Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....................and the " vividissected " child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......was vividissected by God himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you see now the meaning of cruelty? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Cruelty " .....implies intent......intent implies volition..... > > > > > > > > > > The word.....cruelty.......is meaningless...... > > > > > > > > What bull, Toom! If someone would torture one of your > > grandchildren, > > > > will cruelty still have no meaning? > > > > > > > > > > > > It would only be relative to a me-ness......an identified > > supposition................ > > > > > > Can the people in your dream last night be cruel?....... > > > > > > I guess that they can.....in a way......... > > > > P: Yes, they can. And that's a crucial point in not > > getting lost in the advaita landscape. Suffering has > > the same painful quality in dreams, that it has in > > the waking state. Suffering transcend the concepts > > of real and unreal. Suffering and pain can't not > > be defused by labeling them as illusory. Suffering only > > loses its sting when the 'I feeling' is not there. > > So the Buddha said: " There is suffering, but no > > sufferer is to be found. There is the Way, but > > no one walks on it. " > > > > Pete > > > I agree with this, Pete. > > When the suffering stings so much, and cannot be denied, > but then, somehow, some way, you are reminded; > and each time, die a little death...the suffering > loses its sting, and the Infinite Heart opens just > a little more. > > ~freyja Mind......any mind has no option but to agree only with concepts that harmonize with its storehouse of accumulated ....self-referential......beliefs. It cannot believe anything that it finds unbelievable. It is itself only and accumulation of beliefs.....picked up here and there......random flotsam....swirling around an empty " I " . and unfortunately.....it is the only tool available to itself.... in the attempt the understand its own limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > .... > > > Mind......any mind has no option but to agree only with concepts that harmonize with its storehouse of accumulated ....self- referential......beliefs. > > It cannot believe anything that it finds unbelievable. > > It is itself only and accumulation of beliefs.....picked up here and there......random flotsam....swirling around an empty " I " . > > and unfortunately.....it is the only tool available to itself.... in the attempt the understand its own limitations. I agree that the mind working through a forest of concepts, i.e. the rational intellect, is limited to its own collected storehouse of beliefs. However, every set of concepts - each bundle of labels - can only give a limited view of what is. Concepts are very valuable in getting a cohersive picture of what we experience. And that is good. Yet, the fact remains that every heap of concepts is static and limited in nature. Reality as is is a wholeness and within the whole there is the illusion of conflict. The rational intellect draws its conclutions from a limited and static heap of concepts, beliefs, whereas spiritual knowledge connects to the whole picture. So, a state of knowing beyond the intellect is what is required in order to get in touch with the larger picture. The recognition of the limitation of the intellect and the obviousness of the same intellect being limited to abstractions makes it easy to realize the foundation for a deeper reality. This means, that the tools available to an individual are not necessarily limited to intellectual concepts. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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