Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Warning: Not for the bhakta Mon May 24, 2004 10:29 pm Nada Con Carne You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, nothing, nada. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Warning: Not for the bhakta > > Mon May 24, 2004 10:29 pm > Nada Con Carne > > > You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, > and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- > Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after > many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news > gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing > after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no > down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly > all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, > your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist > this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, > nothing, nada. > > Pete ***************************** Smiles :0) told you, you would scared them a bit showing to them your true face!! ha ha ha! :0) I have an academic question. What do you mean when you say this above: after many a lifetime there will be extinction. I know that this extinction is Nirvana. But what do you mean when you say many a lifetime. Do you mean many incarnation, reincarnation etc? Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > Warning: Not for the bhakta > > > > Mon May 24, 2004 10:29 pm > > Nada Con Carne > > > > > > You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, > > and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- > > Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after > > many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news > > gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing > > after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no > > down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly > > all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, > > your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist > > this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, > > nothing, nada. > > > > Pete > ***************************** > > Smiles :0) told you, you would scared them a bit showing to them > your true face!! ha ha ha! :0) > > I have an academic question. What do you mean when you say this > above: after many a lifetime there will be extinction. I know that > this extinction is Nirvana. But what do you mean when you say many a > lifetime. Do you mean many incarnation, reincarnation etc? > > Alberto, Boy! You ask good, difficult questions. That's why I like you. That is the two edge sword of Manjuri. Damn if you do, and damn if you don't. 'Off with their heads!' said the mad Queen. There is no personal salvation, because no person exist, as long as there is even a rat alive, Buddha is that rat, and so are all of us. Bad news, in a way, no? But cheer up, the knowingness is reborn which each body, but it's always brand new, no memories are involved. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > >> > You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, Alberto: Big time, rejoice! :0) > and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- > Pure nothingness. Alberto: this is only for the buddha's or awaken Masters! Sorry guys :0( Buddha gave us the good news, after > many a lifetime there will be extinction. Alberto: When, you become a buddha. That is absolutly true. But the news gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no > down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly > all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, > your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist > this very moment. Alberto: Again this is only when you attain Nirvana. Someone said in one of his posting that in the begining of his teaching Nisargadatta accepted reincarnation and at the end he kind of deny it. What I think is in the begining before arriving in nirvana. He most have spoke in favor of reincarnation. But after entering nirvana, (the mature 7th stage or final awakening) the extention of the self " mortal self lets say " not a state but true being 24 hours a day) he might have found ridiculous to speak the truth from an inferior stage than Nirvana. In Nirvana there is no more reincarnation. So as everybody does. One projects our own understanding onto the others. If one is good, one sees that everybody is good. Is one is bad, we think everybody is bad, if we like to fight then we think everybody likes to fight! etc. So maybe, the Master after realising Nirvana maybe said to him self, why would I bother believing such a crap! I see clearly now that it is not true! Not true? not true for him! ha ha ha! Unfortunatly it is true! The buddha saw many many if his previous lives. Krishna explains it in the bhagavad gita. He explains the whole process. Yes there are reincarnations. When you attain Nirvana there are no more. Reincarnation ceases because you finaly know God or reality. When the mystery is resolved there is no need to play the mystery game you see it very clearly and you cannot foul yourself anymore. So you remain after death no-thing or not a thing. (not manisfested, not born, etc.) If it was the case that we would enter Nirvana for free! That means Hitler and all the devils of this world are there in Nirvana! :0 I don't think so! Krishna explains it clearly. Where was the buddha before his awakening? In Nirvana or Samsara? Before in Samsara. After in Nirvana, before saw his reincarnations after there were no reincarnation (Nirvana) See! Nirvana can say there are no reincarnation. Samsara the world, ignorance can't. So if you are in Nirvana 24 hours a day. What Pete said applies fully and totally. If you think you are a shoe as a friend of mine ;0) well you might reincarnate in a pair of boots!! ha ha ha! Just kidding toom:0) Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: >You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, >and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- >Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after >many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news >gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing >after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no >down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly >all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, >your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist >this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, >nothing, nada. I have one question, is there any point in your world view that differs from the one of Sartres Existentialism? Am I overlooking something? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > >You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, > >and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- > >Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after > >many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news > >gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing > >after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no > >down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly > >all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, > >your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist > >this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, > >nothing, nada. > > I have one question, is there any point in your world view that > differs from the one of Sartres Existentialism? Am I overlooking > something? .......comparing philosophies.......is about as fruitful as......studying shadows.... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > >You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, > >and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- > >Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after > >many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news > >gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing > >after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no > >down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly > >all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, > >your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist > >this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, > >nothing, nada. > >S: I have one question, is there any point in your world view that > differs from the one of Sartres Existentialism? Am I overlooking > something? P: I don't know the answer to that, I'm no authority on Sartres? Is that important? If something is true, it's irrelevant who, or how many said it before. > > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: >S: I have one question, is there any point in your world view that >differs from the one of Sartres Existentialism? Am I overlooking >something? > >P: I don't know the answer to that, I'm no authority on Sartres? >Is that important? If something is true, it's irrelevant >who, or how many said it before. A very diplomatic answer, you must be a polititian ... and there is no truth but " ONE " ... truth cannot be grasped with your ego identified mind. YOU have to die FIRST. Existencialism denies " THIS " . Vedanta celebrates " THIS " . Both gave up the idea that there is a survival of anything personal. This hope for personal immortality has to die... one important step ... but you are defending your EGO as if you would prefer immortality. You are trying to become immoral through your clever concepts. But I tell you, as long as you are not able to even take the slightest criticism you still have some rocky mountains in front of you. I am sure there is an Existentialism list at ... maybe you would find some good friends there. But if you are really interested in Vedanta: are you in any group, I mean, outside the net? Do you have a personal teacher? If not, I would like to advise you to look for such a possibility. Here you will not find the zenstick you need, because you have perfected the art of hiding yourself behind your keyboard. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Pete, why is there so much resistance to accept this ?.. M cerosoul <Pedsie2 wrote: Warning: Not for the bhakta Mon May 24, 2004 10:29 pm Nada Con Carne You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, nothing, nada. Pete ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 I am a vegetarian walking nothing Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:44:59 -0000 " cerosoul " <Pedsie2 Nada Con Carne Warning: Not for the bhakta Mon May 24, 2004 10:29 pm Nada Con Carne You are nada con carne- Nothingness incarnated, and when the meat goes, you will be nada sin carne- Pure nothingness. Buddha gave us the good news, after many a lifetime there will be extinction. But the news gets better, you are nothing now, and you will be nothing after you die. No effort, no accumulation of merits, no down payment needed. Whether you're good, bad, or even ugly all you have to do is die. You can die now, you can die later, your extinction is guarantee because you don't even exist this very moment. So rejoice in your true nature, zilch, nothing, nada. Pete ____________ Renovamos el Correo : ¡100 MB GRATIS! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo..es Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , Masti <mastteddy> wrote: > Pete, why is there so much resistance to accept this ?.. > M Good question, M! And although I suspect you know the answer I'll give you my take. Life, as personify by the body, wants to live. This instinct of survival has been transferred to the illusory entity the brain feels itself to be. The brain can't accept that this personification of itself is not real, it can't accept that his identity and memories will vanish with death. So, it has invented all kinds of spiritual realms in which it can imagine itself surviving the death of the body. There is a second very important reason, people love drama and excitement. There is no drama in realization because drama and excitement needs an entity. Once the emptiness of reality becomes the only presence, there is no drama left. Joy is there, but no one to claim it as, my joy; pain still exist, but no one to say, I'm suffering. So, realization, although immeasurably deep, is also kind of flat, impersonal, like an endless tundra. Instinctually, we recoil from such emptiness. Thanks for asking, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , Caminamos <caminamosnet> wrote: > > I am a vegetarian walking nothing Love it! Great to see your humorous side. Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Caminamos <caminamosnet> > wrote: > > > > I am a vegetarian walking nothing .....the first two words........negate the last four........ .....saying " I am " ......says....I am more...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Caminamos <caminamosnet> > > wrote: > > > > > > I am a vegetarian walking nothing > > > > > ....the first two words........negate the last four........ > > ....saying " I am " ......says....I am more...... May I ask you a personal question? What was your profession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Caminamos > <caminamosnet> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am a vegetarian walking nothing > > > > > > > > > > ....the first two words........negate the last four........ > > > > ....saying " I am " ......says....I am more...... > > > May I ask you a personal question? What was your profession? I was a zombee...........my father was a zombee and his father before him....... ...........and yes...........I still am a zombee..............but I have to tell you.........I love to dance...........sometimes.............I acutally leave the ground....and spin in space........but I like the music....the rhythm......the beat......so I always come back............I think I will.....until I die.......:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 > > Pete: May I ask you a personal question? What was your profession? > > > > I was a zombee...........my father was a zombee and his father before > him....... > > >Toomb: ..........and yes...........I still am a zombee..............but I have to tell you.........I > love to dance...........sometimes.............I acutally leave the ground....and > spin in space........but I like the music....the rhythm......the beat......so I > always come back............I think I will.....until I die.......:- ******************************************** AAhh! Toombaru I'm dancing with you at this very moment! You dance the same dance you always dance but I think Pete is trying to teach you something... and I don't know what, yet? and to whom? I'm not challenging you Pete! Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: Pete, sorry, this is a bit longer... :-) >Once the emptiness >of reality becomes the only presence, there is no drama left. >Joy is there, but no one to claim it as, my joy; pain still >exist, but no one to say, I'm suffering. Now I have to agree to every word that you say. Not only this quote, your whole posting. And now I hear from you: " Joy is there / pain is there... " (without experiencer). This is exactly the thing I am chewing on all the time: how can be something be there if " I " am not there? I have to accept that here is an end to logic. The philosophers of existentialism have gone the same way, but they had the intention to stay logical. So they said: there is simply nothing. Follows that the situation we are in is absurd and should be ended rather sooner than later (some dared to say that). Many existentialist " followers " have consequently commited suicide, and they still do, in the name of philosophy. So I asked you " what is the difference between " Nada con carne " and existentialism. Sorry that I was not clearer at that time. But here is the answer. You are using the phrase " the emptiness of reality " . See? This is not logical... Emptiness cannot be contained. But you said it rightly, and at this point logic comes to an end. Whenever I uttered my doubts about this absurd situation the masters have pushed me to go on and have urged me to trust. If it was like I understood you in " Nada con carne " , then those would be very stupid masters. They should rather say: " do everything to avoid that state because then you can, at least, still postpone your dead a little and follow your survival instincts and have some good chinese food. " But - summa summarum - they say: " it is preferable to end suffering through realization. " In an early stage of spiritual development it is normal to say " wow, maybe I can live forewer " . In a very, very early stage. The next trap comes - IMHO - when you say " logically there is nothing " . This way you again escape the void that is threatening your brain. Because this way you can let your mind function as always and the mind is at ease, because it runs on a logical chain. The mind thinks, that he could run on that chain forever and - here we are again - be immortal. The nature of mind. But if we question even this logic... we can maybe see the crack in the chain. Greetings Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 One more thing, Cyberpeteman. Since you are out of test mode now... I had asked you: what is the difference between your " Nada Con Carne " - idea and Existentialism. You have said you cannot answer the question because you are not familiar with Existentialism. In the meantime I have explained to you what " Existentialism " means and why I have asked this question. I quote it again here for you: " The philosophers of existentialism have gone the same way, but they had the intention to stay logical. So they said: there is simply nothing. Follows that the situation we are in is absurd and should be ended rather sooner than later (some dared to say that). Many existentialist " followers " have consequently commited suicide, and they still do, in the name of philosophy. So I asked you " what is the difference between " Nada con carne " and existentialism. " So, I still wonder if you could give me an explanation. As I understand your " Nada " I cannot see any difference from Existentialism. On the other hand Verdanta has a generally positive outlook on this " Nada " and proclaims it as a state worth to be approached. Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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