Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Found this stupid thing abt beliefs -- Ony for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest ignore ! Do Not Believe Do not believe because you read it in a book, Do not believe because you saw it on television, Do not believe because science says so, Do not believe because a famous person says so, Do not believe because a wise person says so, Do not believe because a wise person believes it, Do not believe because your best friend believes it, Do not believe because everyone else believes it, Do not believe because others have believed it for a thousand years, Do not believe because you've heard it many times before, Do not believe because you are told you must, Do not believe because others expect you to, Do not believe because it gets you accepted Do not believe because it will make your parents happy, Do not believe because it will get you noticed, Do not believe because you want to believe, Do not believe because you can't afford not to, Do not believe because it helps you cope, Do not believe because you'd go mad if you didn't, Do not believe because you must believe something Do not believe because there's nothing else to believe, Do not believe because it feels good to believe, Do not believe because it makes sense, Do not believe because your eyes tell you it is so, Do not believe because it is your own experience, Do not believe because it feels true, Do not believe because you know it is true, Do not believe any of this, Believe only that you are, And do not even believe that, For that is beyond belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > Found this stupid thing abt beliefs -- > Ony for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest ignore ! > > > Do Not Believe > Do not believe because you read it in a book, > Do not believe because you saw it on television, > Do not believe because science says so, > Do not believe because a famous person says so, > Do not believe because a wise person says so, > Do not believe because a wise person believes it, > Do not believe because your best friend believes it, > Do not believe because everyone else believes it, > Do not believe because others have believed it for a thousand years, > Do not believe because you've heard it many times before, > Do not believe because you are told you must, > Do not believe because others expect you to, > Do not believe because it gets you accepted > Do not believe because it will make your parents happy, > Do not believe because it will get you noticed, > Do not believe because you want to believe, > Do not believe because you can't afford not to, > Do not believe because it helps you cope, > Do not believe because you'd go mad if you didn't, > Do not believe because you must believe something > Do not believe because there's nothing else to believe, > Do not believe because it feels good to believe, > Do not believe because it makes sense, > Do not believe because your eyes tell you it is so, > Do not believe because it is your own experience, > Do not believe because it feels true, > Do not believe because you know it is true, > Do not believe any of this, Believe only that you are, > And do not even believe that, > For that is beyond belief. I wonder if you know what you are talking about. What is the future? The future is a belief. Are you saying: don't believe in the future? /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > Found this stupid thing abt beliefs -- > > Ony for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest > ignore ! > > > > > > Do Not Believe > > Do not believe because you read it in a book, > > Do not believe because you saw it on television, > > Do not believe because science says so, > > Do not believe because a famous person says so, > > Do not believe because a wise person says so, > > Do not believe because a wise person believes it, > > Do not believe because your best friend believes it, > > Do not believe because everyone else believes it, > > Do not believe because others have believed it for a thousand > years, > > Do not believe because you've heard it many times before, > > Do not believe because you are told you must, > > Do not believe because others expect you to, > > Do not believe because it gets you accepted > > Do not believe because it will make your parents happy, > > Do not believe because it will get you noticed, > > Do not believe because you want to believe, > > Do not believe because you can't afford not to, > > Do not believe because it helps you cope, > > Do not believe because you'd go mad if you didn't, > > Do not believe because you must believe something > > Do not believe because there's nothing else to believe, > > Do not believe because it feels good to believe, > > Do not believe because it makes sense, > > Do not believe because your eyes tell you it is so, > > Do not believe because it is your own experience, > > Do not believe because it feels true, > > Do not believe because you know it is true, > > Do not believe any of this, Believe only that you are, > > And do not even believe that, > > For that is beyond belief. > > I wonder if you know what you are talking about. What is the future? > The future is a belief. Are you saying: don't believe in the future? > > /AL PS. My own answer is: yes! Don't believe that a belief ís the territory. A belief is a map. Sometimes an accurate map. Sometimes sheer guesswork. But we can never experience the map _itself_. The future is a map and only that. Never has there been an _actual_ future. Mistaking the map for the territory is, if I remember correctly, similar to what J. Krishnamurti called living in an abstraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > Found this stupid thing abt beliefs -- > > > Ony for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest > > ignore ! > > > > > > > > > Do Not Believe > > > Do not believe because you read it in a book, > > > Do not believe because you saw it on television, > > > Do not believe because science says so, > > > Do not believe because a famous person says so, > > > Do not believe because a wise person says so, > > > Do not believe because a wise person believes it, > > > Do not believe because your best friend believes it, > > > Do not believe because everyone else believes it, > > > Do not believe because others have believed it for a thousand > > years, > > > Do not believe because you've heard it many times before, > > > Do not believe because you are told you must, > > > Do not believe because others expect you to, > > > Do not believe because it gets you accepted > > > Do not believe because it will make your parents happy, > > > Do not believe because it will get you noticed, > > > Do not believe because you want to believe, > > > Do not believe because you can't afford not to, > > > Do not believe because it helps you cope, > > > Do not believe because you'd go mad if you didn't, > > > Do not believe because you must believe something > > > Do not believe because there's nothing else to believe, > > > Do not believe because it feels good to believe, > > > Do not believe because it makes sense, > > > Do not believe because your eyes tell you it is so, > > > Do not believe because it is your own experience, > > > Do not believe because it feels true, > > > Do not believe because you know it is true, > > > Do not believe any of this, Believe only that you are, > > > And do not even believe that, > > > For that is beyond belief. > > > > I wonder if you know what you are talking about. What is the > future? > > The future is a belief. Are you saying: don't believe in the future? > > > > /AL > > PS. My own answer is: yes! Don't believe that a belief ís the > territory. A belief is a map. Sometimes an accurate map. Sometimes > sheer guesswork. But we can never experience the map _itself_. The > future is a map and only that. Never has there been an _actual_ > future. Mistaking the map for the territory is, if I remember > correctly, similar to what J. Krishnamurti called living in an > abstraction. PPS. A correction: we do can experience the map itself, and that is what we do when living in an abstraction. :-) /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 thanks anders ! Anyway why did u read this i had clearly mentioned this.. > > > Only for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest ignore ! i always felt u r free from beliefs looking at ur postings anders_lindman [anders_lindman] Friday, October 15, 2004 5:43 PM Nisargadatta Re: Do Not Believe Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE > > Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > Found this stupid thing abt beliefs -- > > > Ony for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest > > ignore ! > > > > > > > > > Do Not Believe > > > Do not believe because you read it in a book, > > > Do not believe because you saw it on television, > > > Do not believe because science says so, > > > Do not believe because a famous person says so, > > > Do not believe because a wise person says so, > > > Do not believe because a wise person believes it, > > > Do not believe because your best friend believes it, > > > Do not believe because everyone else believes it, > > > Do not believe because others have believed it for a thousand > > years, > > > Do not believe because you've heard it many times before, > > > Do not believe because you are told you must, > > > Do not believe because others expect you to, > > > Do not believe because it gets you accepted > > > Do not believe because it will make your parents happy, > > > Do not believe because it will get you noticed, > > > Do not believe because you want to believe, > > > Do not believe because you can't afford not to, > > > Do not believe because it helps you cope, > > > Do not believe because you'd go mad if you didn't, > > > Do not believe because you must believe something > > > Do not believe because there's nothing else to believe, > > > Do not believe because it feels good to believe, > > > Do not believe because it makes sense, > > > Do not believe because your eyes tell you it is so, > > > Do not believe because it is your own experience, > > > Do not believe because it feels true, > > > Do not believe because you know it is true, > > > Do not believe any of this, Believe only that you are, > > > And do not even believe that, > > > For that is beyond belief. > > > > I wonder if you know what you are talking about. What is the > future? > > The future is a belief. Are you saying: don't believe in the future? > > > > /AL > > PS. My own answer is: yes! Don't believe that a belief ís the > territory. A belief is a map. Sometimes an accurate map. Sometimes > sheer guesswork. But we can never experience the map _itself_. The > future is a map and only that. Never has there been an _actual_ > future. Mistaking the map for the territory is, if I remember > correctly, similar to what J. Krishnamurti called living in an > abstraction. PPS. A correction: we do can experience the map itself, and that is what we do when living in an abstraction. :-) /AL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > thanks anders ! > Anyway why did u read this i had clearly mentioned this.. > > > Only for those who still cling to innumerable beliefs -- rest ignore ! > i always felt u r free from beliefs looking at ur postings Ha! I am steeped in beliefs. And I think it is fine to have beliefs because they make life interesting. However, as you maybe meant by your post: never forget to question _all_ beliefs. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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