Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > E: more on the subject > > BUDDHIST MEDITATION: > Stages of Mindfulness and Aborsption > > PATH OF CONCENTRATION LEADING TO ABSORPTION > > Begin with BOTTOM of list " A, " and work up: > > E. NIRODHA (cessation, extinction) > > Complete cessation of all psychomental activity; complete > suppression of all samsaric conditionality; complete > tranquillity " on the edge of the world " without, however, " going > over " to Nirvana. Can last several days. Nirodha is attained after > passing through the four formless absorptions, but only an Arahant > can achieve Nirodha. > > D. JHANA OR DHYANA WITHOUT FORM (arupa jhana): absorption without > form, leading to increasing rarefaction or incorporeality (similar > to Patanjali's asamprajnata samadhi. Asamprajnata-samadhi is > sometimes known in Vedanta circles as nirvikalpa-samadhi). > Asamprajnata-samadhi is generally considered to incorporate the > following four Jhanas within its scope: > > 8) Eighth Jhana: jhana beyond perception and nonperception > (nevasannanasanna) Saijojo. > 7) Seventh Jhana: jhana of pure emptiness (akinci, > lit. " nothingness " ) Ken-Chu-Shi. > 6) Sixth Jhana: jhana of pure expansive consciousness (vinnana). > 5) Fifth Jhana: jhana of boundless space (anantakasa). > > See also: Amrita–Nadi > > C. JHANA OR DHYANA WITH FORM (rupa): absorption in supporting > content (similar to Patanjali's samprajnata samadhi). Samprajnata- > samadhi is generally considered to incorporate the following four > Jhanas within its scope: > > 4) Fourth Jhana: delete sense of well-being, leaving absorbed > equanimity. > 3) Third Jhana: delete joy, leaving equanimity and sense of well- > being. > 2) Second Jhana: delete mental activity, leaving joy and sense of > well-being. > 1) First Jhana: mental activity, joy, and sense of well-being. > > See also: The Five Varieties of Zen. > > B. ACCESS CONCENTRATION (upacara samadhi): powerful, unwavering > attention on the focal object. > > Traditionally, when the Five Hindrances are overcome it is called > Upacara Samadhi, known also as " neighborhood concentration. " That > is, Neighbourhood Samadhi, where you are right NEXT to Jhanas but > not fully in them. It's like being in the entrance to a hall...you > have to pass over the entrance, the neighborhood, to come into the > room. And also you have to pass over it as you go out. These are > Upacaras, neighborhoods. > > See also: Hua T'ou as well as Laya. > > A. TRANQUILLITY (samatha or shamatha): the practice of one-pointed > mental attention. > > NOTE: It is said that the path of tranquillity-concentration- > absorption can lead to supernormal powers (e.g., extrasensory > perception, knowledge of previous lives). All of the attainments of > this path, however, are considered samsaric. Buddhism holds that > absorption by itself cannot lead to Nirvana. It is, rather, the path > of Mindfulness-Insight that is said to lead to Nirvana. The mastery > of " access concentration, " however, is said to be an effective means > to more stable mindfulness, and the mastery of the higher absorptive > states is said to be an effective means to deeper insight. In a > similar vein, please comepare the above with: Joriki, as well as > Siddhi. > > NOTE: In Buddhism, the meditative stages of samatha (or shamatha: > tranquillity), Samadhi (specifically, access concentration: upacara > samadhi), and jhana [Pali] or dhyana [sanskrit] (absorption) > correspond roughly to Patanjali's dharana, dhyana, Samadhi, > respectively. > > NOTE: In Buddhism, it is usually 'jhana' or 'dhyana', but sometimes > also 'samadhi', that is used for absorption. Samadhi, understood as > means of access to absorption, is usually considered a precondition > of absorption (jhana/dhyana).(BACK) > > LAYA > > more: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/absorption.html > > NIRODHA > > Ni (without) + rodha (prison, confine, obstacle, wall, impediment): > without impediment, free of confinement > > ..... > > > > > > > > Hi all, I think this is a different way we can look at Nirvana or > > the absolute. > > > > In Zen Buddhism nirvana is the realization of the true nature of > the > > mind (consciousness), which is identical with the true nature of > how > > human beings experience their world--the buddha-nature (bussho). > > This realization is only possible through wisdom. Thus nirvana is > > often equated with prajna. In the Zen sense, prajna and nirvana > are > > two aspects of the same state. Nirvana is the