Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Maharaj: " Everybody is tying to understand the meaning of all this. t: There is no " free agent " that is attempting to understand..... > You are not understanding because you have all the swaddling > clothes of " I am this-or-that. " Remove then. " t: There is no way for a conceptual entity to remove conceptual clothing......... > > P:What is Maharaj saying here? He is saying as long as you have > an identity, even if that identity is " I am That " all your > understanding is a misunderstanding. t: There is nothing beyond " your " identity. Your identity is your totality...... > > M: " The ultimate point of view is that there is nothing to understand, t: ...........and no one to understand... > so when you try to understand, t: There is no " you " ....that is " trying to understaqnd " you are only indulging in acrobatics > of the mind. Whatever spiritual things you aspire to know are all > happening in the objective world, in the illusion, all your > activities, material and spiritual, are in this illusion. > All this is happening in the objective world, all is dishonesty, > there is no truth in this fraud. " > > P: Notice that Maharaj acknowleges the existence of the objective > and the material, but points out that our knowledge of it, t: There in no separate " we' to have..... or not have " knowledge " . is as > illusory, as our knowledge of anything spiritual is. > Maharaj concludes: > > " Whatever you have understood, you are not. Why are you getting > lost in concepts? You are not what you know, you are the knower. " t: The trouble with master-speak.....is that you have to be a master to really unerstand it.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Thanks for that Pete, Especially interesting for me is your remark about objects and the material world and that hopefully should end this endless discussion that objects etc. are illusion. Werner Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Maharaj: " Everybody is tying to understand the meaning of all this. > You are not understanding because you have all the swaddling > clothes of " I am this-or-that. " Remove then. " > > P:What is Maharaj saying here? He is saying as long as you have > an identity, even if that identity is " I am That " all your > understanding is a misunderstanding. > > M: " The ultimate point of view is that there is nothing to understand, > so when you try to understand, you are only indulging in acrobatics > of the mind. Whatever spiritual things you aspire to know are all > happening in the objective world, in the illusion, all your > activities, material and spiritual, are in this illusion. > All this is happening in the objective world, all is dishonesty, > there is no truth in this fraud. " > > P: Notice that Maharaj acknowleges the existence of the objective > and the material, but points out that our knowledge of it, is as > illusory, as our knowledge of anything spiritual is. > Maharaj concludes: > > " Whatever you have understood, you are not. Why are you getting > lost in concepts? You are not what you know, you are the knower. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Thanks for that Pete, > > Especially interesting for me is your remark about objects and the > material world and that hopefully should end this endless discussion > that objects etc. are illusion. > > Werner > Objects.... as separate existential entities......... do not exist.......and therefore are illusory. Draw a line around a mountain...................if you can. > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > Maharaj: " Everybody is tying to understand the meaning of all this. > > You are not understanding because you have all the swaddling > > clothes of " I am this-or-that. " Remove then. " > > > > P:What is Maharaj saying here? He is saying as long as you have > > an identity, even if that identity is " I am That " all your > > understanding is a misunderstanding. > > > > M: " The ultimate point of view is that there is nothing to > understand, > > so when you try to understand, you are only indulging in acrobatics > > of the mind. Whatever spiritual things you aspire to know are all > > happening in the objective world, in the illusion, all your > > activities, material and spiritual, are in this illusion. > > All this is happening in the objective world, all is dishonesty, > > there is no truth in this fraud. " > > > > P: Notice that Maharaj acknowleges the existence of the objective > > and the material, but points out that our knowledge of it, is as > > illusory, as our knowledge of anything spiritual is. > > Maharaj concludes: > > > > " Whatever you have understood, you are not. Why are you getting > > lost in concepts? You are not what you know, you are the knower. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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