Kundalinli-Prana-Surges.

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Namaste All,IMO,

 

Kundalini is our own Universal Mind. It rises in the Heart and goes

directly to the brain on awakening. Prana or energy is the

instrument of Kundalini-Sakti, Sakti/Grace isn't the energy but the

Creator/Goddess/Saguna Brahman of the energy. With the disturbance

of the gunas, action or karma begins. There is only karma and prana

in this universe.

 

The nightly surges may or may not be kundalini-prana.

Let us assume that they are, then it is a cleansing action that is

working on the mind, particularly the intellectual/awareness sheath

or Vijnanamayakosa. As the sheath is cleansed so to speak the surges

will diminish, until at a more advanced level they will be barely

perceptible in meditation.

 

There may be some disturbance of thoughts and ideas during this

cleansing, like a broom disturbs all the floor not just that which

it is sweeping so to speak.

 

There is only one way to control the surges and direct them and that

is through prayer or japa/rosary. It has to be channeled back so to

speak, so it flows much easier as it accomplishes its Spiritual task

so to speak. Otherwise unchanneled prana may disturb the mind or the

sexual activities in the lower cakras, instead of rising to the

Heart Cakra initially.

 

This is the importance of practise or sadhana. One has to

concentrate on Prayer or a Godform of some kind. Or even an

affirmation of some spiritual nature. 'Who am I' will do fine. The

first time the prana surged in me, or the first time it really was

heavy, I fell over in shock. I was sitting cross-legged on the floor

meditating. I had felt surges throughout my life from childhood, but

attributed it to rocks and my surroundings etc. This time it was

heavy for I had stepped on to the path through taking up meditation,

so opening the door so to speak. I had also taken up some

preparatory breathing exercises or pranayama.

I notice mild and pleasant movement during meditation, these days,

and as Sarada Devi said, Japa will raise the Kundalini, or

Consciousness.

 

Kundalini arising to the Crown Cakra doesn't result in Moksha the

Kundalini-Prana or mind has to be absorbed into the Heart or Self.

In the end the timing of all this is Karmic as is everything.....Om

Namah Sivaya...Tony.

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Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote:

> Namaste All,IMO,

>

> Kundalini is our own Universal Mind. It rises in the Heart and goes

> directly to the brain on awakening. Prana or energy is the

> instrument of Kundalini-Sakti, Sakti/Grace isn't the energy but the

> Creator/Goddess/Saguna Brahman of the energy. With the disturbance

> of the gunas, action or karma begins. There is only karma and prana

> in this universe.

>

> The nightly surges may or may not be kundalini-prana.

> Let us assume that they are, then it is a cleansing action that is

> working on the mind, particularly the intellectual/awareness sheath

> or Vijnanamayakosa. As the sheath is cleansed so to speak the surges

> will diminish, until at a more advanced level they will be barely

> perceptible in meditation.

>

> There may be some disturbance of thoughts and ideas during this

> cleansing, like a broom disturbs all the floor not just that which

> it is sweeping so to speak.

>

> There is only one way to control the surges and direct them and that

> is through prayer or japa/rosary. It has to be channeled back so to

> speak, so it flows much easier as it accomplishes its Spiritual task

> so to speak. Otherwise unchanneled prana may disturb the mind or the

> sexual activities in the lower cakras, instead of rising to the

> Heart Cakra initially.

>

> This is the importance of practise or sadhana. One has to

> concentrate on Prayer or a Godform of some kind. Or even an

> affirmation of some spiritual nature. 'Who am I' will do fine. The

> first time the prana surged in me, or the first time it really was

> heavy, I fell over in shock. I was sitting cross-legged on the floor

> meditating. I had felt surges throughout my life from childhood, but

> attributed it to rocks and my surroundings etc. This time it was

> heavy for I had stepped on to the path through taking up meditation,

> so opening the door so to speak. I had also taken up some

> preparatory breathing exercises or pranayama.

> I notice mild and pleasant movement during meditation, these days,

> and as Sarada Devi said, Japa will raise the Kundalini, or

> Consciousness.

>

> Kundalini arising to the Crown Cakra doesn't result in Moksha the

> Kundalini-Prana or mind has to be absorbed into the Heart or Self.

> In the end the timing of all this is Karmic as is everything.....Om

> Namah Sivaya...Tony.

 

 

 

 

 

My goodness........Did you come up with all this by your self?

[Guest guest]

From which book/scripture is this concept copied

 

M,

 

 

Tony OClery [aoclery]

Friday, October 01, 2004 1:11 AM

Nisargadatta

Kundalinli-Prana-Surges.

