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FINGERS POINTING TOWARDS THE MOON : 5

 

WORK AND PLAY - I

 

 

Words, Words

Anything worth saying, it should be possible to say in a few dozen

words. He who speaks diffusely understands dimly; he who understands

clearly speaks concisely.

 

Facts and ideas ultimately are simple. A long exposition of what in

itself is simple implies imperfect understanding on the part of

speaker or listener, writer or reader.

 

Wei wu wei

 

 

respectfuly,

Alberto,

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Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 "

<ilikezen2004> wrote:

>

> FINGERS POINTING TOWARDS THE MOON : 5

>

> WORK AND PLAY - I

>

>

> Words, Words

> Anything worth saying, it should be possible to say in a few dozen

> words. He who speaks diffusely understands dimly; he who

understands

> clearly speaks concisely.

>

> Facts and ideas ultimately are simple. A long exposition of what in

> itself is simple implies imperfect understanding on the part of

> speaker or listener, writer or reader.

>

> Wei wu wei

>

>

> respectfuly,

> Alberto,

 

P:You are a lot of fun, you know that? I suppose you believe the above

wholeheartely, eh?

 

Does what you wrote below looks consice? Was that a perfect

understanding on your part ?

I don't thiiiink so. I think that was just rambling for the fun of

it )

 

I love you man, don't panick, I'm here to help you. ))

 

Pete

 

 

" ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004>

Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:03 am

Re: Toombaro's Twin

 

Hi Devendra! Please stay with us!

 

I understand your questions Devendra, and they are real and very

intelligeant and justified and profound. I don't see nothing

ridiculus about them! The way exist and it is real. Enlightenment is

real as you and me. That is why all the great masters are saying

about the same thing, the same essence! You worked for your freedom

for 15 years. Bravo! I thinks these guys here don't even know what

freedom is? :0)) All they seem to know is as you said: move around

from relative to absolute by the flick of a button....it's

sooooooooooo EASY..... :0)

 

Why is so that the bouddha stopped his search for awakening? did he

stop his search because he finally understood what is awakening or

he simply realised that it is more easy to stop meditating and

starts " talking " about enlightenment " in an internet Nisargadatta

site? Where students don't know or understand or if they do! Hide

their true understanding to have fun!:0))) You guys are

terrible! :0) hi hi!

 

 

 

Devendra let me tell you something if you are listening! I've been

in sadhana, or the way for the truth, for 30 years! I started at six

or 7 years old and I " Understood " the Zen stuff at 23. But I

couldn't believe that was it. That " That " it all it was!!! If you

are following me! So I continued to understand the understanding and

God and the way and everything. Kind of re-start again just to make

sure I truly " understood " !!! Two years ago I finally see the seeing

and understood the understanding. Kind of Ok! " that's enough stuff "

So I went back to my tomatoes and my salad. I See that a mountain,

is a mountan and a toe is a toe!

 

I'm telling you. Don't quit you are about to understand too. You are

just lost a bit. These guys here don't even know what to be lost

mean?? I studied a bit with Da free john, and others, Da love

Ananda, called so many names that I can't remember all of them! Old

fool. He surely is awakened but I don't agree with what he is doing

and his Way of the heart stuff. The teachings !! OK! but the man!

Anyway all is illusion and it doesn't matter. ;0) You know what! he

goes to court, charged for child abuse, he obliges new women in the

movement to sleep with him. As an iniation process. But only if the

lady is ready to receive his blessing. :oO oh!

 

I talked personaly with a husband in the Way of the heart who was

crying because that is how it works and he and her wife, wanted to

learn more about God, the truth, and the Way, the Reality etc. Mr Da

sleeps with men too, he is " liberated " one of his ministers

confessed few years ago that, in the internet. It was on news on tv

in the U.S. I mean " proudly " not ashamed nothing! I sleep with my

master Da! :0(( Well it's is his business after all!! :0)

 

With childs? I don't know! Well he has been brought to court for

that. and much other things that I don't know and don't want to

know! I don't know the sentences! He has an island at fiji's Island.

It is the cummunity's island of course!!!:oO has 4 official wifes.

At the time the wifes were the only ones who were in the 6th stage

of life understanding kind of stuff. Has severals children with them.

 

He started a new religion literaly. Not a philosophy. Same as Jesus

with Christians. Adida is Christ God etc. Anyway everything is

illusion:0) nothing counts, nothing matters, I can kill, rape

anything man!! You know what? It is not me that actually does that.

It is the illusion inside of me, I just watch it from the observer

position.

 

Little story: I was there at the observer position, the witness

position. While I was there, in peace, I was hiting my best friend

to death. He was bleeding and bleeding asking me to be merciful!! a

fool asking me? Who me? there is no me? Didn,t he know I can't

respond? and from the oneness or emptyness of my self someone in me

replied with Wisdom and peace. There is no such a thing as

mercifulness or anything. He understood that I was the " One " and

looked at me and attained Satori. He awakened!!

I awaked him!! :0) From a spiritual hero?!?!

 

Yes, awakening is a process. Zen masters from Rizaï school practice

the sudden enlightenment The others schools is the gradual

enlightenment. Slowly but surely! Yes there are stages of life.