state in which a > > person lives who has attained prajna and thus also insight into > his > > own mind or true nature; and prajna is the wisdom of a person who > > has attained nirvana. " The Bodhisattva's nirvana is perfect > > tranquillity, but it is not extinction nor inertness. " Buddha, > > Lankavatara Scripture, Goddard. > > > > Two types of nirvana are distinguished: indeterminate > (apratishthita- > > nirvana) and complete (pratishthita-nirvana). In actuality, the > > experiencer moves between both types of nirvana. Having the > > capability to cease the activities of the mind and to create > mental > > activity in various combinations of thought, seeing, hearing and > > remembering, etc. > > > > 12. The Madhyamikas see nirvana as emptiness (shunyata), which > they > > define as " coming to rest of the manifold creations of the mind. " > > This means the cessation or absence (temporarily) of the activity > of > > the mind. Nirvana is a conscious experience of the oneness with > > reality that had always existed, only is not recognized. Nirvana > and > > samsara are not different if one perceives the world in its true > > nature, which is emptiness. It is our discriminating mind that > > prevents us from recognizing this true nature. > > > > > > > > Wheel Publication No. 17. c 1981, 1995 Buddhist Publication > Society. > > > > http://www.selfknowledge.com/109719.htm > > > > When the two become " ONE " > > > > Love, > > Alberto, > > metta, Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok> wrote: > > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > E: more on the subject > > > > BUDDHIST MEDITATION: > > Stages of Mindfulness and Aborsption > > > > PATH OF CONCENTRATION LEADING TO ABSORPTION > > > > Begin with BOTTOM of list " A, " and work up: > > > > E. NIRODHA (cessation, extinction) > > > > Complete cessation of all psychomental activity; complete > > suppression of all samsaric conditionality; complete > > tranquillity " on the edge of the world " without, however, " going > > over " to Nirvana. Can last several days. Nirodha is attained after > > passing through the four formless absorptions, but only an Arahant > > can achieve Nirodha. > > > > D. JHANA OR DHYANA WITHOUT FORM (arupa jhana): absorption without > > form, leading to increasing rarefaction or incorporeality (similar > > to Patanjali's asamprajnata samadhi. Asamprajnata-samadhi is > > sometimes known in Vedanta circles as nirvikalpa-samadhi). > > Asamprajnata-samadhi is generally considered to incorporate the > > following four Jhanas within its scope: > > > > 8) Eighth Jhana: jhana beyond perception and nonperception > > (nevasannanasanna) Saijojo. > > 7) Seventh Jhana: jhana of pure emptiness (akinci, > > lit. " nothingness " ) Ken-Chu-Shi. > > 6) Sixth Jhana: jhana of pure expansive consciousness (vinnana). > > 5) Fifth Jhana: jhana of boundless space (anantakasa). > > > > See also: Amrita–Nadi > > > > C. JHANA OR DHYANA WITH FORM (rupa): absorption in supporting > > content (similar to Patanjali's samprajnata samadhi). Samprajnata- > > samadhi is generally considered to incorporate the following four > > Jhanas within its scope: > > > > 4) Fourth Jhana: delete sense of well-being, leaving absorbed > > equanimity. > > 3) Third Jhana: delete joy, leaving equanimity and sense of well- > > being. > > 2) Second Jhana: delete mental activity, leaving joy and sense of > > well-being. > > 1) First Jhana: mental activity, joy, and sense of well-being. > > > > See also: The Five Varieties of Zen. > > > > B. ACCESS CONCENTRATION (upacara samadhi): powerful, unwavering > > attention on the focal object. > > > > Traditionally, when the Five Hindrances are overcome it is called > > Upacara Samadhi, known also as " neighborhood concentration. " That > > is, Neighbourhood Samadhi, where you are right NEXT to Jhanas but > > not fully in them. It's like being in the entrance to a hall...you > > have to pass over the entrance, the neighborhood, to come into the > > room. And also you have to pass over it as you go out. These are > > Upacaras, neighborhoods. > > > > See also: Hua T'ou as well as Laya. > > > > A. TRANQUILLITY (samatha or shamatha): the practice of one- pointed > > mental attention. > > > > NOTE: It is said that the path of tranquillity-concentration- > > absorption can lead to supernormal powers (e.g., extrasensory > > perception, knowledge of previous lives). All of the attainments of > > this path, however, are considered samsaric. Buddhism holds that > > absorption by itself cannot