Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Maharaj said something like: " I am the highest reality, beyond consciousness and its observer, beyond the world and its creator " . Strange that there is an observer observing consciousness, isn't it ? And further that I am beyond all this, beyond consciousness ? Consciousness is its content, there is no consciousness separate from the content: No content, no consciousness. When we die all contents are gone and with it consciousness, which in reality never existed. Consciousness is just a fucntion of the brain and there is nothing special or holy about it. What then it is this " observer " observing the content/conciousness ? I would say it is just another content: Body/mind. It is this well known identification with body and mind which causes the illusion of separation and so the observer. But in reality neither body nor mind is observing anything, it is just an illusion, a convention. To give consciousness this magic quality, this eternal existence, has its root in the survival instinct: I live eternally because I am consciousness which never changes, only the contents are changing and splashdash: With this trick I am sittind glued forever on the horse of eternity. Most seekers are sitting on this horse. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Maharaj said something like: > > " I am the highest reality, beyond consciousness and its observer, > beyond the world and its creator " . > > Strange that there is an observer observing consciousness, isn't it ? > And further that I am beyond all this, beyond consciousness ? > > Consciousness is its content, there is no consciousness separate from > the content: No content, no consciousness. When we die all contents > are gone and with it consciousness, which in reality never existed. > Consciousness is just a fucntion of the brain and there is nothing > special or holy about it. > > What then it is this " observer " observing the content/conciousness ? > I would say it is just another content: Body/mind. It is this well > known identification with body and mind which causes the illusion of > separation and so the observer. But in reality neither body nor mind > is observing anything, it is just an illusion, a convention. > > To give consciousness this magic quality, this eternal existence, has > its root in the survival instinct: I live eternally because I am > consciousness which never changes, only the contents are changing and > splashdash: With this trick I am sittind glued forever on the horse > of eternity. Most seekers are sitting on this horse. > > Werner Great post! Thanks, Werner. You do understand your Niz. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: >With this trick I am sittind glued forever on the horse >of eternity. Most seekers are sitting on this horse. I liked your post, I dont know what to say right now... maybe about the last sentence: I would someone who is still in this children state not call a seeker. And is it not a natural phase in development? Pete wrote: >Great post! Thanks, Werner. You do understand your Niz. Hi Pete, yes he does, he knows that it is better to ask questions than to preach. ;-))) STEFAN (<- this is my real name) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Maharaj said something like: > > > > " I am the highest reality, beyond consciousness and its observer, > > beyond the world and its creator " . > > > > Strange that there is an observer observing consciousness, isn't > it ? > > And further that I am beyond all this, beyond consciousness ? > > > > Consciousness is its content, there is no consciousness separate > from > > the content: No content, no consciousness. When we die all contents > > are gone and with it consciousness, which in reality never existed. > > Consciousness is just a fucntion of the brain and there is nothing > > special or holy about it. > > > > What then it is this " observer " observing the > content/conciousness ? > > I would say it is just another content: Body/mind. It is this well > > known identification with body and mind which causes the illusion > of > > separation and so the observer. But in reality neither body nor > mind > > is observing anything, it is just an illusion, a convention. > > > > To give consciousness this magic quality, this eternal existence, > has > > its root in the survival instinct: I live eternally because I am > > consciousness which never changes, only the contents are changing > and > > splashdash: With this trick I am sittind glued forever on the horse > > of eternity. Most seekers are sitting on this horse. > > > > Werner > > Great post! Thanks, Werner. You do understand your Niz. > > Pete .........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he understands...or informs someone else that " they " understand.......anything.....its one more time around the dance floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he understands...or informs someone else that " they " understand.......anything.....its one more time around the dance floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > toombaru *************************** The toombaru man again! :0) Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a shoe? lol Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he > understands...or informs someone else that " they " > understand.......anything.....its one more time around the dance > floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > > > > > toombaru > > *************************** > > The toombaru man again! :0) > > Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a shoe? lol > > Alberto, ...........as long as there is a " you " ..........who thinks that " I " am a shoe...........its one more trip around the circular dance floor......at the zombee jamboree.......... