Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 T: What does the phrase: " You are the child of a barren woman. " mean to you Pete? C:It's just a cute phrase he used to answer someone's specific question. Just a metaphore people liked. Out of context means little, and it certainly can't be used as a general statement which proves nonexistence. Dear friend! There is in fact a very strong traditional context. Let me say something about " tradition " : Nisargadatta is one Guru in a descendent continous line coming from ancient times, the times when the Vedas have been written, or even earlier, because those teachings were in existence even before that. In certain western countries the natural and respectful sense for tradition seems to be almost wiped out. This results in a strange kind of arrogance paired witch ignorance, which is often felt by people who are deeply rooted in tradition, but obviously not felt by those people themselves. Rootedness in tradition makes people more humble, respectful and puts the " ego " into a relatively modest position. In eastern spiritual practise the tradition is represented by the Guru and the descending line which comes from Guru to Guru from the most ancient teachings. So, what are the Vedas? Those are scriptures dating back to 1500 B.C. (the time of the Minoic civilization in Crete, just to give a reference) and are the peak of a much older tradition. Lets see how the expression " child of a barren women " fits in here. In one vedic scripture (Devi Ghita) I found the following passage: " I create this whole world on this Unchangeable Eternal Brahma –snip- Wherever there is anything, seen or heard, I alway exist there, within and without, There is nothing moving or unmoving, that can exist without Me. If there be such, that is like the son of a barren woman. Just as one rope is mistaken for a snake or a garland, so I am the One Brahma and appears as Isvara, etc. There is no doubt in this. This world cannot appear without a substratum. " Does this not sound kind of familiar to the readers of this group? Pure awareness is speaking! You also might be interested to hear, that Gautama Buddha has used this expression as can be seen in the Sutras. Advaita Vedanta is not the invention of some contemporary Gurus. The main principles of Advaita Vedanta (non-dualistic vedic teachings) are specificaly detailed in commentaries written by Sankaracharya, a famous Indian teacher who lived in the 7th - 8th centuries A.D. Nisargadattas teachings are what he has received from his own guru, Sri Siddharameshwar. He often stated that his whole job is repeating on and on the few simple things that his guru has told him, and what has led to his own realization. All the best Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > T: What does the phrase: " You are the child of a barren woman. " mean > to you Pete? > > C:It's just a cute phrase he used to answer someone's specific > question. Just a metaphore people liked. Out of context means little, > and it certainly can't be used as a general statement which proves > nonexistence. > > Dear friend! > > There is in fact a very strong traditional context. Let me say > something about " tradition " : Nisargadatta is one Guru in a descendent > continous line coming from ancient times, the times when the Vedas > have been written, or even earlier, because those teachings were in > existence even before that. > > In certain western countries the natural and respectful sense for > tradition seems to be almost wiped out. This results in a strange > kind of arrogance paired witch ignorance, which is often felt by > people who are deeply rooted in tradition, but obviously not felt by > those people themselves. Rootedness in tradition makes people more > humble, respectful and puts the " ego " into a relatively modest > position. In eastern spiritual practise the tradition is represented > by the Guru and the descending line which comes from Guru to Guru from > the most ancient teachings. > > So, what are the Vedas? Those are scriptures dating back to 1500 B.C. > (the time of the Minoic civilization in Crete, just to give a > reference) and are the peak of a much older tradition. Lets see how > the expression " child of a barren women " fits in here. In one vedic > scripture (Devi Ghita) I found the following passage: > > " I create this whole world on this Unchangeable Eternal Brahma > –snip- > Wherever there is anything, seen or heard, I alway exist there, within > and without, There is nothing moving or unmoving, that can exist > without Me. If there be such, that is like the son of a barren woman. > Just as one rope is mistaken for a snake or a garland, so I am the One > Brahma and appears as Isvara, etc. There is no doubt in this. This > world cannot appear without a substratum. " > > Does this not sound kind of familiar to the readers of this group? > Pure awareness is speaking! You also might be interested to hear, that > Gautama Buddha has used this expression as can be seen in the Sutras. > > Advaita Vedanta is not the invention of some contemporary Gurus. The > main principles of Advaita Vedanta (non-dualistic vedic teachings) are > specificaly detailed in commentaries written by Sankaracharya, a > famous Indian teacher who lived in the 7th - 8th centuries A.D. > > Nisargadattas teachings are what he has received from his own guru, > Sri Siddharameshwar. He often stated that his whole job is repeating > on and on the few simple things that his guru has told him, and what > has led to his own realization. > > All the best > Stefan Hi stefan, Wow! man! beautiful! OUf! Tell me stefan, were are the wild tigers man? I can't see them in your speech! Why? It is because you are becoming those tigers. You are in their mouth, and they are you! You stefan is the only Reality that is. All the rest is bla bla bla! Teenager stuff about the Way!! Can't understand so I destroy!! Teenager attitute! I been a teenager long time ago. I am not anymore! :0) P.S. Hey Pete! I'm back for a while! ;o)) Could you please explain to me why is it so that your Master Nisargadatta says to do something to realise and you are saying that there is nothing to realise , nothing to do! you seems quit angry somewhat.:0)) Here is Nisargadatta's affirmation: " The seeker is he who is in search of himself. Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I?' Why do we have to do an effort and as he says so often. Hold to that idea until the final realisation?? He Realised, He knows, yet he says to us poor human beings, that we should give up everthing except on question? My little monkey brain just cant understand that! With respect! :0)) Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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