When 'you' say, I love 'you.'

[Guest guest]

When you say, I love you in an internet list,

what are you really saying and to whom?

Do you know me? You have read only a few posts,

that's all you know. You know only a few opinions,

I have expressed. So when you say, I love you,

Pete, you are, in reality saying, I like your

opinions.

Oh, I know, that out of these few opinions your

mind has fashioned an image of a Pete. But how

realistic can this image be? So when you say

I love you, you are just saying I love the ideas

I have about you. The statement is somewhat

self-serving, it proclaims that you are a loving

person. A lot of people in these lists always end

their messages with 'love,'even when the statement

above the 'love' wasn't very loving.

 

It pays to see how our minds fashion a pseudo-reality

out of mere scraps of data. And how conveniently the

mind forgets it had done that. When sages say the world

is illusion, they don't mean Consciousness is all,

they mean your mind loves to fool itself.

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

hey its just a way of being nice......dont be so ANGRY.

 

pls. dont try to analyse things to death...

 

what does :-) mean....

 

what do the hugs and kisses that were exchanged between carolina and

somebody ..i dont remember who ..mean...

 

wot else shud one say --- I hate you??!!!

 

rgds,

devendra

[Guest guest]

Pete,

 

if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be surprised

how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is so. It

has something to do with the fact that we are all not so separated

from each other as we think.

 

Love

Stefan

 

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

> When you say, I love you in an internet list,

> what are you really saying and to whom?

> Do you know me? You have read only a few posts,

> that's all you know. You know only a few opinions,

> I have expressed. So when you say, I love you,

> Pete, you are, in reality saying, I like your

> opinions.

> Oh, I know, that out of these few opinions your

> mind has fashioned an image of a Pete. But how

> realistic can this image be? So when you say

> I love you, you are just saying I love the ideas

> I have about you. The statement is somewhat

> self-serving, it proclaims that you are a loving

> person. A lot of people in these lists always end

> their messages with 'love,'even when the statement

> above the 'love' wasn't very loving.

>

> It pays to see how our minds fashion a pseudo-reality

> out of mere scraps of data. And how conveniently the

> mind forgets it had done that. When sages say the world

> is illusion, they don't mean Consciousness is all,

> they mean your mind loves to fool itself.

>

> Pete

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider "

<laughterx8@h...> wrote:

 

> o.k.

> just a wee tiny bit of

> love,

>

> ~*~ Donny

 

Hahaha!!! Great Donny... and... wonderful post!

[Guest guest]

> ----------

>

> Hi Pete,

>

>

> If in fact a person is applying " I am That " then they aren't

seeing

 

Love,

 

> a division between the 2 people, or the many people on an internet

> list, even if they can't see them visually, or don't have 5 years

of

> personal, face to face history with them. Then the qualifications

> and specifications of " love " and the rules surrounding that has

> become yours personally. If a person thinks they could love your

> ideas, or some aspect/part about you, is that still not love? Then

> what is your criteria for full-fledged love? Must a person love

> many other things as well, in order for it to " legally and

> justifiably " be called *love*?

>

> Must love be expressed in a certain way in order for it to

be " love " ?

>

> Truth is another form of love. Truth sometimes appears to one on

> the receiving end of it as being soft and gentle, or hard and

> harsh,,,as the saying goes: " the truth hurts. "

 

It is hurting me soo bad I can't stand it!! Truly!! I'm not that

happy for the moment! :0(

 

> If I can love myself and recognize that you are another set of my

> very own eyes,ears and brain, then why can't I just say I love

> that. Must I break it down into specifics? Should I not say, " I

> love you? or should I rather be specific and say, such and such

> about what you said or did, etc. is what I love? " And really,

what

> does it matter to disect it in such a fashion?

>

> Are you afraid of love? or are you afraid of embracing/loving

> yourself? or are you afraid of loving others? Or do you just wish

to

> protect yourself from it altogether? Or do you just think we

don't

> need love? Have you decided to transcend the idea of love

> altogether and throw it out?