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he > > understands...or informs someone else that " they " > > understand.......anything.....its one more time around the dance > > floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > *************************** > > > > The toombaru man again! :0) > > > > Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a shoe? lol > > > > Alberto, > > > > ..........as long as there is a " you " ..........who thinks that " I " am a shoe...........its one more trip around the circular dance floor......at the zombee jamboree.......... > > > > toombaru *********************** You said well Toombaru. You said as long as there is a you. Small Y. When you become what you are... the capital You, You see everything with a new perspective. Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he > > > understands...or informs someone else that " they " > > > understand.......anything.....its one more time around the dance > > > floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > *************************** > > > > > > The toombaru man again! :0) > > > > > > Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a > shoe? lol > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > > > ..........as long as there is a " you " ..........who thinks that " I " > am a shoe...........its one more trip around the circular dance > floor......at the zombee jamboree.......... > > > > > > > > toombaru > > *********************** > > You said well Toombaru. You said as long as there is a you. Small Y. > When you become what you are... the capital You, You see everything > with a new perspective. > > Alberto, ........and become......a slightly bigger......zombee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he > > > > understands...or informs someone else that " they " > > > > understand.......anything.....its one more time around the dance > > > > floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > *************************** > > > > > > > > The toombaru man again! :0) > > > > > > > > Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a > > shoe? lol > > > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........as long as there is a " you " ..........who thinks that " I " > > am a shoe...........its one more trip around the circular dance > > floor......at the zombee jamboree.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > *********************** > > > > You said well Toombaru. You said as long as there is a you. Small Y. > > When you become what you are... the capital You, You see everything > > with a new perspective. > > > > Alberto, > > > > > .......and become......a slightly bigger......zombee. *************************************** Love toombaru! I heard once someone was sleeping in the presence of a great spiritual Master. In a reunion where the people ask questions to the Master that person fell asleep! When being asked why he was sleeping? The guy responded. I don't mind. I heard everyting about the teachings!!! or something like that! ( I think it has been said here) That guy is one of the to person; The fully awaken Master or he is a poor young punk!!! a zoombie! Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he > > > > > understands...or informs someone else that " they " > > > > > understand.......anything.....its one more time around the > dance > > > > > floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > *************************** > > > > > > > > > > The toombaru man again! :0) > > > > > > > > > > Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a > > > shoe? lol > > > > > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........as long as there is a " you " ..........who thinks > that " I " > > > am a shoe...........its one more trip around the circular dance > > > floor......at the zombee jamboree.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > *********************** > > > > > > You said well Toombaru. You said as long as there is a you. > Small Y. > > > When you become what you are... the capital You, You see > everything > > > with a new perspective. > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > > > > > .......and become......a slightly bigger......zombee. > > *************************************** > > Love toombaru! > > I heard once someone was sleeping in the presence of a great > spiritual Master. In a reunion where the people ask questions to the > Master that person fell asleep! When being asked why he was > sleeping? The guy responded. I don't mind. I heard everyting about > the teachings!!! or something like that! ( I think it has been said > here) > > That guy is one of the to person; The fully awaken Master or he is a > poor young punk!!! a zoombie! > > Alberto, The soldiers....and....the enemy twirl.....dip.....and spin.......at the Zombee Jamboree........... The masters....and ....the seekers.....sneek off to the shadows.....and whisper of unity......at the Zombee Jamboree... You and I........don't you see......are only dancing........at the Zombee Jamboree... It's the only dance in town....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........as long as there is a " you " who believes that he > > > > > > understands...or informs someone else that " they " > > > > > > understand.......anything.....its one more time around the > > dance > > > > > > floor...... at the .......... zombee jamboree...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > *************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > The toombaru man again! :0) > > > > > > > > > > > > Zombee jamboree! ha ha ha! Zombee hein? I tought you were a > > > > shoe? lol > > > > > > > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........as long as there is a " you " ..........who thinks > > that " I " > > > > am a shoe...........its one more trip around the circular dance > > > > floor......at the zombee jamboree.