmanifested because, like everything, we are it > > > manifested...........there is only > > it.............there is nothing > > > outside it to be separate from it..............its > > impossible not to > > > be it..................you cant have a day off > > > > > > It often arises that oneness is not extended to > > include ourselves, > > > which of course it does (what else is there for us > > to > > > be ?).................but when it is seen that > > oneness includes us, > > > that we are also not separate in any > > way............it is seen that > > > there is not a separate person doing the > > seeing...........that the > > > seeing itself is oneness seeing........seeing > > > itself....................in fact all seeing is > > oneness seeing > > itself > > > (there is nothing else to see or be seen) but its > > not realized as > > > such because oneness also manifests as an idea in > > the mind that > > weare > > > separate people ( for no reason) > > ................but oneness > > > seeing itself as oneness is with the blindfold > > off.......so to > > > speak !!! > > > > > > Oneness does not want this to be > > realized.............it doesnt want > > > anything................ it is already > > > immaculate..................nevertheless it arises > > as this and > > posted > > > it to itself without any meaning whatsoever. > > > ****** > > > > > > Dan: Bryn,what do all your questions and > > assertions amount to? > > > > > > Something that Bryn wants to tell people. > > > > > > Yet, Bryn says there are no people, and nothing > > > to be told. > > > > > > Yet, Bryn has quite a lot to ask and tell. > > > > > > Amazing things, these conceptual entities > > > that develop the concept that there > > > are no conceptual entities! So much > > > they have to say about how there is > > > no one to say anything and nothing to say! > > > > > > Thanks for the entertainment! Enjoying it! > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Alberto ...dear friend.. thanks.but i believe im at the end of my patience.im tired of concepts and writing long mails is a chore for me and when i write it comes out in sarcastic torrents.im turned into a bit of a crusader-- these religious guys demand loads of faith for something we cant perceive. these religious guys condemn science but lap it up when something useful like quantum theory comes up...i mean why cant they be sure of themselves and stand with out the crutches/support/justification of science. these religious guys condemn money but cant live without it--(im excepting the masters) so, why the hell do they disturb the " ignorant bliss " of humanity...and condemen them to confusion/guilt and frustration. nothing personally against balse-boy he is entitled to his retirement vocation...but why is he trying to make a terrible hash of vedanta- zen-etc..etc...why is he keep flitting from absolute to relative.and why does he lower the ideal.?? i read an article on the net by aziz kristof on the dangers of pseudo advaita...i liked it. but of course...these things will always continue.........yesterday there was Jiddu..today there is balsekar..tomorrow there might be another.there is no storage of armchair advaitins. but i wud rather listen to the talk of persons who have walked the talk. Thakur sri ramakrishna,ramana maharishi,swami vivekananda, swami ramdas who went forth like a lion into a tour of INDIA without a penny in his pocket for N no. of years...this guys have lived advaita. talkers like you and me we can find dime a dozen. i end by a favorite quote of mine from swami vivekananda's Jnana yoga...this explains the eternal paradox that our lives /existence are ..standing as we are @ the boundary of the timeless and time,the absolute and relative, the spaceless and space.....this eternal paradox always makes it possible for hoaxsters to emerge time and again because standing at the boundary you can talk either way...so then who is true....your heart,your intuition will tell you..because the divine is there in it..thats why with thakur sri ramakrishna,sri ramana there is no dispute...wot those guys tell ------ YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT...becoz those guys dont tell apologetically at the end--it's my concept:-))becoz those guys tell you that as long as there is the spell of maya ..something akin to rebirth will always come into picture....they dont " invent " concepts like " POOLS of consciousness " to somehow explain rebirth. im not trying to convert anyone here:-)) read the passage below and look at the power behind the words....i esp. like the word--MYSTIC TWILIGHT.. " Now, it is statement of fact that this world is a Tantalus's hell, that we do not know anything about this universe, yet at the same time we cannot say that we do not know. I cannot say that this chain exists, when I think that I do not know it. It may be an entire delusion of my brain. I may be dreaming all the time. I am dreaming that I am talking to you, and that you are listening to me. No one can prove that it is not a dream. My brain itself may be a dream, and as to that no one has ever seen his own brain. We all take it for granted. So it is with everything. My own body I take for granted. At the same time I cannot say, I do not know. This standing between knowledge and ignorance, this mystic twilight, the mingling of truth and falsehood--and where they meet--no one knows. We are walking in the midst of a dream, half sleeping, half waking, passing all our lives in a haze; this is the fate of everyone of us. This is the fate of all sense-knowledge. This is the fate of all philosophy, of all boasted science, of all boasted human knowledge. This is the universe. What you call matter, or spirit, or mind, or anything else you may like to call them, the fact remains the same: we cannot say that they are, we cannot say that they are not. We cannot say they are one, we cannot say they are many. This eternal play of light and darkness-- indiscriminate, indistinguishable, inseparable--is always there. A fact, yet at the same time not a fact; awake and at the same time asleep. This is a statement of facts, and this is what is called Maya. We are born in this Maya, we live in it, we think in it, we dream in it. We are philosophers in it, we are spiritual men in it, nay, we are devils in this Maya, and we are gods in this Maya. Stretch your ideas as far as you can, make them higher and higher, call them infinite or by any other name you please, even these ideas are within this Maya. It cannot be otherwise, and the whole of human knowledge is a generalisation of this Maya trying to know it as it appears to be. This is the work of Nama-Rupa--name and form. Everything that has form, everything that calls up an idea in your mind, is within Maya; for everything that is bound by the laws of time, space and causation is within Maya. " -sw.vivekananda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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