>

> That's going to be rather difficult to do, because the other flip

> side of love is **hate**. The middle ground would

> be " indifference " . If you don't accept one form of it, it

> will come to claim you with another form...you decide in which

> form/experience you wish to accept it.

>

> You've said that: > " A lot of people in these lists always end

> > their messages with 'love,'even when the statement

> > above the 'love' wasn't very loving "

>

> So, it appears then that you identify the " wasn't very loving "

> aspect of the flip side of love...to some degree of non-love.

Then

> why the question about accepting the flip side of that, which is

> some degree and aspect of loving?

>

> How do you know the statements weren't loving? Do you have kids?

> Then you will know of the many faces of love. love has many faces

> in deed.

>

>

> I'm not sure what you mean here. Please clarify if you wish. (or

> not, whatever you like).

>

> o.k.

> just a wee tiny bit of

> love,

>

> ~*~ Donny

 

Donny if you understood that you can easely see God's love!

 

Alberto,

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " coolasafool " <coolasafool>

wrote:

> hey its just a way of being nice......dont be so ANGRY.

>

> pls. dont try to analyse things to death...

>

> what does :-) mean....

>

> what do the hugs and kisses that were exchanged between carolina

and

> somebody ..i dont remember who ..mean...

>

> wot else shud one say --- I hate you??!!!

>

> rgds,

> devendra

 

Boy! I'm glad you wrote that! You felt anger in that post? Was the

anger really there, or in your mind? Could not be that you just felt

the post's energy? A deconstructive energy aimed at certain

assumptions? Did you feel the energy was directed against you,

or other people? Could you point to a sentence in which this

was expressed? You, probably objected strongly to my post, and

felt the energy of your objection as my anger.

 

But let's talk about energy in writing. Most posts in these lists

are so bland. People just repeat concepts they have read, or thought

about. And the readers have heard those concepts many times before.

Their minds are jaded with familiarity. So a lot of energy is needed,

if one hopes, to make the mind notice a point. Have you ever notice

how full of energy Maharaj's words are? How can a book convey such

energy? neither the pages, nor the words can store energy, and yet,

somehow energy appears in your mind when reading them.

 

So I'm glad you feel that I'm angry. It's not decontructive energy

against any individual body/mind, but against the concepts they are

tied to.

 

Regarding the kisses and hugs with carolina, we have joked around

like that for years. It's just play, although I have seen her

picture and that's a face no man would refuse to kiss. )

 

Thanks for your reply

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

> Pete,

>

> if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

surprised

> how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is so.

It

> has something to do with the fact that we are all not so separated

> from each other as we think.

>

> Love

> Stefan

 

P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> wrote:

> > Pete,

> >

> > if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

> surprised

> > how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is so.

> It

> > has something to do with the fact that we are all not so separated

> > from each other as we think.

> >

> > Love

> > Stefan

>

> P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

 

 

 

I have some ideas..........I have some ideas..............You wanna hear my

ideas?

 

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider "

<laughterx8@h...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> >

Hi Donny,

A passionate response,I like that. Energy in a message is always

good. I can tell you feel strongly about love. But are people really

feeling love, when they type love on an email?

 

 

 

> D: If a person thinks they could love your

> ideas, or some aspect/part about you, is that still not love?

 

P Take a second look at that question. 'Think' they could love?

Is a thought of love, love? Would not 'like' be more applicable.

In English, love is a terribly abused word. I love pork chops, I love

my daughter, I love God, I love this toilet paper, you name it.

 

 

D:Then

> what is your criteria for full-fledged love? Must a person love

> many other things as well, in order for it to " legally and

> justifiably " be called *love*?

> >>

> If I can love myself and recognize that you are another set of my

> very own eyes,ears and brain, then why can't I just say I love

> that. Must I break it down into specifics? Should I not say, " I

> love you? or should I rather be specific and say, such and such

> about what you said or did, etc. is what I love? " And really, what

> does it matter to disect it in such a fashion?

 

P:If we are just chitchatting it doesn't matter if we pay much

attention to the words we use. But here, don't you think we ought

to know exactly what we mean when we write?