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > *********************** > > > > > > > > You said well Toombaru. You said as long as there is a you. > > Small Y. > > > > When you become what you are... the capital You, You see > > everything > > > > with a new perspective. > > > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......and become......a slightly bigger......zombee. > > > > *************************************** > > > > Love toombaru! > > > > I heard once someone was sleeping in the presence of a great > > spiritual Master. In a reunion where the people ask questions to the > > Master that person fell asleep! When being asked why he was > > sleeping? The guy responded. I don't mind. I heard everyting about > > the teachings!!! or something like that! ( I think it has been said > > here) > > > > That guy is one of the to person; The fully awaken Master or he is a > > poor young punk!!! a zoombie! > > > > Alberto, > > > > The soldiers....and....the enemy twirl.....dip.....and spin.......at the Zombee Jamboree........... > > > > The masters....and ....the seekers.....sneek off to the shadows.....and whisper of unity......at the Zombee Jamboree... > > > > > > You and I........don't you see......are only dancing........at the Zombee Jamboree... > > > It's the only dance in town....... > > > > > > toombaru P: This is good nondual comedy. You think nondual zoombies have seven types of consciousness, and four kinds of Sankrit nothingness? Which would make the bigger heap 4Ns, or 7Cs? And let's not forget the seven levels of enlightenment. Mercy me! Is there an enlightenment elevator somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 > > The soldiers....and....the enemy twirl.....dip.....and > spin.......at the Zombee Jamboree........... > > > > > > > > The masters....and ....the seekers.....sneek off to the > shadows.....and whisper of unity......at the Zombee Jamboree... > > > > > > You and I........don't you see......are only dancing........at the Zombee Jamboree... > > > > > > It's the only dance in town....... > > > > toombaru > > P: This is good nondual comedy. You think nondual zoombies > have seven types of consciousness, and four kinds of > Sankrit nothingness? Which would make the bigger heap > 4Ns, or 7Cs? And let's not > forget the seven levels of enlightenment. Mercy me! > Is there an enlightenment elevator somewhere? ************************************************** Love guys! You make me laugh you now!! I understand you! But clarify to me one thing. O mighty men!! Pete why do you hit toombaru with your Zen stick all the time!!! Isn't he the son of a childless mother?? my brother! :0) This is exactly what I meant when I say that One day you are in Maya " life manifestation " " Illusion " and the other day you are the bouddha it self?? That is not an attitude for an awaken men! You laugh at the awakening levels!! Oh Buddha! Give that man 77 hits with your buddha stick! He thinks he arrived to you borned enlighten. The Pete man didn't learn any technique to learn and advance in the process. That man laugh at you my lord buddha! He laugh because you needed to go through the whole process of awakening while he always been in the only one always been united to you Master. You were the foul. He is awaken. He laugh at you because you spent so much time with your Zoombies student. Trying to make them see, and understand that whatever they will do, they are in Nirvana already. and the Pete man laugh because you started a teaching. Because there is no need for that because all are awaken already and the are all free!!! You know my Lord the Way, The right speech, don't take drugs! etc. You are so low in the eyes of the toomb man and the Pete man they are dancing like free nondual zoombies! Non dual dance, the zoombie dance the only one in town! lol See Lord bouddha, Pete your very own student is now with the toombaru man. He doesn't hit him anymore?? Why master, Why? Master, please teach us please give us your wisdom in this hour of darkness, in this hour of halloween dance. The zombees are out there playing with us poor mortals. They say that we are looking for immortality? They say that all is done! then the next day the Pete man wants to help the poor Zombees, Why Master why is he wasting his precious time with us, if all is gained already? If Nirvana is for free, for everyone, Ignorant or not, killer or ugly etc. Master Nisargadatta! Why did you waist your precious health to help people that don't even exist. but only in their mind? Master Nis is it because you think you are a super hero like Achileas or Odysseus or it is because you saw or understood something else? Master Vivekananda, master Ramakrishna, why at the end of your life you declare and confest that God is in us that god is everything and you teach us to stay in the path of Bhakti and Jnana yoga. You tell us to trust God? Why is that Masters Why? Don't you know that God does not exist? Why do you teach us to persevere if all is done. If Nirvana is for all! an it is free. No sadhana, no process, nothing. Please Masters why are you fouling us? The Pete man says that nothing needs to be done? All is done. And the fun part is that it is already the case for us all! We are all in Nirvana at this very moment! Why oh God do you still send Avatars to teach us. God to teach who? Oh God are you blind? Don't you see God that there is no body to help or awaken? can't you see God that you don't exist because some men have decide that you don't exist? Krishna you foul! why did you say that the soul is eternal and the body is mortal. That when the body dies, the soul the consciousness doesn't die with the body? The Pete man is thinking the opposite! Krishna you foul don't you see that you are the servant of the Pete man? are you blind master? And in case a true Master thinks this. does that mean you are a liar my beloved one? or maybe the Pete man didn't understand you well my beloved one! My experience tell me that you are right Master Krishna. You are right! But what can we do when such men laugh at you this way. They laugh at your bhakti, your way? Maybe they are right? Maybe you are the greatest Zombee that ever " non-existed " ? lol Can there really be non-existance in front of your Truth my Lord? Can your sat-chit-Ananda or you presence be illusion? Can the wind be called illusion when we breath it every day and every night. When you fill our lungs with that air of yours? If we are the shadow. How can I make them understand to them that there is no shadow without a true object. The sun reflecting on it making your shadow my Lord! Lord Krishna!! They have mistaken the shadow for your true being. They say you are the shadow and that that shadow is your only true