Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Prior to World War Two......many islanders in the South Seas had not seen a lot of airplanes up close. Once they found out that the plains held a lot of good things...they developed ways to attract the plains to their villages. They built simulated runways....complete with lights...and even constructed small models out of wood...that would hopefully attract the airplanes thay saw flying overhead.......... As far as I know.......I never worked.................... What the hell were they thinking? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > Prior to World War Two......many islanders in the South Seas had not seen a lot of airplanes > up close. > > Once they found out that the plains held a lot of good things...they developed ways to > attract the plains to their villages. > > They built simulated runways....complete with lights...and even constructed small models > out of wood...that would hopefully attract the airplanes thay saw flying overhead.......... > > As far as I know.......I never worked.................... > > What the hell were they thinking? > > > *************************************** We laugh at people in Melanesia....who are stimulated by the desire to enrich or improve their life........ who......through a series of erroneous assumptions develop a stratedgy.....in an attempt to manipulate their enviornment to lean in their favor..... We will chuckle at their child-like naivete..........and in the same breath.... ask our god to heal a sick wife or plead to a guru........to grant us enlightenment.... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > We laugh at people in Melanesia....who are stimulated by the desire to enrich or improve their life........ who......through a series of erroneous assumptions develop a stratedgy.....in an attempt to manipulate their enviornment to lean in their favor..... > > > We will chuckle at their child-like naivete..........and in the same breath.... ask our god to heal a sick wife or plead to a guru........to grant us enlightenment.... > > > > toombaru 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 Isn't Melanasia a polynesian country? lol. Did you mean amnesia? Spiritual amnesia? I was under the impression that everyone manipulates their environment to varying degrees and levels. Weather it's a conscious manipulation of attitude, thought, or action, to some degree I've never yet met a person walking on earth who hasn't 'had' to do it to some degree. Just to keep the illusion and experience intact demands manipulation. Rqther, the question then becomes what kind of choices and thoughts one want to produce in order to consciously create/manipulate the experience they'd like to desire. Even having a human no-thing experience demands a form of manipulation and personal interpretation of what they want to achieve or what that means to them. The unconscious aspect doesn't allow for conscious direction. Even being in flow demands a degree of consciousness and manipulation and choice. If you want to experience sadness, you consciously find out what choices will produce that. And likewise with joy. And likewise with non emotions,,,and the varying degrees in between. I choose to laugh. In my mind I'm viewing a comedy. I viewed " no thing " and it wasn't very entertaining. Actually, I didn't even have much ability to know it wasn't entertaining. To each their own. What do you mean by 'erroneous assumptions " ? Assumptions are only erroneous when we have no conscious idea of what choices will or can create the experience you wish to achieve. If you're on planet earth walking with 2 legs, you've chosen to create some type of experience. Assumptions lose their erroneous nature with conscious direction and understanding. Lord Shiva himself manipulates to produce his desired environment. He just happens to consciously know what effect he wants to experience and how to manipulate it to get it. Everyone wants to manipulate something,,,no one really understands how to consciously do it. Even ending the manipulation is a manipulation. Possibly the hardest one to grasp. If you want to go into a non-manipulative state while still on planet earth -- good luck!! I see a lot of people running away from the very illusion that allows them the goal of manipulation, wow!!! that's a recipe for spiritual insanity!! I wonder how my beloved Alberto is doing and if he's o.k. right now. in caring and sharing, ~*~ Donny 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " goldenrainbowrider " <laughterx8@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > We laugh at people in Melanesia....who are stimulated by the > desire to enrich or improve their life........ who......through a > series of erroneous assumptions develop a stratedgy.....in an > attempt to manipulate their enviornment to lean in their favor..... > > > > > > We will chuckle at their child-like naivete..........and in the > same breath.... ask our god to heal a sick wife or plead to a > guru........to grant us enlightenment.... > > > > > > > > toombaru > > 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 > > Isn't Melanasia a polynesian country? lol. > Did you mean amnesia? Spiritual amnesia? > > I was under the impression that everyone manipulates their > environment to varying degrees and levels. Manipulation of the enviornment by a so called individual is not in question......it is that individual's illusion of personal chioce.......we are discussing. > Weather it's a conscious manipulation of attitude, thought, or > action, to some degree I've never yet met a person walking on earth > who hasn't 'had' to do it to some degree. Movement occurs....change flows.......... " personal choice " .........does not exist. Just to keep the illusion > and experience intact demands manipulation. > > Rqther, the question then becomes what kind of choices and thoughts > one want to produce in order to consciously create/manipulate the > experience they'd like to desire. First you assume that what you call " choice " is real........then attempt to disect it. As least the Cargo Cults knew that there was something good in those plane that they tried to attract to their little air fields..... What you have labeled " choice " is only and asumption....a belief........It does not exist. > > Even having a human no-thing experience demands a form of > manipulation and personal interpretation of what they want to > achieve or what that means to them. I don'tknow what you mean here. > > The unconscious aspect doesn't allow for >conscious direction. " Unconscious " ....... " conscious " ......are concepts that emerge downsteam form the assumption of separation........ One should never drink the water.....downstream from sewage plant..... Even > being in flow demands a degree of consciousness and manipulation and > choice. It appears that way. > > If you want to experience sadness, you consciously find out what > choices will produce that. And likewise with joy. And likewise > with non emotions,,,and the varying degrees in between. > > I choose to laugh. In my mind I'm viewing a comedy. How about.......If you choose......to go live on the sun?..........or maybe......vacation this year on Venus...... And why do you suppose that is unlikely to occur? > > I viewed " no thing " and it wasn't very entertaining. Actually, I > didn't even have much ability to know it wasn't entertaining. There is no " I " .....to know anything. > > To each their own. Indeed. > > What do you mean by 'erroneous assumptions " ? The belief that within the I-Amness.....lives a volitional entity. > Assumptions are only erroneous when we have no conscious idea of > what choices will or can create the experience you wish to achieve. Again..........I am lost. > If you're on planet earth walking with 2 legs, you've chosen to > create some type of experience. That's the accepted belief.........and once accepted.......the zombee jamboree.....commences........ > Assumptions lose their erroneous nature with conscious direction and > understanding. That which is unreal....cannot be undrestood. and every thing is unreal. > > Lord Shiva himself manipulates to produce his desired environment. > He just happens to consciously know what effect he wants to > experience and how to manipulate it to get it. Lord Shiva......is not real........... > > Everyone wants to manipulate something,,,no one really understands > how to consciously do it. Even ending the manipulation is a > manipulation. Possibly the hardest one to grasp. > If you want to go into a non-manipulative state while still on > planet earth -- good luck!! .......but......if we truly have choice.....why can't we choose not to? I see a lot of people running away from > the very illusion that allows them the goal of manipulation, wow!!! > that's a recipe for spiritual insanity!! I wonder how my beloved > Alberto is doing and if he's o.k. right now. He's o.k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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