 

 

>

> D: Are you afraid of love? or are you afraid of embracing/loving

> yourself? or are you afraid of loving others? Or do you just wish

to

> protect yourself from it altogether?

 

P: I'm not afraid of anything at the present moment. I have not

been afraid of anything in years. That doesn't mean I could not

be afraid of something tomorrow.

 

D: Or do you just think we don't

> need love? Have you decided to transcend the idea of love

> altogether and throw it out?

 

P:Laugh- Donny, I was only talking about saying 'I love you' to a

projection on the internet. I love feeling love, who wouldn't? I

guess I have little imagination. It's hard for me to fall in love

with emails.

Is that OK by you? )

 

> >

> How do you know the statements weren't loving?

 

P: Well, i don't know maybe it's just me, but when people

say, " you are just an idiot, so full yourself and blah, blah...

 

Love, X-- That doesn't sound genuine, does it?

 

Good talking to you,

Oh what the heck!, maybe just for you, I could make an exception.

Love,

Pete

[Guest guest]

You had a small brown dog.....named Ca......... Cuu ....,,

hummmm....something

with a C.....or K.....(I;ll have to come back to that.)>>

 

Cujo? ROFL

 

(I believe I have called Pete 'mad dog' before)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> >

 

>But are people really

>feeling love, when they type love on an email?

 

I dont know which " people " you are referring to and who " people " are.

I suppose you know it the best about yourself. I for my part can

assure you, I only write " love " when I feel love. Thats how I am.

 

Love

S.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> wrote:

> > Pete,

> >

> > if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

> surprised

> > how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is

so.

> It

> > has something to do with the fact that we are all not so separated

> > from each other as we think.

> >

> > Love

> > Stefan

>

> P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

 

My Friend, if I told you now this would not be a prove and you know

this. I am not talking about my " ideas " . I do respect you...

S.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > Pete,

> > >

> > > if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

> > surprised

> > > how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is

so.

> > It

> > > has something to do with the fact that we are all not so

separated

> > > from each other as we think.

> > >

> > > Love

> > > Stefan

> >

> > P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

>

>

>

> I have some ideas..........I have some ideas..............You wanna

hear my ideas?

>

>

> toombaru

 

Believe it or not. I'm always happy to hear your ideas. I don't agree

whith most.... but... get a kick out of them... anyway....so...Shoot!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Pete,

> > > >

> > > > if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

> > > surprised

> > > > how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is

> so.

> > > It

> > > > has something to do with the fact that we are all not so

> separated

> > > > from each other as we think.

> > > >

> > > > Love

> > > > Stefan

> > >

> > > P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

> >

> >

> >

> > I have some ideas..........I have some ideas..............You wanna

> hear my ideas?

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Believe it or not. I'm always happy to hear your ideas. I don't agree

> whith most.... but... get a kick out of them... anyway....so...Shoot!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK Pete ......you asked for it......but you better sit down........Oh...I see

you are sitting

down..........What do you think so far........ I'm really pretty good at

this......I did it on

another list...and if everybody was honest.....I was well over 1/2 of one %

right on........

 

So Pete.....this is what I see:

 

As a child......you liked looking out the windows at school.

 

You had a small brown dog.....named Ca......... Cuu ....,,

hummmm....something

with a C.....or K.....(I;ll have to come back to that.)

 

Your favorite relative was your grandfather........I think......on your mother's

side.....yes

definitely on your mother's side.

 

You considered becoming an actor in high school.......but was not encouraged to

do so by

your parents......

 

Your hair is dark brown...graying around your ears..........

 

When you have to wear a tie......... (not often)...you prefer red...........You

have six

ties....two you've never worn.....and one you never will...(the one with the

hula girls)

 

Your socks are all the same color. (Something about easy matching)

 

You wear glasses to read...........and are thinking about laser surgery.

 

You have small scar on your left elbow.....from that argument with that little

Philippino

fellow......

 

You still think about that girl that sat next to you in High School............

 

and you like to go fishing...........but don't like to eat fish.

 

Your favorite color is..........purple keeps popping up..........but ....I think

its blue.......no

blue-green.