nature! My Lord, My Lord! They have seen you partly and they say they have seen you all!!! I dance with them the zombee dance and they think this is all there is of you? The shadow. The nothingness! They are in you and the next morning the laugh at you? Maybe they are right? Maybe it is the tail that says to the dog move and not the dog that says move to the tail. Maybe we have created you. Just for the fun of it! :0)) Hey guys, You can foul yourself but you ain't fouling " me " Love, love Love is all there is! Divine love, Divine love 4th stage of life! Avatars teach love Sai baba the avatar teach Love. God is love! But of course I can understand that non-dual zombees can't love because it is too low for them!! you see! Bhakti is too stupid! If you only knew bhakti that way is the Royal way to God. I personaly took Jnana. The who am I method. I started at 8 years old. I red about Maharshi and his method at 21 years old. I way in the process already for soo long. Jnana yoga is the mind, the toughts way. But Bhakti is the heart of God. Jesus said: Love one another??? Why? Oh of course another avatar that gives spiritual instruction and teach several level of understanding " awakening " to the poor non-existent false being. Another one that doesn't understand well Reality or God! Anyway guys in your version even God doesn't understand him selve. And God is still sending Avatars again and again why? Because he doesn't exist??? lol :0) You are such a fun guys. You are giving me a good time that's for sure!! Alberto, P.S. I shouldn't put my name above, you may think I want to be somebody, the Ego! lol Love to you all! Love Pete, Love toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > The soldiers....and....the enemy twirl.....dip.....and > > spin.......at the Zombee Jamboree........... > > > > > > > > > > > > The masters....and ....the seekers.....sneek off to the > > shadows.....and whisper of unity......at the Zombee Jamboree... > > > > > > > > > You and I........don't you see......are only dancing........at > the Zombee Jamboree... > > > > > > > > > It's the only dance in town....... > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: This is good nondual comedy. You think nondual zoombies > > have seven types of consciousness, and four kinds of > > Sankrit nothingness? Which would make the bigger heap > > 4Ns, or 7Cs? And let's not > > forget the seven levels of enlightenment. Mercy me! > > Is there an enlightenment elevator somewhere? > > ************************************************** > > Love guys! You make me laugh you now!! I understand you! > > But clarify to me one thing. O mighty men!! Pete why do you hit > toombaru with your Zen stick all the time!!! Isn't he the son of a > childless mother?? my brother! :0) > > This is exactly what I meant when I say that One day you are in > Maya " life manifestation " " Illusion " and the other day you are the > bouddha it self?? That is not an attitude for an awaken men! You > laugh at the awakening levels!! Oh Buddha! Give that man 77 hits > with your buddha stick! He thinks he arrived to you borned > enlighten. The Pete man didn't learn any technique to learn and > advance in the process. That man laugh at you my lord buddha! He > laugh because you needed to go through the whole process of > awakening while he always been in the only one always been united to > you Master. You were the foul. He is awaken. He laugh at you because > you spent so much time with your Zoombies student. Trying to make > them see, and understand that whatever they will do, they are in > Nirvana already. and the Pete man laugh because you started a > teaching. Because there is no need for that because all are awaken > already and the are all free!!! You know my Lord the Way, The right > speech, don't take drugs! etc. You are so low in the eyes of the > toomb man and the Pete man they are dancing like free nondual > zoombies! Non dual dance, the zoombie dance the only one in town! lol > > See Lord bouddha, Pete your very own student is now with the > toombaru man. He doesn't hit him anymore?? Why master, Why? > > Master, please teach us please give us your wisdom in this hour of > darkness, in this hour of halloween dance. The zombees are out there > playing with us poor mortals. They say that we are looking for > immortality? They say that all is done! then the next day the Pete > man wants to help the poor Zombees, Why Master why is he wasting his > precious time with us, if all is gained already? If Nirvana is for > free, for everyone, Ignorant or not, killer or ugly etc. > > Master Nisargadatta! Why did you waist your precious health to help > people that don't even exist. but only in their mind? Master Nis is > it because you think you are a super hero like Achileas or Odysseus > or it is because you saw or understood something else? > > Master Vivekananda, master Ramakrishna, why at the end of your life > you declare and confest that God is in us that god is everything and > you teach us to stay in the path of Bhakti and Jnana yoga. You tell > us to trust God? Why is that Masters Why? Don't you know that God > does not exist? Why do you teach us to persevere if all is done. If > Nirvana is for all! an it is free. No sadhana, no process, nothing. > Please Masters why are you fouling us? The Pete man says that > nothing needs to be done? All is done. And the fun part is that it > is already the case for us all! We are all in Nirvana at this very > moment! Why oh God do you still send Avatars to teach us. God to > teach who? Oh God are you blind? Don't you see God that there is no > body to help or awaken? can't you see God that you don't exist > because some men have decide that you don't exist? > > Krishna you foul! why did you say that the soul is eternal and the > body is mortal. That when the body dies, the soul the consciousness > doesn't die with the body? The Pete man is thinking the opposite! > Krishna you foul don't you see that you are the servant of the Pete > man? are you blind master? And in case a true Master thinks this. > does that mean you are a liar my beloved one? or maybe the Pete man > didn't