Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Dear Devendra, I have a question for you. Did you learn something from you meditation and from your sadhana or like these guys here say. It worth nothing? I'm absolutely sure that you've learn something? no? Kindly asking, Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Of course..yes....i mean a person can " learn " more in 5 minutes of deep meditation -than can ever be acheived by endless intellectual loops. and if you ask me....whenever the mood has hit me..... i have experienced..the floating,the weightlessness,the total loss of body consciousness. and i agree with you --THERE IS A WAY AND THE GREAT MASTERS HAVE SHOWN IT. AND AS LONG AS THE DIVINE ILLUSION IS OVER US THERE WILL BE SOME " - ING " ..the whole joy of spirituality is the struggle man...wot else....the fight between man and nature.... nature says go stay in the cave ..man says no ill build a house... internal nature says..there is a world/the senses are true....but the spiritual hero says no ill cut thru this jungle...with a spirit of self-effort and self-surrender. THERE IS GREAT BEYOND BEYOND OUR EXISTENCE....THE GREAT DARK PEACE....science,morals,concepts when they reach their limit they simply lose strenght and point to the great beyond...so physics melts away into metaphysics and so on. so-where is the problem --problem is when some hoaxsters try to put the cart before the horse.the fruit before the effort by applying the word of the realised seer to the spiritual practiser. NSG-MHJ has said that all that in meditation is also imagination and the work of the chemical.......BUT THAT IS FOR HIM and those who were around him @that time....for me, poor chap --its a big thing..i am body bound...... i cant tolerate the lowering of the ideal to pander to the weaknesses of the audience like the hoaxsters do......... you know wot i mean--- SEX is OK..it happens.....it was caused due to programming.... working mind..thinking mind...what bullshit man. so wot next...incest is ok??????it also happens i am not a prude....but the MASTERS have told us the WAY ..how dare someone claim to be descendant and distort things. HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!! the thing that appeals to me is - let us walk man ..let us walk on the way......why sit down with self-delusion of being perfect just because some hoaxster has confused us. cheers-devendra Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > Dear Devendra, I have a question for you. > > Did you learn something from you meditation and from your sadhana or > like these guys here say. It worth nothing? > > I'm absolutely sure that you've learn something? no? > > > Kindly asking, > Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 hey group... i have been twice to the hoaxsters place.... first time i asked-- " how do you know there is no continuation of this movement in consciousness called 'I'-(pseudo-entity it may be) after the physical death. " ANSWER- its my concept ( i thought i was there to hear the authentic/authoritative answer of a seer..not an apology) i continued...if that is so then commiting suicide is the surefire way to get enlightened..and god is a joker that he sends us forth just to eat,drink and have sex... answer- if suicide is to happen..it will happen. (thanks for the truism) -------------------- second visit. no questions asked. hoaxsters sidey---asks me would like to buy the latest book costing $$$$... ------------------------- btw-seems hoaxster sidey practising to be hoaxster-in-cheif after his master passes away.he has brought out a small booklet of devotional songs which he asserts came out " SPONTANEOUSLY " ... dear non-indian friends...pls dont waste your time,money and hard- earned $$$$$ on these indian hoaxsters:-))))))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " coolasafool " <coolasafool> wrote: >>snip<< .....but the > spiritual hero says no ill cut thru this jungle...with a spirit of > self-effort and self-surrender. Hej Devendra, Since Alberto is gone, may I bring attention to the oxymoronish of the suggested spirit. Rgds Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 :-)) i like to push my english to the limit and also play with concepts..the more the merrier..if a retired banker and avid golfer can do it..so can I:->>>>> the oxymoron use .. that is deliberate...that is the MYSTIC TWILIGHT..the eternal paradox....we are do-er and non-do-ers at the same time.....we have free will and no free will at the same time....we are eternal and timebound........... that is MAYA...and using this hoaxsters emerge............ hey but is alberto really gone...?? Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " coolasafool " > <coolasafool> wrote: > > >>snip<< > > ....but the > > spiritual hero says no ill cut thru this jungle...with a spirit of > > self-effort and self-surrender. > > Hej Devendra, > > Since Alberto is gone, > > may I bring attention to the oxymoronish > of the suggested spirit. > > Rgds > Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " coolasafool " <coolasafool> wrote: > :-)) > > i like to push my english to the limit and also play with > concepts..the more the merrier..if a retired banker and avid golfer > can do it..so can I:->>>>> > > the oxymoron use .. > that is deliberate...that is the MYSTIC TWILIGHT..the eternal > paradox....we are do-er and non-do-ers at the same time.....we have > free will and no free will at the same time....we are eternal and > timebound........... > that is MAYA...and using this hoaxsters emerge............ > I am glad you mentioned MYSTiC TWiLIghT again.... I love that. Nothing beats A walk along ocean's edge at dusk > hey but is alberto really gone...?? > no, but he came and went so quickly! I was enjoying him! ~freyja > > > Nisargadatta , " Tom Flou " <tom@f...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " coolasafool " > > <coolasafool> wrote: > > > > >>snip<< > > > > ....but the > > > spiritual hero says no ill cut thru this jungle...with a spirit > of > > > self-effort and self-surrender. > > > > Hej Devendra, > > > > Since Alberto is gone, > > > > may I bring attention to the oxymoronish > > of the suggested spirit. > > > > Rgds > > Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 > > I am glad you mentioned > MYSTiC TWiLIghT again.... > I love that. > well, you have appreciated it....like i said elsewhere...that is the power of the word when it comes from a realised soul. IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED. non-believers and others like me can pick holes in all theories...but wot i mean is- in relgion/spirituality if there is a FULL-STOP..it is this...the word of the seer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 ilikezen2004 [ilikezen2004] Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:59 PM Nisargadatta meditation Dear Devendra, I have a question for you. Did you learn something from you meditation and from your sadhana or like these guys here say. It worth nothing? To add to ur question .. did u atleast learn the Art of Meditation ... after yrs of Sadhana?? I'm absolutely sure that you've learn something? no? Kindly asking, Alberto, ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 > Did you learn something from you meditation and from your sadhana or > like these guys here say. It worth nothing? Sadhana is a very big word.. i have done some insignificant calling upon god and so im very ill- qualified..any answer i give will be just an ego-trip. there are some i know they have been callig upon God for decades but they have no regrets..its not a burden for them....they still say.. 'i have not done enough' and tears come to their eyes.such is the true seeker. but still for the sake of sharing i will share...but words are a very poor medium.. most of the time what we say as sadhana is we equate it to no.of years of sadhna=no. of years of seeking/searching...so we say i have been doing sadhana since i was 10 years old..and my life has been WASTED.... to such a person the answer wud be-- get lost..you fool..you who has such regrets will never find HIM...you better concentrate on things you LOVE...religion is not for you. but actually sadhana is - something akin to wot a classical musician undergoes before he gives his first public performance.....its an ongoing journey......and we start to like the journey so much that we have no tension about arriving...and then truly we ARRIVE.....it becomes automatic/spontaneous. you ask a classical musician and he will say - im still learning...he is not kiddig it TRULY is like that. the sense of awe,the joy of just doing for it's own sake is SADHANA. the seeker disappears in the Seeking. ------------ BUT --and a very BIG BUT it is-- The Masters when they try to convey the unconveyable thru words...theres a slip betwn the cup & the Lip...and plus theres the ego which just wants to be comforted by ideas. so we see people like- It's worth nothing.Its all spontaneous.It's all happening. arre baba but is it tallying with your experience or are you still wrapped up in eyeing the curvaceous blonde nextdoor?? we can only fool ourselves...not the world ------------------ this is like the person who sits simply @ the airport and says hey ive seen the world. i mean how can the fruit be had before the ripening??? sadhana is gradual but the ripening is sudden..we all know it.. but tell me ONE master..who got it just like that....is there any one..out there?? wot the masters mean to convey is there shud be no fetish for self- improvement...it should be natural developemnt....and the joy of walking... but wot the pseudo take it to be is -- hey,good news..im already perfect..let me join some forum and proclaim my divinity. ------------------- did i learn the ART of meditation..yes...but am i an adept? no. the process is of purifying the psyche..chitta..name it wot u can... the concrete help is the mantra and the repitition of the name....but its not mandatory it works more at the subconscious level.....the proces continues whole day and when you sit for meditation you let the " instinct " (for want of a better word) take over.. " you " try to go on autopilot...and let the divine work out. The issue as i see it is--- there is the destination and there is the walking....problem is there are plenty who want to talk about the destination after having some secondhand knowledge of it frm the MASTERS..but very few who want to set forth on the fulfilling journey ...and keep quiet. Nisargadutta said it all..my friend...but who cares......the balse- boys are so busy " interpreting " him that the fun is lost. Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > ilikezen2004 [ilikezen2004] > Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:59 PM > Nisargadatta > meditation > > > > > Dear Devendra, I have a question for you. > > Did you learn something from you meditation and from your sadhana or > like these guys here say. It worth nothing? > To add to ur question .. did u atleast learn the Art of Meditation ... after yrs of Sadhana?? > I'm absolutely sure that you've learn something? no? > > > Kindly asking, > Alberto, > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Wow, what a great posting, devendra, you have just given me a great gift, brother... I thank you from my heart. I am a classical musician and I went all the way... I know what you mean! And I have followed the spiritual path... And you are so right... But there are moments the fire is burning too hot... and the suffering is unbearable... and I dont know what to do... Thats how I am! Haha, a crazy guy... All the best to you Stefan Nisargadatta , " coolasafool " <coolasafool> wrote: > > Did you learn something from you meditation and from your sadhana > or > > like these guys here say. It worth nothing? > > Sadhana is a very big word.. > i have done some insignificant calling upon god and so im very ill- > qualified..any answer i give will be just an ego-trip. > there are some i know they have been callig upon God for decades but > they have no regrets..its not a burden for them....they still say.. > 'i have not done enough' and tears come to their eyes.such is the > true seeker. > but still for the sake of sharing i will share...but words are a very > poor medium.. > > most of the time what we say as sadhana is we equate it to no.of > years of sadhna=no. of years of seeking/searching...so we say i have > been doing sadhana since i was 10 years old..and my life has been > WASTED.... > to such a person the answer wud be-- get lost..you fool..you who has > such regrets will never find HIM...you better concentrate on things > you LOVE...religion is not for you. > > but actually sadhana is - something akin to wot a classical musician > undergoes before he gives his first public performance.....its an > ongoing journey......and we start to like the journey so much that we > have no tension about arriving...and then truly we ARRIVE.....it > becomes automatic/spontaneous. > you ask a classical musician and he will say - im still learning...he > is not kiddig it TRULY is like that. > > the sense of awe,the joy of just doing for it's own sake is SADHANA. > the seeker disappears in the Seeking. > ------------ > > BUT --and a very BIG BUT it is-- > > The Masters when they try to convey the unconveyable thru > words...theres a slip betwn the cup & the Lip...and plus theres the > ego which just wants to be comforted by ideas. > > > so we see people like- > It's worth nothing.Its all spontaneous.It's all happening. > arre baba but is it tallying with your experience or are you still > wrapped up in eyeing the curvaceous blonde nextdoor?? > we can only fool ourselves...not the world > > ------------------ > this is like the person who sits simply @ the airport and says hey > ive seen the world. > i mean how can the fruit be had before the ripening??? > sadhana is gradual but the ripening is sudden..we all know it.. > but tell me ONE master..who got it just like that....is there any > one..out there?? > > wot the masters mean to convey is there shud be no fetish for self- > improvement...it should be natural developemnt....and the joy of > walking... > but wot the pseudo take it to be is -- > > hey,good news..im already perfect..let me join some forum and > proclaim my divinity. > > ------------------- > > did i learn the ART of meditation..yes...but am i an adept? no. > > the process is of purifying the psyche..chitta..name it wot u can... > > the concrete help is the mantra and the repitition of the name....but > its not mandatory > > it works more at the subconscious level.....the proces continues > whole day and when you sit for meditation you let the " instinct " (for > want of a better word) take over.. " you " try to go on autopilot...and > let the divine work out. > > The issue as i see it is--- > > there is the destination and there is the walking....problem is there > are plenty who want to talk about the destination after having some > secondhand knowledge of it frm the MASTERS..but very few who want to > set forth on the fulfilling journey ...and keep quiet. > > Nisargadutta said it all..my friend...but who cares......the balse- > boys are so busy " interpreting " him that the fun is lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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