 

eg, I'm not an adult until I'm at least 18 or 21 or 23! a 7 years

old child cannot say I'm an adult. He might at best be mature as an

11 or twelve young boy lets say! In the Way, you need to understand

a, b, c etc until final understanding like Bouddha or Krishna, or

Ramana, or Nis, etc. People here and in other furums " It seems " are

only playing, reporting what they " don't know " . :0) Just because

they " think " knowing. :0)

 

Let me tell you something Devendra. I know a physical person near me

and she tells me sometimes things a Bouddha would say. And let me

tell you something... she is not awakened!!! She doesn't care about

anything. Well, not true she cares and worries about all worldly

stuff, go to work, have a bigger house, money, money etc etc.

 

You see such is the Way! That person seems not interested in the way

or liberation but is actualy completely prisoner of her ignorance.

And even if she looks like beeing

liberated, " working " , " doing " , " being " , " living " . She is not. And

 

please people don't give me that " what should she care if she is

happy " ! stuff!

 

have you ever seen a monkey face to face!!! Look at it!!!

Do you really thinks it cares about liberation and the Way, or

enlightenment, or am I or am I not?? Stuff. Where am I going after

life? Does reincarnation exist! What is the difference between my

monkey consciousness and the other monkey consciousness ??:0))

 

That doesn't make him a buddha!!! my friends.:0))) lol

I will never knel before a monkey.

 

I prefer knel in front of toombaru. Who is extremely bright and

intelligent in his search for understanding! :0)

 

No, Devendra, the grand Masters didn't meditate for years and years

for nothing. They did that for understanding. To attain

enlightenment. There are several level of awakening. Stage one,

stage two, stage three, four, five, six, and the seventh stage

awakening. The last one is " Basically " , that there is no one to

understand anything, or there is no one to be liberated! God is all

there is! inside and outside from the illusion of the I stuff. That

there is no I separated from anything. All is One!!

 

But my dear friend Devendra only a 7th stage master can understand

what they ment by that. A child just don't understand the bouddha,

the child tries to understand the Bouddha or Ramana and he plays and

have fun because he is playing the religious man. That child doesn't

know that he is the one, he will in the future look for? and he is

having such a fun!! :0) not a bouddha fun... but a fun! that is

ok! :0)

Do you guys understand why Ramakrishna said " I am Rama, I am

Krishna I am ramakrishna???

 

Well well well let me look in my notes, notes were are you , were

are my note my notes I need thoses notes I am the notes, notes! :0)))

and they answer proudly. Well, It meant that in his last

reincarnation he was both? Well that is what my notes say about it!

Notes writen by a non-beleiver of ramakrishna. I think it was from a

Nisargadatta's guy posting some postings that are not realy there

but there are there and... Let me check my notes I don't know how to

finish what I want to say!!! :0))

 

Adi Da Said that you guys can only talk talk non sense!! That is all

you can do!!! He said that in one of his satsang reunion. You cannot

laught at Great Masters " Without understanding what they are saying "

this is absolute madness and nonesense.

 

What if I say that Mozart doesn't know what he is talking about! If

we are talking music! You're a dead man!!! You are lost my friend

but truly profondly lost. Now what if beethoven says that Mozard

doesn't know what he is talking about! Well that and that only is an

interesting matter. They both know what they are talking about and

they are perfecting the art of music.

 

The words are dead letters but they mean a lot!

Dropping the letters or dropping understanding.

Is not don't learn to read or don't understand any way you will have

to drop understanding anyway has someone said in a posting!

 

Guys!! It's pure Madness! The madness of an enlightened one is not

the madness of a man in a psychiatric department!! for " Christ

sake " truly meaning for the love of christ!! :0)

 

I could easyly replied to " whom " did you sent that replied, ( anyway

we have to drop everything so!!) and " why? " If there is no I. Who

sent that postage and to help who and for what purpose? It will

never end!! :0)))

 

But if you tell them that Devendra!! They will reply as you wrote:

 

THE perfect rebuttal to the many " ENLIGHTENED "

> balsekarites moving around.

>

> i can hear it coming---

>

> " how do you know they are not enlightened? " ...

>

> " who is asking this question? " ......

>

> did'nt you guys know it ---

>

> IT IS ALL HAPPENING!!!!

>

> move around from relative to absolute by the flick of

> a button....it's sooooooooooo EASY.....

 

So what is for now Devendra, have you understood something?

If someone understood something, well I can die in peace. I would

have help at least someone.

:0)))

 

 

Please, masters,

 

I am an Balsekarites, I am a buddha believer, a Taoist too, A Ramana

follower, a Nisargadatta maharaj devotee cause in my heart I bow on

his feet. I am a Krishna foul, a bodhidharma student, a son of

Christ, I bow in front of Zen masters. Ramakrishna is my friend.

Nisargadatta's master, I serve him everyday! And he likes the food I

serve him. So please instruct me with your wisdom and understanding.

You guys can fool many but you won't fool " ME " :0)))) lol Smilesss

 

My sword is ready, my sheild is shinning!

This is going to be a " holy carnage " :0))

 

 

with much, much love!!

Alberto,