understand you well my beloved one! My experience tell me > that you are right Master Krishna. You are right! But what can we do > when such men laugh at you this way. They laugh at your bhakti, your > way? > > Maybe they are right? Maybe you are the greatest Zombee that > ever " non-existed " ? lol > > Can there really be non-existance in front of your Truth my Lord? > Can your sat-chit-Ananda or you presence be illusion? Can the wind > be called illusion when we breath it every day and every night. When > you fill our lungs with that air of yours? If we are the shadow. How > can I make them understand to them that there is no shadow without a > true object. The sun reflecting on it making your shadow my Lord! > > Lord Krishna!! They have mistaken the shadow for your true being. > They say you are the shadow and that that shadow is your only true > nature! My Lord, My Lord! They have seen you partly and they say > they have seen you all!!! > > I dance with them the zombee dance and they think this is all there > is of you? The shadow. The nothingness! They are in you and the next > morning the laugh at you? Maybe they are right? > Maybe it is the tail that says to the dog move and not the dog that > says move to the tail. Maybe we have created you. Just for the fun > of it! > > :0)) > > Hey guys, You can foul yourself but you ain't fouling " me " > > Love, love Love is all there is! > > Divine love, Divine love 4th stage of life! Avatars teach love Sai > baba the avatar teach Love. God is love! But of course I can > understand that non-dual zombees can't love because it is too low > for them!! you see! Bhakti is too stupid! If you only knew bhakti > that way is the Royal way to God. I personaly took Jnana. The who am > I method. I started at 8 years old. I red about Maharshi and his > method at 21 years old. I way in the process already for soo long. > Jnana yoga is the mind, the toughts way. But Bhakti is the heart of > God. > > Jesus said: Love one another??? Why? Oh of course another avatar > that gives spiritual instruction and teach several level of > understanding " awakening " to the poor non-existent false being. > Another one that doesn't understand well Reality or God! Anyway guys > in your version even God doesn't understand him selve. And God is > still sending Avatars again and again why? Because he doesn't > exist??? lol :0) > > You are such a fun guys. You are giving me a good time that's for > sure!! > > > > > Alberto, > > P.S. I shouldn't put my name above, you may think I want to be > somebody, the Ego! lol > > Love to you all! > Love Pete, Love toombaru .........this is wonderful example..... of mind........doing its thing........ toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Hi Stefan, I know that your remark that I at least don't preach was meant as a side blow at Pete but I feel I have to tell you that I am suffering too from this urge to preach. Just ask my friends, they really learned to hate me and when I start to open my mouth they turn their heads to the door to feel assured that escape is possible Now to your remark that you won't consider someone who still is in the children state a seeker. Let me cite this great Swiss psychologist Szondi who stated that of 150000 (hundred fifty thousand) so called grown-ups only one has really matured and became an adult, and all the others are still in the state of children - children in old bodies. What I wanted to say is do you consider you being an adult or would you see yourself still being in the state of a child ? This is not meant as an attack nor as an joke, it is a serious question. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > >With this trick I am sittind glued forever on the horse > >of eternity. Most seekers are sitting on this horse. > > I liked your post, I dont know what to say right now... maybe about > the last sentence: I would someone who is still in this children state > not call a seeker. And is it not a natural phase in development? > > Pete wrote: > > >Great post! Thanks, Werner. You do understand your Niz. > > Hi Pete, > yes he does, he knows that it is better to ask questions than to > preach. ;-))) > > STEFAN (<- this is my real name) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: >Hi Stefan, > >I know that your remark that I at least don't preach was meant as a >side blow at Pete but I feel I have to tell you that I am suffering >too from this urge to preach. Just ask my friends, they really >learned to hate me and when I start to open my mouth they turn their >heads to the door to feel assured that escape is possible Haha! But you have become very sensitive about this issue. You never sound like a preacher. Maybe you even should come out with your sword sometimes and have a good preach... just to see what happens!!! Just joking! I can feel your honesty, your authentic search. And you have the courage to show your weakness: this is a big strength. >What I wanted to say is do you consider you being an adult or would >you see yourself still being in the state of a child ? This is not >meant as an attack nor as an joke, it is a serious question. What a question! Wow! I have thought about it a while. Since a few years I see myself as an adult... which was a big relief for me and has filled me with thankfulness. But: ...!!! Sometimes I watch myself how I behave like a child. I remember when I was 30: I was still a child but tried to act as if I was an adult. I remember when I was 40: I started to feel what it means to be an adult. And I was lucky because I knew how to trust. Now I am 50 and I never make anybody ever responsible for anything that happens in my life. And I dont search for any " truth " ... " somewhere else " ... But I am just like everybody... more or less, haha! Maybe what I wrote is evidence that I am still a child? I dont know. We are all sitting in the same boat. And also in a grown up child there is his true face, hidden. Thank you for asking me this question. What about you, Werner? Adult or child or both? Greetings S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > >Hi Stefan, > > > >I know that your remark that I at least