 

You are a little uncomfortable around clowns......and.you're not sure quite

why....

 

well.......................that's about it.

 

 

oh...................I'm getting something about a swimming accident when you

were

ten................no.............that was your cousin...........

 

so.........you surprised?

 

 

 

Hey...............I don't know where this stuff comes from..........You think

that maybe I got a

direct connection with that askayeck record thing or sumthin?

 

 

toombaru

 

 

PS .............I just couldn't get the name of that little dog..........He was

a cutie....remember

how he used to............................Oh I better stop.......

 

 

........but I could go on and on......

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...>

wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

> > wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan "

<s.petersilge@c...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Pete,

> > > > >

> > > > > if you could read your messages through my eyes you would

be

> > > > surprised

> > > > > how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it

is

> > so.

> > > > It

> > > > > has something to do with the fact that we are all not so

> > separated

> > > > > from each other as we think.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love

> > > > > Stefan

> > > >

> > > > P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have some ideas..........I have some ideas..............You

wanna

> > hear my ideas?

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Believe it or not. I'm always happy to hear your ideas. I don't

agree

> > whith most.... but... get a kick out of them...

anyway....so...Shoot!

>

OK Pete ......you asked for it......but you better sit

down........Oh...I see you are sitting

> down..........What do you think so far........ I'm really pretty

good at this......I did it on

> another list...and if everybody was honest.....I was well over 1/2

of one % right on........

>

> So Pete.....this is what I see:

>

> As a child......you liked looking out the windows at school.

>

> You had a small brown dog.....named Ca.........

Cuu ....,, hummmm....something

> with a C.....or K.....(I;ll have to come back to that.)

>

> Your favorite relative was your grandfather........I think......on

your mother's side.....yes

> definitely on your mother's side.

>

> You considered becoming an actor in high school.......but was not

encouraged to do so by

> your parents......

>

> Your hair is dark brown...graying around your ears..........

>

> When you have to wear a tie......... (not often)...you prefer

red...........You have six

> ties....two you've never worn.....and one you never will...(the one

with the hula girls)

>

> Your socks are all the same color. (Something about easy matching)

>

> You wear glasses to read...........and are thinking about laser

surgery.

>

> You have small scar on your left elbow.....from that argument with

that little Philippino

> fellow......

>

> You still think about that girl that sat next to you in High

School............

>

> and you like to go fishing...........but don't like to eat fish.

>

> Your favorite color is..........purple keeps popping

up..........but ....I think its blue.......no

> blue-green.

>

> You are a little uncomfortable around clowns......and.you're not

sure quite why....

>

> well.......................that's about it.

>

>

> oh...................I'm getting something about a swimming

accident when you were

> ten................no.............that was your cousin...........

>

> so.........you surprised?

>

>

>

> Hey...............I don't know where this stuff comes

from..........You think that maybe I got a

> direct connection with that askayeck record thing or sumthin?

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

> PS .............I just couldn't get the name of that little

dog..........He was a cutie....remember

> how he used to............................Oh I better stop.......

>

>

> .......but I could go on and on......

 

Toom you made a believer out of me! You were a 100% right on the

first 3. Then it was all down hill, until the wearing glasses, but

no laser surgery. No, I have not thought about that girl in High

School who sat on my lap in years. I don't even remember her name

anymore.

So 4 out 14. 28.5 % right. Not what ISP experts drull about.

I guess the trick of being a mind reader is to know when to

quit. But it was a lot of fun!

 

Thanks,

 

Pete

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , freyjartist@a... wrote:

> You had a small brown dog.....named Ca......... Cuu ....,,

> hummmm....something

> with a C.....or K.....(I;ll have to come back to that.)>>

>

> Cujo? ROFL

 

P: I don't remember the name of the dog, nor the girl. One of the two

sat on my lap, or both. Not at the same time, that I remember.

>

> (I believe I have called Pete 'mad dog' before)

 

P:Was it when I had your right ankle in my jaws?

>

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > Pete,

> > >

> > > if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

> > surprised

> > > how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it is

> so.