lead to Nirvana. It is, rather, the path > > of Mindfulness-Insight that is said to lead to Nirvana. The mastery > > of " access concentration, " however, is said to be an effective means > > to more stable mindfulness, and the mastery of the higher absorptive > > states is said to be an effective means to deeper insight. In a > > similar vein, please comepare the above with: Joriki, as well as > > Siddhi. > > > > NOTE: In Buddhism, the meditative stages of samatha (or shamatha: > > tranquillity), Samadhi (specifically, access concentration: upacara > > samadhi), and jhana [Pali] or dhyana [sanskrit] (absorption) > > correspond roughly to Patanjali's dharana, dhyana, Samadhi, > > respectively. > > > > NOTE: In Buddhism, it is usually 'jhana' or 'dhyana', but sometimes > > also 'samadhi', that is used for absorption. Samadhi, understood as > > means of access to absorption, is usually considered a precondition > > of absorption (jhana/dhyana).(BACK) > > > > LAYA > > > > more: > > http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/absorption.html > > > > > NIRODHA > > > > Ni (without) + rodha (prison, confine, obstacle, wall, impediment): > > without impediment, free of confinement > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, I think this is a different way we can look at Nirvana or > > > the absolute. > > > > > > In Zen Buddhism nirvana is the realization of the true nature of > > the > > > mind (consciousness), which is identical with the true nature of > > how > > > human beings experience their world--the buddha-nature (bussho). > > > This realization is only possible through wisdom. Thus nirvana is > > > often equated with prajna. In the Zen sense, prajna and nirvana > > are > > > two aspects of the same state. Nirvana is the state in which a > > > person lives who has attained prajna and thus also insight into > > his > > > own mind or true nature; and prajna is the wisdom of a person who > > > has attained nirvana. " The Bodhisattva's nirvana is perfect > > > tranquillity, but it is not extinction nor inertness. " Buddha, > > > Lankavatara Scripture, Goddard. > > > > > > Two types of nirvana are distinguished: indeterminate > > (apratishthita- > > > nirvana) and complete (pratishthita-nirvana). In actuality, the > > > experiencer moves between both types of nirvana. Having the > > > capability to cease the activities of the mind and to create > > mental > > > activity in various combinations of thought, seeing, hearing and > > > remembering, etc. > > > > > > 12. The Madhyamikas see nirvana as emptiness (shunyata), which > > they > > > define as " coming to rest of the manifold creations of the mind. " > > > This means the cessation or absence (temporarily) of the activity > > of > > > the mind. Nirvana is a conscious experience of the oneness with > > > reality that had always existed, only is not recognized. Nirvana > > and > > > samsara are not different if one perceives the world in its true > > > nature, which is emptiness. It is our discriminating mind that > > > prevents us from recognizing this true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wheel Publication No. 17. c 1981, 1995 Buddhist Publication > > Society. > > > > > > http://www.selfknowledge.com/109719.htm > > > > > > When the two become " ONE " > > > > > > Love, > > > Alberto, > > > > metta, Era *********************************************** Hi Era, It is in the text above on top, it says: Nirodha is attained after passing through the four formless absorptions, but only an Arahant can achieve Nirodha. What is an Arahant? This is a beautiful description of sadhana. It is just sad the text stops just when the fun begins :0( It says on top too: without, however, " going over " to Nirvana. Can last several days. Nirodha is attained after passing through the four formless absorptions, but only an Arahant . Without, however going over to Nirvana. Could you describe me what is after Nirodha? I supose it is Nirvana etc, but are there other level or samadhi or states etc after Nirodha? I guess the last one is Nirvana again but I think there are two or more kind of Nirvana, no? I'm asking because I feel you know a lot. Maybe you could help me to understand a little bit more the theory. I go to some web sites but It is not easy to find good sources and good information concerning the higher levels, Thanks. This is a very interesting posting thanks. Well I find! :0) Love Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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