don't preach was meant as a > >side blow at Pete but I feel I have to tell you that I am suffering > >too from this urge to preach. Just ask my friends, they really > >learned to hate me and when I start to open my mouth they turn their > >heads to the door to feel assured that escape is possible > > Haha! But you have become very sensitive about this issue. You never > sound like a preacher. Maybe you even should come out with your sword > sometimes and have a good preach... just to see what happens!!! Just > joking! I can feel your honesty, your authentic search. And you have > the courage to show your weakness: this is a big strength. > > >What I wanted to say is do you consider you being an adult or would > >you see yourself still being in the state of a child ? This is not > >meant as an attack nor as an joke, it is a serious question. > > What a question! Wow! I have thought about it a while. Since a few > years I see myself as an adult... which was a big relief for me and > has filled me with thankfulness. But: ...!!! Sometimes I watch myself > how I behave like a child. > > I remember when I was 30: I was still a child but tried to act as if I > was an adult. > I remember when I was 40: I started to feel what it means to be an > adult. And I was lucky because I knew how to trust. > Now I am 50 and I never make anybody ever responsible for anything > that happens in my life. And I dont search for any " truth " ... > " somewhere else " ... > > But I am just like everybody... more or less, haha! Maybe what I wrote > is evidence that I am still a child? I dont know. We are all sitting > in the same boat. And also in a grown up child there is his true face, > hidden. Thank you for asking me this question. What about you, Werner? > Adult or child or both? > > Greetings > S. The way you guys are talking.............it appears that you not only believe that you are real ....but also believe that the other is real............and that this supposition .....this entity.....can somehow determine its own existential condition...... ........are you just playing with us poor zombees? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > The way you guys are talking.............it appears that you not only believe that you are real > ...but also believe that the other is real............and that this supposition ....this > entity.....can > somehow determine its own existential condition...... > > > > .......are you just playing with us poor zombees? we are taking each other for real... poor toom... what about your woman that you use to chase in the forest as you have told me? I would advise you: take her for real, you dont need to tell her that she is nonexistent... otherwise she might get pissed and you will miss all that fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > The way you guys are talking.............it appears that you not > only believe that you are real > > ...but also believe that the other is real............and that this > supposition ....this > > entity.....can > > somehow determine its own existential condition...... > > > > > > > > .......are you just playing with us poor zombees? > > we are taking each other for real... ,.......well................then......I have some bad news for you............. poor toom... what about your > woman that you use to chase in the forest as you have told me? She wasn't real........ I would > advise you: take her for real, you dont need to tell her that she is > nonexistent... otherwise she might get pissed and you will miss all > that fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Hi Stefan, To answer your question if I would consider my structure when observing my thoughts and behavior as that of a child - without hesitation: YES. Let me return to this statement of Szondi that of 150,000 grown-ups only one is really an adult. This adult he gave the name " Pontifex oppositorum " which means " The bridger of opposites " . Lingeling, the bell rings ? One also could call this adult " The realized one " , which means either I am still in the grip of my stucture which was and is that of a child or I am free of it and am enlightened or how ever you want to name it. Now one also could call serious seekers as those who want to become adult. Funny, isnt't it ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > >Hi Stefan, > > > >I know that your remark that I at least don't preach was meant as a > >side blow at Pete but I feel I have to tell you that I am suffering > >too from this urge to preach. Just ask my friends, they really > >learned to hate me and when I start to open my mouth they turn their > >heads to the door to feel assured that escape is possible > > Haha! But you have become very sensitive about this issue. You never > sound like a preacher. Maybe you even should come out with your sword > sometimes and have a good preach... just to see what happens!!! Just > joking! I can feel your honesty, your authentic search. And you have > the courage to show your weakness: this is a big strength. > > >What I wanted to say is do you consider you being an adult or would > >you see yourself still being in the state of a child ? This is not > >meant as an attack nor as an joke, it is a serious question. > > What a question! Wow! I have thought about it a while. Since a few > years I see myself as an adult... which was a big relief for me and > has filled me with thankfulness. But: ...!!! Sometimes I watch myself > how I behave like a child. > > I remember when I was 30: I was still a child but tried to act as if I > was an adult. > I remember when I was 40: I started to feel what it means to be an > adult. And I was lucky because I knew how to trust. > Now I am 50 and I never make anybody ever responsible for anything > that happens in my life. And I dont search for any " truth " ... > " somewhere else " ... > > But I am just like everybody... more or less, haha! Maybe what I wrote > is evidence that I am still a child? I dont know. We are all sitting > in the same boat. And also in a grown up child there is his true face, > hidden. Thank you for asking me this question. What about you, Werner? > Adult or