 

 

Namaste All,IMO,

 

Kundalini is our own Universal Mind. It rises in the Heart and goes

directly to the brain on awakening. Prana or energy is the

instrument of Kundalini-Sakti, Sakti/Grace isn't the energy but the

Creator/Goddess/Saguna Brahman of the energy. With the disturbance

of the gunas, action or karma begins. There is only karma and prana

in this universe.

 

The nightly surges may or may not be kundalini-prana.

Let us assume that they are, then it is a cleansing action that is

working on the mind, particularly the intellectual/awareness sheath

or Vijnanamayakosa. As the sheath is cleansed so to speak the surges

will diminish, until at a more advanced level they will be barely

perceptible in meditation.

 

There may be some disturbance of thoughts and ideas during this

cleansing, like a broom disturbs all the floor not just that which

it is sweeping so to speak.

 

There is only one way to control the surges and direct them and that

is through prayer or japa/rosary. It has to be channeled back so to

speak, so it flows much easier as it accomplishes its Spiritual task

so to speak. Otherwise unchanneled prana may disturb the mind or the

sexual activities in the lower cakras, instead of rising to the

Heart Cakra initially.

 

This is the importance of practise or sadhana. One has to

concentrate on Prayer or a Godform of some kind. Or even an

affirmation of some spiritual nature. 'Who am I' will do fine. The

first time the prana surged in me, or the first time it really was

heavy, I fell over in shock. I was sitting cross-legged on the floor

meditating. I had felt surges throughout my life from childhood, but

attributed it to rocks and my surroundings etc. This time it was

heavy for I had stepped on to the path through taking up meditation,

so opening the door so to speak. I had also taken up some

preparatory breathing exercises or pranayama.

I notice mild and pleasant movement during meditation, these days,

and as Sarada Devi said, Japa will raise the Kundalini, or

Consciousness.

 

Kundalini arising to the Crown Cakra doesn't result in Moksha the

Kundalini-Prana or mind has to be absorbed into the Heart or Self.

In the end the timing of all this is Karmic as is everything.....Om

Namah Sivaya...Tony.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta@> thank you for these ideas,

>

> It's been my experience that this particular sentence:

> >>>There is only one way to control the surges and direct them and

> that is through prayer or japa/rosary.

>

> isn't my experience.

>

> While japa is one method, it's not the " only way " . It reminds me

of

> the Mormon church teach teaching that claim their church is the

one

> and only true church on the face of the earth.

>

> If the goal is to control or direct surges, or thought for that

> matter, then there are different ways, and some ways may work

better

> for some and others better for others. Why else are the so many

> ways. If everything worked the same for all of us we'd all be

doing

> the very same things in life, eating the same thig, etc. Clearly

we

> are not.

 

Namaste,

 

It is the same thing, an affirmation or concentration of

attention............ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE

Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote:

> From which book/scripture is this concept copied

 

Namaste,

 

Copied from nothing! My own experiences that's all..However there

will be influences from my general studies and sadhana, Ramana

Maharshi etc etc.But most was a response to a question that's

all......ONS..Tony.

[Guest guest]

<Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote:

> > From which book/scripture is this concept copied

>

> Namaste,

>

> Copied from nothing! My own experiences that's all..However there

> will be influences from my general studies and sadhana, Ramana

> Maharshi etc etc.But most was a response to a question that's

> all......ONS..Tony.

 

 

 

its me in spiritual emergences again

posted at Harsha's

 

all I can add, that there are times

when one can do nothing just endure

 

 

metta, Era

 

http://www.zoofence.com/amper.html

 

from U G Krishnamurti:

 

I have no particular message for

mankind, except to say that all holy

systems for obtaining enlightenment

are nonsense and that all talk of

arriving at a psychological mutation

through awareness is rubbish.

 

Psychological mutation is impossible

The natural state can happen only

through biological mutation.

 

****

Consciousness has to flush itself

out: it has to purge itself of every

trace of holiness and of every

trace of unholiness, of everything.

Even what you consider 'sacred'

and 'holy' is a contamination in

that consciousness. Yet it does not

happen through any volition of

yours.

 

When once the frontiers are broken --

although not through any effort

or volition of yours -- then the

floodgates are open and everything

goes out.

 

******

 

You cannot be aware; you and

awareness cannot co-exist. If you

could be in a state of awareness

for one second by the clock, once

in your life, the continuity would

be snapped. The illusion of the experiencing structure, the " you " ,

would collapse, and everything would

fall into the natural rhythm.

 

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