> > It

> > > has something to do with the fact that we are all not so

separated

> > > from each other as we think.

> > >

> > > Love

> > > Stefan

> >

> > P: Prove it! Tell me your ideas about me.

>

> My Friend, if I told you now this would not be a prove and you know

> this. I am not talking about my " ideas " . I do respect you...

> S.

 

P:You have heard it at weddings, am sure. Speak now, or remain for

ever silent. Matter of fact, those who don't speak plainly, would be

better of, if they remained silent. Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

> Boy! I'm glad you wrote that! You felt anger in that

> post? Was the

> anger really there, or in your mind? Could not be

> that you just felt

> the post's energy? A deconstructive energy aimed at

> certain

> assumptions? Did you feel the energy was directed

> against you,

> or other people? Could you point to a sentence in

> which this

> was expressed? You, probably objected strongly to my

> post, and

> felt the energy of your objection as my anger.

>

> But let's talk about energy in writing. Most posts

> in these lists

> are so bland. People just repeat concepts they have

> read, or thought

> about. And the readers have heard those concepts

> many times before.

> Their minds are jaded with familiarity. So a lot of

> energy is needed,

> if one hopes, to make the mind notice a point. Have

> you ever notice

> how full of energy Maharaj's words are? How can a

> book convey such

> energy? neither the pages, nor the words can store

> energy, and yet,

> somehow energy appears in your mind when reading

> them.

>

> So I'm glad you feel that I'm angry. It's not

> decontructive energy

> against any individual body/mind, but against the

> concepts they are

> tied to.

>

> Regarding the kisses and hugs with carolina, we have

> joked around

> like that for years. It's just play, although I have

> seen her

> picture and that's a face no man would refuse to

> kiss. )

>

> Thanks for your reply

>

> Pete

>

 

arre baba (o my god)...soooo many concepts....i simply

wrote that mail in jest.....where does angry and all

the others come into this.

sorry,my brain is not so overheated...

 

 

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

 

>I love feeling love, who wouldn't? I guess I have little imagination.

>It's hard for me to fall in love with emails.

 

There are different kinds of love, Pete. There is the love that

depends on objects... It is choosy. It prefers this from that. It is

a dependent feeling, desired. This is what you are talking about.

 

And then there is LOVE which finds itself in all phenomenons - it is

unconditional. When you become aware of this LOVE it makes no

difference if it finds itself in a bird, in a tree or in an email ...

it is everywhere ...

 

Love

Stefan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

 

>>My Friend, if I told you now this would not be a prove and you know

>>this. I am not talking about my " ideas " . I do respect you...

>>S.

>

> P:You have heard it at weddings, am sure. Speak now, or remain for

> ever silent. Matter of fact, those who don't speak plainly, would be

> better of, if they remained silent. Just a thought.

 

I am not sure what you want to say, Pete. See, I am not against you!

Dont you understand this? I am not your enemy. You and me, we are two

leaves on the same tree. When I will hurt you I will hurt the tree. Do

you want me to prove this by hurting you?

 

I will remain silent, if you wish. I dont want to be hurt by you. I am

vulnerable.

 

Remember what I had said:

 

" if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

surprised how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know it

is so. It has something to do with the fact that we are all not so

separated from each other as we think. "

 

I was talking about love, brother!

 

S.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> >I love feeling love, who wouldn't? I guess I have little imagination.

> >It's hard for me to fall in love with emails.

>

> There are different kinds of love, Pete. There is the love that

> depends on objects... It is choosy. It prefers this from that. It is

> a dependent feeling, desired. This is what you are talking about.

>

> And then there is LOVE which finds itself in all phenomenons - it is

> unconditional. When you become aware of this LOVE it makes no

> difference if it finds itself in a bird, in a tree or in an email ...

> it is everywhere ...

>

> Love

> Stefan

 

 

 

 

All love is conditional.

 

toombaru

[Guest guest]

>

> arre baba (o my god)...soooo many concepts....i simply

> wrote that mail in jest.....where does angry and all

> the others come into this.

> sorry,my brain is not so overheated...