child or both? > > Greetings > S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Hi Werner, I did not know those strong criteria, I generously counted the one who is most of the time aware about his childish patterns as an adult. " Bridger of opposites " - well this rings certainly a bell, although to equal this exclusively with " the realized one " ... I am not sure... but I dont know the background of this publication... - Warning: not for those who take everything serious: I just made a fun calculation: We have a world population of 6.400.000.000. I dont know how many of them are grown up, half of them? Lets say half of them, that makes 3.200.000.000. Divided by 150.000 we arrive at 21.333 realized people... this certainly should make hope! That is 0.0006 %. If you consider that only 10% of the whole world population has an internet access this makes - statistically - 3.840 enlightened people with an internet access. Now lets look at Mailinglists. drew 9.500.000 unique visitors in January 2004. This would make - statistically - 57 enlightened people who visited . Maybe they are all in the Nisargadatta group? But wait... the " Nisargadatta " group has currently 648 members. This makes - statistically - 0.004 enlightened members here :-( LOL... All the best Stefan Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > To answer your question if I would consider my structure when > observing my thoughts and behavior as that of a child - without > hesitation: YES. > > Let me return to this statement of Szondi that of 150,000 grown-ups > only one is really an adult. This adult he gave the name " Pontifex > oppositorum " which means " The bridger of opposites " . Lingeling, the > bell rings ? One also could call this adult " The realized one " , which > means either I am still in the grip of my stucture which was and is > that of a child or I am free of it and am enlightened or how ever you > want to name it. > > Now one also could call serious seekers as those who want to become > adult. > > Funny, isnt't it ? > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Hi Werner, > > I did not know those strong criteria, I generously counted the one who > is most of the time aware about his childish patterns as an adult. > " Bridger of opposites " - well this rings certainly a bell, although to > equal this exclusively with " the realized one " ... I am not sure... but > I dont know the background of this publication... > > - Warning: not for those who take everything serious: > > I just made a fun calculation: We have a world population of > 6.400.000.000. I dont know how many of them are grown up, half of > them? Lets say half of them, that makes 3.200.000.000. Divided by > 150.000 we arrive at 21.333 realized people... this certainly should > make hope! That is 0.0006 %. If you consider that only 10% of the > whole world population has an internet access this makes - > statistically - 3.840 enlightened people with an internet access. Now > lets look at Mailinglists. drew 9.500.000 unique > visitors in January 2004. This would make - statistically - 57 > enlightened people who visited . Maybe they are all in the > Nisargadatta group? But wait... the " Nisargadatta " group has currently > 648 members. This makes - statistically - 0.004 enlightened members > here :-( > > LOL... All the best > Stefan There can only be ONE. ))))) /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > To answer your question if I would consider my structure when > > observing my thoughts and behavior as that of a child - without > > hesitation: YES. > > > > Let me return to this statement of Szondi that of 150,000 grown- ups > > only one is really an adult. This adult he gave the name " Pontifex > > oppositorum " which means " The bridger of opposites " . Lingeling, the > > bell rings ? One also could call this adult " The realized one " , > which > > means either I am still in the grip of my stucture which was and is > > that of a child or I am free of it and am enlightened or how ever > you > > want to name it. > > > > Now one also could call serious seekers as those who want to become > > adult. > > > > Funny, isnt't it ? > > > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nice, nice, Stefan, You won't believe it but I also already had made this calculation Surely, what I wrote is a simplification and one indeed could work out and establish some system of different grades of maturing and write books about it and publish it, but if you look at it with simple eyes one also could call this work escaping. I don't see any need to study that publishing of Szondi's because I think it is rather a question of self-acceptance to take what I wrote and I really know that it is not that easy to accept it. Imagine from now on meeting all those people til yet you played the role of an respectable adult for and suddenly you will meet them being aware of owning the structure of a child - blush, blush ... but please also see that now you will realize for whom you played that respectable person: For children in old bodies which too were playing such a role. Werner Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Hi Werner, > > I did not know those strong criteria, I generously counted the one who > is most of the time aware about his childish patterns as an adult. > " Bridger of opposites " - well this rings certainly a bell, although to > equal this exclusively with " the realized one " ... I am not sure... but > I dont know the background of this publication... > > - Warning: not for those who take everything serious: > > I just made a fun calculation: We have a world population of > 6.400.000.000. I dont know how many of them are grown up, half of > them? Lets say half of them, that makes 3.200.000.000. Divided by > 150.000 we arrive at 21.333 realized people... this certainly should > make hope! That is 0.0006 %. If you consider that only 10% of the > whole world population has an internet access this makes - > statistically - 3.840 enlightened people with an internet access. Now > lets look at Mailinglists. drew 9.500.000 unique > visitors in January 2004. This would make - statistically - 57 > enlightened people who visited . Maybe they are all in the > Nisargadatta group? But wait... the " Nisargadatta " group has currently > 648 members. This makes - statistically - 0.004 enlightened members > here :-( > > LOL... All the best > Stefan > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > To answer your question if I would consider my structure when > > observing my thoughts and behavior as that of a child - without > > hesitation: YES. > > > > Let me return to this statement of Szondi that of 150,000 grown- ups > > only one is really an adult. This adult he gave the name " Pontifex > > oppositorum " which means " The bridger of opposites " . Lingeling, the > > bell rings ? One also could call this adult " The realized one " , > which > > means either I am still in the grip of my stucture which was and is > > that of a child or I am free of it and am enlightened or how ever > you > > want to name it. > > > > Now one also could call serious seekers as those who want to become > > adult. > > > > Funny, isnt't it ? > > > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 anders_lindman [anders_lindman] Monday, October 18, 2004 5:32 PM Nisargadatta Re: Beyond all Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Hi Werner, > > I did not know those strong criteria, I generously counted the one who > is most of the time aware about his childish patterns as an adult. > " Bridger of opposites " - well this rings certainly a bell, although to > equal this exclusively with " the realized one " ... I am not sure... but > I dont know the background of this publication... > > - Warning: not for those who take everything serious: > > I just made a fun calculation: We have a world population of > 6.400.000.000. I dont know how many of them are grown up, half of > them? Lets say half of them, that makes 3.200.000.000. Divided by > 150.000 we arrive at 21.333 realized people... this certainly should > make hope! That is 0.0006 %. If you consider that only 10% of the > whole world population has an internet access this makes - > statistically - 3.840 enlightened people with an internet access. Now > lets look at Mailinglists. drew 9.500.000 unique > visitors in January 2004. This would make - statistically - 57 > enlightened people who visited . Maybe they are all in the > Nisargadatta group? But wait... the " Nisargadatta " group has currently > 648 members. This makes - statistically - 0.004 enlightened members > here :-( > > LOL... All the best > Stefan There can only be ONE. ))))) so right .... there r no enlightened people ... there is only the " Enlightened One " ... And also the Enlightened Ones will never be in the Group .... they will be lost in silence. /AL > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > To answer your question if I would consider my structure when > > observing my thoughts and behavior as that of a child - without > > hesitation: YES. > > > > Let me return to this statement of Szondi that of 150,000 grown- ups > > only one is really an adult. This adult he gave the name " Pontifex > > oppositorum " which means " The bridger of opposites " . Lingeling, the > > bell rings ? One also could call this adult " The realized one " , > which > > means either I am still in the grip of my stucture which was and is > > that of a child or I am free of it and am enlightened or how ever > you > > want to name it. > > > > Now one also could call serious seekers as those who want to become > > adult. > > > > Funny, isnt't it ? > > > > Werner ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Ramanath, Murali H \(GE Healthcare\) " <Murali.Ramanath@g...> wrote: > > > > anders_lindman [anders_lindman] > Monday, October 18, 2004 5:32 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Beyond all > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > I did not know those strong criteria, I generously counted the one > who > > is most of the time aware about his childish patterns as an adult. > > " Bridger of opposites " - well this rings certainly a bell, although > to > > equal this exclusively with " the realized one " ... I am not sure... > but > > I dont know the background of this publication... > > > > - Warning: not for those who take everything serious: > > > > I just made a fun calculation: We have a world population of > > 6.400.000.000. I dont know how many of them are grown up, half of > > them? Lets say half of them, that makes 3.200.000.000. Divided by > > 150.000 we arrive at 21.333 realized people... this certainly should > > make hope! That is 0.0006 %. If you consider that only 10% of the > > whole world population has an internet access this makes - > > statistically - 3.840 enlightened people with an internet access. > Now > > lets look at Mailinglists. drew 9.500.000 unique > > visitors in January 2004. This would make - statistically - 57 > > enlightened people who visited . Maybe they are all in > the > > Nisargadatta group? But wait... the " Nisargadatta " group has > currently > > 648 members. This makes - statistically - 0.004 enlightened members > > here :-( > > > > LOL... All the best > > Stefan > > There can only be ONE. ))))) > so right .... there r no enlightened people ... > there is only the " Enlightened One " ... > > And also the Enlightened Ones will never be in the Group .... > they will be lost in silence. > Silence? " Consider the lilies in the field, they neither toil nor spin... " Jesus Christ said (or something like that anyway /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Some people wrote: >A:There can only be ONE. ))))) >B:so right .... there r no enlightened people ... >there is only the " Enlightened One " ... >C:And also the Enlightened Ones will never be in the Group .... >they will be lost in silence. >D:Silence? " Consider the lilies in the field, they neither toil nor >spin... " Jesus Christ said (or something like that anyway Hey, didnt I tell you guys: " - Warning: not for those who take everything serious " Haha... its allright... maybe you are only joking... S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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