Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 10. The Path Inward " Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the senses and see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am not the senses. " Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further things happen automatically. Know that in this world nothing is permanent; search out what you were before this temporary state came and what you are after it goes. During that temporary state everything appeared to be correct; the plot was totally believable, but the story is completely fictitious. When the waking state is gone, sleep begins; when sleep is gone, the waking state begins. When both are gone you are at home. Why should these states leave you? Because they are foreign to you, because they are not you. There is no question of being responsible for anything that happens in the world. It is only by taking delivery of responsibility that suffering comes.Just be as you are, don't imagine or picturize. Your body and your image have changed continuously all during your life; any experience you have is not real. Whether you are crying or laughing, this is the image for that moment only - the next moment it will be changing. So long as the body is there this passing show will be there. Finally, that very consciousness through which you see the world will quit. The days are numbered of this body and consciousness.Consciousness is a great fraud; it is the cause of all suffering. It all begins with self-love, the need to be present. This love of being, love of self is the nature of the seed, the sperm. Consciousness is latent in that, in the condition we call birth. Then, out of the food essence comes the taste 'I am' and consciousness flowers. You are and so the world is. But, don't get entangled in the branches and the leaves - go to the seed. Without the seed the tree will not be there. Find out where that seed came from. That state cannot be witnessed by you... only what is other than you can be witnessed by you. Still, in that state of no-knowingness, without eyes, you must abide.This is real liberation: to know that you are nothing. All your knowledge, including yourself, is liquidated; then you are liberated. When the devotee subsides into nothingness, the world and God also subside into nothingness. You come to the conclusion that in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > 10. The Path Inward > " Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the > senses and see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not > the mind, I am not the senses. " Then you are stabilized in > consciousness. After that, all further things happen automatically. > Know that in this world nothing is permanent; search out what you > were before this temporary state came and what you are after it > goes. During that temporary state everything appeared to be correct; > the plot was totally believable, but the story is completely > fictitious. When the waking state is gone, sleep begins; when sleep > is gone, the waking state begins. When both are gone you are at > home. Why should these states leave you? Because they are foreign to > you, because they are not you. There is no question of being > responsible for anything that happens in the world. It is only by > taking delivery of responsibility that suffering comes.Just be as > you are, don't imagine or picturize. Your body and your image have > changed continuously all during your life; any experience you have > is not real. Whether you are crying or laughing, this is the image > for that moment only - the next moment it will be changing. So long > as the body is there this passing show will be there. Finally, that > very consciousness through which you see the world will quit. The > days are numbered of this body and consciousness.Consciousness is a > great fraud; it is the cause of all suffering. It all begins with > self-love, the need to be present. This love of being, love of self > is the nature of the seed, the sperm. Consciousness is latent in > that, in the condition we call birth. Then, out of the food essence > comes the taste 'I am' and consciousness flowers. You are and so the > world is. But, don't get entangled in the branches and the leaves - > go to the seed. Without the seed the tree will not be there. Find > out where that seed came from. That state cannot be witnessed by > you... only what is other than you can be witnessed by you. Still, > in that state of no-knowingness, without eyes, you must abide.This > is real liberation: to know that you are nothing. All your > knowledge, including yourself, is liquidated; then you are > liberated. When the devotee subsides into nothingness, the world and > God also subside into nothingness. You come to the conclusion that > in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil " ************************************************* Hi Pete man!! :0)) this is a good speech indeed! Could you explain to me what this means? Did Nisargadatta said that? and if yes. Could you explain to me what he meant? Because " I " don't agree on this final statement, unless you clarify what the Master meant! Love Love Love you all guys! Toombaru man! You need help! I'm so sorry for you. You are so bright and you don't know what to do with your thoughts. You sure are in a labyrinth. Been there done that! I scape the labyrinth. Gone with the wind!! Alberto, Love is all there IS!! :oX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 > > God also subside into nothingness. You come to the conclusion that > > in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil " > > ************************************************* > > Hi Pete man!! :0)) > this is a good speech indeed! > Could you explain to me what this means? Did Nisargadatta said that? > and if yes. Could you explain to me what he meant? Because " I " don't > agree on this final statement, unless you clarify what the Master > meant! > > Love Love Love you all guys! > Good to see you back, Alberto. Yes, Maharaj wrote all that. You don't have to agree with it. Just take whatever resonates with you. NOw, you have certain ideas about God, you are not ready to call God a nothingness. But that is what great Christian Mystics say the soul sees when confronted with the Godhead. Now, you are not ready to accept that all your spiritual progress will end in nothing. You are not used to nothing yet, but it will grow on you. You'll see. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > Good to see you back, Alberto. Yes, Maharaj wrote all that. > You don't have to agree with it. Just take whatever resonates > with you. NOw, you have certain ideas about God, you are not ready > to call God a nothingness. But that is what great Christian Mystics > say the soul sees when confronted with the Godhead. > Now, you are not ready to accept that all your spiritual progress will > end in nothing. You are not used to nothing yet, but it > will grow on you. You'll see. > > Pete Hi Pete. If you have gone into Maharaj (and all the masters) you might know that this " Nothingness " he is referring to is not the " Nothingness " that the mind knows as " Nothing " (as opposed to " Something " ). If one starts to argue from within the dualistic thinking and at the same time uses the terms that have been used by enlightened masters in the attempt to convey the non-dualistic truth... he is bound to misuse the masters. This has happened in most religions. And you can see with Toombarus postings what happens in his case. The master is aware that the disciple understands only dualistic meanings, so he is using his language to tempt the desciple to leave his usual path and follow the master. Thats why masters often seem to be contradictive. The master is not presenting a philosophy or a certain world view. He is simply in the state of truth and there are no words. On the other hand, what to do! Lol! Where did you find this quote? I want to give you a quote from Maharaj, that I found in his book " All Is One " , and which makes me feel very humble... haha!!! So, here it goes: " Only he who has gained the fourth state and sees all as one, knows the true state of God: *Being/Consciousness/Bliss* as it is. Words cannot express nor the ears hear how such a one is united with God, it is a matter of realisation. But they can be spoken of, learned and acted upon. God can indeed be realised by us thus. " Yeah! S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > > God also subside into nothingness. You come to the conclusion that > > > in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil " > > >> Good to see you back, Alberto. Yes, Maharaj wrote all that. > You don't have to agree with it. Just take whatever resonates > with you. NOw, you have certain ideas about God, you are not ready > to call God a nothingness. But that is what great Christian Mystics > say the soul sees when confronted with the Godhead. > Now, you are not ready to accept that all your spiritual progress will > end in nothing. You are not used to nothing yet, but it > will grow on you. You'll see. > > Pete Hi Pete, Well if this is what you understood from me! It's ok! No hurt there! :0) The important thing is what you understand about yourself? You know that Zen masters don't think! and they still are. Nisargadatta said above and you seem to agree with: God also subside into nothingness. You come to the conclusion that in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil. I don't know what you understand but my understanding is that an empty sheet is " not " nothing. It is an empty sheet!!! Something! The warlord Achileas said lately to you guys that if there is only the dream and nothing else... can we call that experience a dream? or in fact it is the only reality there is??? My Lord Jesus in the old testament said: There is nothing outside of myself! He says to, I am all. I am everything! Etc. No Pete God is no nothing. He is everything and is alive. He " is " . Nisargadatta says " I am " . As I said before: Consciousness cannot enter God, the Void, but God enters Consciousness! :0 THAT IS WHY Nisargadatta says go beyond Consciousness! It may appear nothing to the consciousness because Consciousness cannot enter that Realm as you cannot drink water with your feet! P.S. Pete you've tried to become like thoses guys here to make them understand something. But mean while you adopt a position that you are not. A Zen Master would have kicked your butt big time!!! :0) If you were my student I would cut you into pieces before you have the time to try to understand what is going on! And I know you understand what I mean! The Zen master in you fade away quit often my dear friend, and you are dear to me. or am I and ignorant because I say you are dear to me? Master wake-up and take the Zen seat beyond all this Maya, and I know what Maya means. Let The Buddha in you teach you. He is not dead! My Lord Jesus has many names and many faces! If you show only your lowest understanding of the Way, Dharma. How can these guys learn from you? Make shine your true self, your true knowledge and be awake as a buddha! It is nice to talk to you my friend! Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 > Hi Pete. > > If you have gone into Maharaj (and all the masters) you might know > that this " Nothingness " he is referring to is not the " Nothingness " > that the mind knows as " Nothing " (as opposed to " Something " ). If one > starts to argue from within the dualistic thinking and at the same > time uses the terms that have been used by enlightened masters in the > attempt to convey the non-dualistic truth... he is bound to misuse the > masters. :0) This has happened in most religions. And you can see with > Toombarus postings what happens in his case. > > The master is aware that the disciple understands only dualistic > meanings, so he is using his language to tempt the desciple to leave > his usual path and follow the master. Thats why masters often seem to > be contradictive. The master is not presenting a philosophy or a > certain world view. He is simply in the state of truth and there are > no words. :0 > On the other hand, what to do! Lol! Where did you find this quote? I > want to give you a quote from Maharaj, that I found in his book " All > Is One " , and which makes me feel very humble... haha!!! So, here it > goes: > > " Only he who has gained the fourth state and sees all as one, knows > the true state of God: *Being/Consciousness/Bliss* as it is. Words > cannot express nor the ears hear how such a one is united with God, : it is a matter of realisation. But they can be spoken of, learned and > acted upon. God can indeed be realised by us thus. " > > Yeah! > S. As in the case of many many Masters!! Alberto, P.S. Self-Realisation doesn't come from a Cracker Jack box! As Pete said to you guys before. It is not to put the right speech at the right place then you are awaken! No! At all. Alberto, the ego! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > > >> My Lord Jesus in the old testament said: There is nothing outside of > myself! He says to, I am all. I am everything! Etc. > >> It is nice to talk to you my friend! > > Alberto, P:It's nice to talk to you too, Alberto. But explain this, why are you still sucking on the Jesus bone. Why with all the 'understanding' you have shown here, do you still need that personal god, antropomorphic icon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> My Lord Jesus in the old testament said: There is nothing > outside of > > myself! He says to, I am all. I am everything! Etc. > > > >> It is nice to talk to you my friend! > > > > Alberto, > > P:It's nice to talk to you too, Alberto. But explain this, > why are you still sucking on the Jesus bone. Why with > all the 'understanding' you have shown here, do you > still need that personal god, antropomorphic icon? Ha ha ha ha! :0) You are such a fun Pete! Love man! :0) Tell me Pete man? Why do you still play the un awaken ?? Because you like to play with young punks and beat them up with you Zen stick, No? lol Of course I'm eating Jesus bones and I'm eating them up to the bone! lol! He feeds me every days and every nights and I rest in him and he gives me milk because I am such a baby!! lol Tell me something Pete Why the Awakened Master Milarepa when he wrotes his poems after he realised the truth or the buddha. Wrote beautiful poems to his master Marpa? Oh Marpa you are the very soul of the univers the light of wisdom the truth is you etc. You know stuff like that! Is it because he was blind or because he knew what he was saying? Jesus is my Lord, my Love, the very life of mine. He has many names, many faces. Doesn't bother me anymore. My Lord Jesus is the buddha. I don't mind anymore. He is my master and I am his devotee! Alberto, P.S. Pete show these guys your true face they might tremble a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> My Lord Jesus in the old testament said: There is nothing > outside of > > myself! He says to, I am all. I am everything! Etc. > > > >> It is nice to talk to you my friend! > > > > Alberto, > > P:It's nice to talk to you too, Alberto. But explain this, > why are you still sucking on the Jesus bone. Why with > all the 'understanding' you have shown here, do you > still need that personal god, antropomorphic icon? Pete.......... That.....which calls " himself " Alberto.....is nothing other then a temporary cluster of memories.........Do you really believe that a cluster of memories has .....within its self...the acumen to determine the origin and pertinence of its own belief structure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> My Lord Jesus in the old testament said: There is nothing > > outside of > > > myself! He says to, I am all. I am everything! Etc. > > > > > >> It is nice to talk to you my friend! > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > P:It's nice to talk to you too, Alberto. But explain this, > > why are you still sucking on the Jesus bone. Why with > > all the 'understanding' you have shown here, do you > > still need that personal god, antropomorphic icon? > > > > > > Pete.......... > > That.....which calls " himself " Alberto.....is nothing other then a temporary > cluster of memories.........Do you really believe that a cluster of memories > has .....within its self...the acumen to determine the origin and pertinence of > its own belief structure? P: The brain called Alberto has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> My Lord Jesus in the old testament said: There is nothing > > > outside of > > > > myself! He says to, I am all. I am everything! Etc. > > > > > > > >> It is nice to talk to you my friend! > > > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > P:It's nice to talk to you too, Alberto. But explain this, > > > why are you still sucking on the Jesus bone. Why with > > > all the 'understanding' you have shown here, do you > > > still need that personal god, antropomorphic icon? > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete.......... > > > > That.....which calls " himself " Alberto.....is nothing other then a > temporary > > cluster of memories.........Do you really believe that a cluster of > memories > > has .....within its self...the acumen to determine the origin and > pertinence of > > its own belief structure? > > P: The brain called Alberto has. (t): The brain...is only a repository for memories....Remove the brain and watch what happens to " Alberto " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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