 

 

Hey Devre,

 

I think you have a double standard about concepts. When

it comes to your concepts, or the concepts you like,

they are OK. Since you came here, you have writing

hundreds of concepts. Just today, your answer to Muralis

was three times longer than anything I have ever written here.

So saying, I write sooo many concepts and my head is

overheated is disingenuous, to say the least.

 

It's like when you answer to Tony and me, and end with

I don't want to discus this anymore. So what you really

want is to give us your concepts, and we are suppose

to accept them without disturbing them.

 

Let's face it Devre, if you don't want to hear other people's

concepts, why are you here? No one can write anything other

than concepts. I guess you came to teach us, eh?, and that's ok,

but we are going to teach back, Devre. That's the way it works!

 

And, I mentioned anger because you wrote I was angry. I was not

angry then, and I'm not angry now. It's all your projection.

But, as long as you say something which I consider wrong,

I'm going to rebut it.

 

Like you are against Balkesar, and call it Balseboy. Well it's

OK not to like what he says. I don't like it either. But, really,

you don't have to call him Balseboy. That's a cheap.

It's just your opinion, that he is not a sage, and someone else

who you like is a master, and his words should be taking as truth.

Is all just based in what you like, Devre. It's all about YUO.

 

I'm not angry, dude, you need to hear these things.You came here to

learn about Devre. Well let me tell you, You are a laugh!

 

Pete

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

>

> >>My Friend, if I told you now this would not be a prove and you

know

> >>this. I am not talking about my " ideas " . I do respect you...

> >>S.

> >

> > P:You have heard it at weddings, am sure. Speak now, or remain

for

> > ever silent. Matter of fact, those who don't speak plainly, would

be

> > better of, if they remained silent. Just a thought.

>

> I am not sure what you want to say, Pete. See, I am not against you!

> Dont you understand this? I am not your enemy. You and me, we are

two

> leaves on the same tree. When I will hurt you I will hurt the tree.

Do

> you want me to prove this by hurting you?

>

> I will remain silent, if you wish. I dont want to be hurt by you. I

am

> vulnerable.

>

> Remember what I had said:

>

> " if you could read your messages through my eyes you would be

> surprised how much I can see from YOU. I dont know why. But I know

it

> is so. It has something to do with the fact that we are all not so

> separated from each other as we think. "

>

> I was talking about love, brother!

 

Hi Stephen,

 

I know you are not my enemy, I knew you were not going to try to

insult me. You are not understanding my words. I said no one really

knew me, and you responded in a way, that I understood as saying:

I know you Pete.

All I say to you is Prove you know me. It might be you were just

saying you learned from me, and I didn't understand it, the way

you phrase it. Then, you went all mystical about ethereal knowing.

It's OK. I know you mean well, and I like

what you write, sometimes.

 

Take care,

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Toombarus, I had written:

 

>And then there is LOVE which finds itself in all phenomenons - it is

>unconditional. When you become aware of this LOVE it makes no

>difference if it finds itself in a bird, in a tree or in an email ...

>it is everywhere ...

 

And you have answered:

 

>All love is conditional.

 

Tell me about the conditions of such love.

 

Greetings

Stefan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote:

> Hi Toombarus, I had written:

>

> >And then there is LOVE which finds itself in all phenomenons - it is

> >unconditional. When you become aware of this LOVE it makes no

> >difference if it finds itself in a bird, in a tree or in an email ...

> >it is everywhere ...

>

> And you have answered:

>

> >All love is conditional.

>

> Tell me about the conditions of such love.

>

> Greetings

> Stefan

 

 

 

 

Every " thing " emerges from within the milieu of conditions..........every thing

" exists " only in relation to everything else....... " love " needs a subject and

and object.......

 

Mind resonates to the concept of a " primal love " ......a substrate.....out of

which the dream emerges......but....that is....perhaps ...only part of the

dream.......a more subtle longing......for quiet waters......

 

****************************************

Stefan.............

 

What if there were nothing......beyond..........this......

 

.........this very moment?

 

no enlightenment.......no god......no love............nothing?

 

 

What if......THIS.....is all there ever was?