Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Hi Toombarus, I had written: > > > > >And then there is LOVE which finds itself in all phenomenons - it is > > >unconditional. When you become aware of this LOVE it makes no > > >difference if it finds itself in a bird, in a tree or in an email ... > > >it is everywhere ... > > > > And you have answered: > > > > >All love is conditional. > > > > Tell me about the conditions of such love. > > > > Greetings > > Stefan > > > > > Every " thing " emerges from within the milieu of conditions..........every thing " exists " only in relation to everything else....... " love " needs a subject and and object....... > > Mind resonates to the concept of a " primal love " ......a substrate.....out of which the dream emerges......but....that is....perhaps ...only part of the dream.......a more subtle longing......for quiet waters...... > > **************************************** > Stefan............. > > What if there were nothing......beyond..........this...... > > ........this very moment? > > no enlightenment.......no god......no love............nothing? > > > What if......THIS.....is all there ever was? ******************************************* .........and can you see that your wanting more then THIS.....that your attempt to understand THIS...is just one more nuance of ...........THIS? ******************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > Hi Toombarus, I had written: > > > > > > >And then there is LOVE which finds itself in all phenomenons - it is > > > >unconditional. When you become aware of this LOVE it makes no > > > >difference if it finds itself in a bird, in a tree or in an email ... > > > >it is everywhere ... > > > > > > And you have answered: > > > > > > >All love is conditional. > > > > > > Tell me about the conditions of such love. > > > > > > Greetings > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Every " thing " emerges from within the milieu of conditions..........every thing " exists " only in relation to everything else....... " love " needs a subject and and object....... > > > > Mind resonates to the concept of a " primal love " ......a substrate.....out of which the dream emerges......but....that is....perhaps ...only part of the dream.......a more subtle longing......for quiet waters...... > > > > **************************************** > > Stefan............. > > > > What if there were nothing......beyond..........this...... > > > > ........this very moment? > > > > no enlightenment.......no god......no love............nothing? > > > > > > What if......THIS.....is all there ever was? > > ******************************************* > > ........and can you see that your wanting more then THIS.....that your attempt to understand THIS...is just one more nuance of ...........THIS? > > > ******************************************* .......and that.... if you could somehow see that.......that......would disappear into..............THIS........ *************************************** Can you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 > (I believe I have called Pete 'mad dog' before) P:Was it when I had your right ankle in my jaws? > F: It must have been when you were beating someone up with a zen club...... meanie, meanie, meanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 You wrote: > " love " needs a subject and and object... Toombaru, I am unsecure about your position. Sometimes you refer to Nisargadatta, sometimes you are presenting a completely different view, which is o.k. of course. But, what shall I say? You simply dont recognize this love beyond duality that Nisargadatta was continously referring to. " Looking for causes and results is but the pastime of the mind. What is, is lovable. Love is not a result, it is the very ground of being. Wherever you go, you will find being, consciousness and love. " (Nisargadatta in " I am That " ) >Stefan, what if there were nothing beyond this... this very moment? >no enlightenment... no god... no love... nothing? >What if THIS is all there ever was? Ahh: You have written THIS. What if I say: " no enlightenment/no god/no love/nothing/THIS " is the same like " ONE being/ONE love/ONE consciousness " ? I have come to the conclusion that ONE *is* ... otherwise it would be impossible that " I dream " . Can you see that there is a force? The fact that our mind is not capable of grasping it has no importance. We are not our mind. >and can you see that your wanting more then THIS that your attempt to >understand THIS is just one more nuance of THIS? I can see this, but really I want not nore than THIS. I have seen THIS and I was pulled back and left thirsty with a burning fire inside of me. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 >and can you see that your wanting more then THIS... that your attempt >to understand THIS...is just one more nuance of ... THIS? >...and that if you could somehow see that... that would disappear >into THIS... Can you see that? yes, I see that... it disappears... and a new " that " arises... S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > You wrote: > > " love " needs a subject and and object... > > Toombaru, I am unsecure about your position. Sometimes you refer to > Nisargadatta, sometimes you are presenting a completely different > view, which is o.k. of course. But, what shall I say? You simply dont > recognize this love beyond duality that Nisargadatta was continously > referring to. > > " Looking for causes and results is but the pastime of the mind. What > is, is lovable. Love is not a result, it is the very ground of being. > Wherever you go, you will find being, consciousness and love. " > (Nisargadatta in " I am That " ) > > >Stefan, what if there were nothing beyond this... this very moment? > >no enlightenment... no god... no love... nothing? > >What if THIS is all there ever was? > > Ahh: You have written THIS. > > What if I say: " no enlightenment/no god/no love/nothing/THIS " is the > same like " ONE being/ONE love/ONE consciousness " ? I have come to the > conclusion that ONE *is* ... otherwise it would be impossible that > " I dream " . Can you see that there is a force? The whirlpool cannot ever see the river.............it is only a temporary movement....within the river........it could never grasp its relationship to that which it already is...... In fact there is no " relationship " between the whirlpood...and the river.....they are one. In order to " see " " that force " ..... " I " would have to be separate from it......which by definition....would be impossible.......... The fact that our mind > is not capable of grasping it has no importance. We are not our mind. " We " ....are nothing other....then mind. " We " have no existential reality....outside of mind. There is no such thing as " our " mind. > > >and can you see that your wanting more then THIS that your attempt to > >understand THIS is just one more nuance of THIS? > > I can see this, but really I want not nore than THIS. I have seen THIS > and I was pulled back and left thirsty with a burning fire inside of > me. That.............is part of THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > >and can you see that your wanting more then THIS... that your attempt > >to understand THIS...is just one more nuance of ... THIS? > >...and that if you could somehow see that... that would disappear > >into THIS... Can you see that? > > yes, I see that... it disappears... and a new " that " arises... yes...... waves rising and subsiding like THIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Toombaru, beautiful talk until here... but now... is your mind going on autopilot again? >The whirlpool cannot ever see the river... it is only a temporary >movement....within the river... >it could never grasp its relationship to that which it already is... I had asked: " Can you see that there is a force? " ... The whirlpool - if it had consciousness - could feel that it is whirling and conclude there is a force. Moreover the whirlpool cannot be defined without the river. BTW... a whirlpool can as well be seen as a phenomenon and thus separate from the river. One can put those images ever as one likes... >In fact there is no " relationship " between the whirlpood and the >river, they are one. >In order to " see " " that force " " I " would have to be separate from it, >which by definition would be impossible... This is irellevant to my question: " can you see that there *is* a force. " Every person can realize that there is a force. Who denies this is ignorant. I cannot think of anyone who has denied this, even not Sartre... I have said " We are not our mind. " And your auto pilot has typed: > " We " ....are nothing other....then mind. > " We " have no existential reality....outside of mind. >There is no such thing as " our " mind. All wrong, if following your own logic regarding THIS ... - see below: >and can you see that your wanting more then THIS that your attempt to >understand THIS is just one more nuance of THIS? simply: everything is THIS ... nuances of this... >>I can see this, but really I want not nore than THIS. I have seen >>THIS and I was pulled back and left thirsty with a burning fire >>inside of me. >That.............is part of THIS! oh yes, and... THIS is THIS. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , freyjartist@a... wrote: > > (I believe I have called Pete 'mad dog' before) > > P:Was it when I had your right ankle in my jaws? > > > > > F: It must have been when you were beating someone > up with a zen club...... > meanie, meanie, meanie Yeah, I get carried away by the wonderful sound the club beats out of hollow head. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , freyjartist@a... wrote: > > > (I believe I have called Pete 'mad dog' before) > > > > P:Was it when I had your right ankle in my jaws? > > > > > > > > > F: It must have been when you were beating someone > > up with a zen club...... > > meanie, meanie, meanie > > Yeah, I get carried away by the wonderful sound the club > beats out of hollow head. LOL Namaste, But zen are you going to wake up to yourSelf?.........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.