Alberto's turn

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Hi Pete! :0))

Thanks for responding!

 

I'll write few things to comment what you said. It is down below.

 

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

 

 

> Well, Alberto, it's your turn. I'm going to

> give you a little attention, if you don't mind. )

>

alb: That is very kind of you! my friend :0)))

 

> Let's start with the word 'bouddha' there is no

> such word in English. that is, French, for Buddha.

> So the word you want to use here is, Buddha.

> Buda in Spanish. Budda in Italian.

Alb; Ha ha ! :0) you went to check your notes, hum! Well that's

good! I'll put attention to the word Buddha.

 

> Not that my spelling and grammar doesn't suck,

> but that's, I'm sure, a name, you want to spell right.

>

Alb; Of curse I'm doing my best to learn english as fast as I can.

Some people have tanslators to help them. I don't. :0)

 

> And tell me, where do you get this theory that

> enlightenment has grades as if going to grammar

> school? You keep referring to 6th grade, and

> seven grade enlightenment. Why not 3 pounds,

> or 4 liters of enlightenment? Wouldn't that

> make as much sense? How can you measure,

> or grade something that is an absence? Because

> if enlightenment is anything, it's the

> absence of misinterpretations, and confusion.

 

> alb; Well One of the masters who truly clarify thoses stages is Da

free John, Da love Ananda. He is there in the internet and lives in

the fiji islands. He owns the island. Well the community owns it, of

course. He tryied to put order in this chaotic religious

misunderstanding of the Way of enlightenment or the way of God.

and of course you don't have to be einstein to understand that the

one who says that he has a physical body and is looking after it, is

not enlighten or bright as he would like people to believe?

So If someone truly thinks that he is superman! Well following the

way of the heart as he say, that person is a second stage of life

person. The second stage of life usely is for people trying to grasp

reality from around 7 years of age to 14 years of age. So as I said.

That adult or that child who thinks he is " truly superman " , well, he

is a the second stage of life man or he truly needs help from a

doctor! lol,

 

1st: stage 0 to 7 years old. I am the body,

 

2nd: stage 7 to 14 years old. I am emotions, relations friends

aceptance., other them them self, etc.

 

3 rd: stage 14 to 21 years old. I am thinking, toughts. I can build

towers. I think so I am!! kind of stuff. I am Super Brain!!

 

4th: stage The is more then me or my thoughts God is some where over

there! somewhere, I don't know! :0) religious group of all kind with

minor knowledge about spirituality. Christians and others groups.

Basis Cristians there are in the church but they don't know why! But

they truly love God! Where is he!

 

5th stage: I am not the thoughts, I am the soul (while still

prisoners of thinking) the identification is " I am the soul " . Out of

body experiences! Psychic power, the mystic side of life. is there.

 

6th stage : I am not the soul, or powers, or a mystic or

experiences. I am consciousness. At that level one masters the

thought one can completly stop them as will. that is the level of

sahaj samadhi seeing or beeing without a thought. or if there is a

thought. The seekers ignore and don't even notice that there is a

thought. He see very clearly from his own living and understanding

that he is not a thought. he is not thinking. He can think and

speak of God or anything. But when he wants he enters sahaj samadhi

he lives without thinking. Well he stops the regular thinking

process. He doesn't stop the mind!

 

Like many authors of zen. The 6th stage of life, reflect very well

what a zen masters lives at this level. The observer, the witness of

all things is there. One identifies with the consciousness,

everything arrives to consciousness, to " me " the consciousness.

 

The seventh stage is when the individual understands fully, what is

his true self. That he is not " only " the consciousness or the

observer. Or that there is something beyond it that one cannot

describe because the consciousness cannot enter the void or the

absolute.

 

Then the 7th stage of life master sees and understands and commune

and become one with God. Union with the essence witch gives him

life, the spirit, God. And they are the Ones who say that god is

One. The non-duality, advaita, taoism and all the great masters from

the great tradition. Hindu and chinese, so on.

 

This is from Da free John detailled stages. This is nothing Da Free

John likes the details a lot.

 

These stages are just references, to help mankind to see more clear

in the spiritual path.

Da free john himself did all the stages up to the 7th. Got a

physical diploma from muktananda which he says was at that time a

5th stage master. He learned kundalinis energy etc.

 

I learned this stuff at College. It was an official course

philosophy 101???!!!

 

So as I said. If someone says to you that the money is the most

important thing in the world. I would answer yes ok! but for you!

and my reference is the 3rd stage of life. She masters that stage.

But does she sees more that the money? I don't know. I ask.

If she asnwers oh yes the is nothing more than money and sex! Then

I'll smile and say well she is certainly having fun in that stage

isn't she! (bad joke)!

 

 

I was referring my self to those stages. For Da free john. Wei wu

wei is probably a 7th stage realiser. Buddha was, He said Ramana

Krishna was, Rama, and krishna, Jesus, Nisargasatta teachings are

from that level of understanding. He surely is a 7th stage man.

 

So Pete I'm not saying that the stages are the truth, but it helps

to see where we are in the process of understanding, you see!

 

You said: Why not 3 pounds,

> or 4 liters of enlightenment? It is just to give you an idea to

situate you in the process of awakening.

 

If you tell me Pete that you are a strong men! Well it is possible!

But when going to the gym. You can lift only 10 pounds on the bench

press!! the pounds been a reference here! Well you are not as strong

as you said!

 

There are just references. It helps a lot you know!

 

A superman guy is a 2nd stage of life. an ordinary person who only

cares about his carrer and money etc. is most in the 3rd stage of

live! It just give you and idea on where you might be in the

process. It is not to judge other in the sence of discrimination. I

won't go see a third stage master if I want to know who is buddha?

 

He will show me what is Wall Street! and his mercedes benz!

Only a standard,

 

And don't give me the crap that you don't have a standard or

reference I won't believe you. Because if you think you understand

something it is because you have compared your understanding with

others. Maybe Nisargadatta? I don't know.

 

You realy realy seem to know. But I'm not sure yet if you know or if

you pretend to know!! :0)) Don't get offended, please.

 

 

And I want to ask a favor, when you answer a long

> post that has a lot of old material, delete the

> text which is no longer current. Thanks

> What do you say?

 

> Alb; I will do that!>

>

With respect,

 

Alb, with love,

 

Alberto,

It's time to go to bed now! Bye! :0)

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Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 "

<ilikezen2004> wrote:

> Hi Pete! :0))

> Thanks for responding!

>

> I'll write few things to comment what you said. It is down below.

>

>Good! Thanks, it's a relief to find out,that you don't believe such

stages have any independent reality. I understand now you use them

only as a measuring tool. As far as I'm concerned, I don't need to

measure, or to think that there are any real accomplishments to be

measure.

 

Pete