Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right direction.......... t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right direction.......... One question (and then I shut up for today:-)) WHERE is " deep down " ? S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right direction.......... > > t. ********************************** I understand you Toomb. But not the Ego! So a person that you clearly see that he has an ego. and you tell that person that he doesn't exist or that he will die! That will give him the fuel to protect the Ego even more and he the ego will become superman, super " EGO " . The ego doesn't want to die. Ramana knew that, so it is better to let the ego understand who he " is " " Who am I " then it vanishes in the clouds!! What remains is the Self, The Atman. Ramana was really smart don't you think? Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really > good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self > circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all > over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. > > > > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when > you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he > is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every > thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right > direction.......... > > One question (and then I shut up for today:-)) > WHERE is " deep down " ? > > S. ......in the center of the swirling debris....of identification......the mnemonic-reverberations...the temporal-hall-of mirrors.....is an empty I...infinitely quiet....pristine...and forever one with the vastness.... t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really > > good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self > > circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all > > over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. > > > > > > > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when > > you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he > > is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every > > thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right > > direction.......... > > > > One question (and then I shut up for today:-)) > > WHERE is " deep down " ? > > > > S. > > > > > .....in the center of the swirling debris....of identification......the mnemonic-reverberations...the temporal-hall- of mirrors.....is an empty I...infinitely quiet....pristine...and forever one with the vastness.... > > > > t ******************************* The old sage toombaru. ha ha ha! You are great! Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right direction.......... t. >>>>> or when you feel something crawling in the pit of your stomach... or when you feel a cold sweat come over you... when you know that *time's up* when a moment of reckoning has arrived those are the real " wakeup calls " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel > good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by > Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when > Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more > sweets to the ego. > > > > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime > when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down > that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing > up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the > right direction.......... > > > > t. > > ********************************** > > I understand you Toomb. But not the Ego! So a person that you > clearly see that he has an ego. and you tell that person that he > doesn't exist or that he will die! That will give him the fuel to > protect the Ego even more and he the ego will become superman, > super " EGO " . The ego doesn't want to die. Ramana knew that, so it is > better to let the ego understand who he " is " " Who am I " then it > vanishes in the clouds!! What remains is the Self, The Atman. There's that ole duality again...:-) The concept of something (ego) struggling to become once again one with God....runs deep in the human condition....... It assumes that it is real.......out of this assumption ( " I-AM " )......the dream of separation grinds on...... ......If it is real.....something bigger...and more perfect must have made it.......and the journey-home-that-never-ends...begins. You can never please the God of your own creation......He will always be (by definition)...just beyond your grasp...... ....the receding horizon... Well..........what if......there is no actual God?........What if human consciousness is the highest...the best that life has to offer? What if there in no-thing beyond this dreaming? no future....no past........only THIS...unknowableness......pushing forever outward........looking for ITS SELF? What if the brain cells in the frontal cortex..........are dreaming up this entire world........and What if there is nothing beyond THAT? Cats dreaming up a cats' world.......Frogs dreaming up a frogs' world........ and what if all of the above......is just consciousness..spinning through empty space........trying to get a peek up its own....imaginary......dress?.... LOL I like that..........better then God. > Ramana was really smart don't you think? > > Alberto, ************************************ If Ramana were born in this country ........he would have been placed in an institution...... **************************************** One time I had a dream in which Ramana was sitting on a table as I entered the room....... He didn't look up when I asked him several questions....and..just as I turned to leave he glanced in my direction.......and the world started to fall apart.......the .....glue......the binding agent......turned to a clear liquid.......and everything was gone........except Ramana's smile...... I woke up crying........crying for the apparent pain in the world.......crying for my own pain.......crying because......everthing seemed so simple........ I love Ramana.......but I have absolutely no idea.....what he is........... well .....actually....I do........but words........will not touch that knowing........ t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more sweets to the ego. > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the right direction.......... > > t. > >>>>> > > or when you feel something crawling in the pit of your stomach... > > or when you feel a cold sweat come over you... > > when you know that *time's up* > > when a moment of reckoning has arrived > > those are the real " wakeup calls " > > > Bill " Dead man walking " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 toombaru: and what if all of the above......is just consciousness..spinning through empty space........trying to get a peek up its own....imaginary......dress?.... >>> such fun you remind me of ole Wei Wu Wei here... all the what if'n goes nowhere, of course... because if *anything* is presumed then confusion is established at the root t: <<<< One time I had a dream in which Ramana was sitting on a table as I entered the room....... He didn't look up when I asked him several questions....and..just as I turned to leave he glanced in my direction.......and the world started to fall apart.......the .....glue......the binding agent......turned to a clear liquid.......and everything was gone........except Ramana's smile...... I woke up crying........crying for the apparent pain in the world.......crying for my own pain.......crying because......everthing seemed so simple........ I love Ramana.......but I have absolutely no idea.....what he is........... well .....actually....I do........but words........will not touch that knowing........ >>>> very beautiful... incohoate and coherent all at once I never read anything that so seemed to get to the essence of Ramana... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel > > good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by > > Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when > > Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just more > > sweets to the ego. > > > > > > > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime > > when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down > > that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing > > up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the > > right direction.......... > > > > > > t. > > > > ********************************** > > > > I understand you Toomb. But not the Ego! So a person that you > > clearly see that he has an ego. and you tell that person that he > > doesn't exist or that he will die! That will give him the fuel to > > protect the Ego even more and he the ego will become superman, > > super " EGO " . The ego doesn't want to die. Ramana knew that, so it is > > better to let the ego understand who he " is " " Who am I " then it > > vanishes in the clouds!! What remains is the Self, The Atman. > > > > There's that ole duality again...:-) > > > The concept of something (ego) struggling to become once again one with God....runs deep in the human condition....... > > It assumes that it is real.......out of this assumption ( " I- AM " )......the dream of separation grinds on...... > > .....If it is real.....something bigger...and more perfect must have made > it.......and the journey-home-that-never-ends...begins. > > > You can never please the God of your own creation......He will always be (by definition)...just beyond your grasp...... > > ...the receding horizon... > > Well..........what if......there is no actual God?........What if human consciousness is the highest...the best that life has to offer? > > What if there in no-thing beyond this dreaming? > > > no future....no past........only THIS...unknowableness......pushing forever outward........looking for ITS SELF? > > What if the brain cells in the frontal cortex..........are dreaming up this entire world........and What if there is nothing beyond THAT? > > > Cats dreaming up a cats' world.......Frogs dreaming up a frogs' world........ > > > > > and what if all of the above......is just consciousness..spinning through empty space........trying to get a peek up > its own....imaginary......dress?.... > > > LOL > > > > > I like that..........better then God. > > > > > > Ramana was really smart don't you think? > > > > Alberto, > > > ************************************ > > If Ramana were born in this country > .......he would have been placed in an institution...... > > **************************************** > > One time I had a dream in which Ramana was sitting on a table as I entered the room....... > > He didn't look up when I asked him several questions....and..just as I turned to leave he glanced in my direction.......and the world started to fall apart.......the .....glue......the binding agent......turned to a clear liquid.......and everything was gone........except Ramana's smile...... > > I woke up crying........crying for the apparent pain in the world.......crying for my own pain.......crying because......everthing seemed so simple........ > > > I love Ramana.......but I have absolutely no idea.....what he is........... > > > well .....actually....I do........but words........will not touch that knowing........ t. **************************** Toombaru, this is a very beautiful dream. I had a few like thoses. As powerful as this one. But Ramana is much more. You were talking about consciousness using your fingers! and yet you go back to your confortable seat? You wrote: > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime > > when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep down > > that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing > > up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in the > > right direction.......... > > > > > > t. Why do you think you had nauseas! It is because you are going to the good direction as you said! It is not because there is nothing above you and you are at the top hill!! Ramana glance was to kill your Ego. And you are still playing with it! let him kill it once and for all. And " abide in the I am " . At least think about it? Love Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Generally speaking........if something makes you feel > > > good...really good....you know...when you read a poem by > > > Rumi.....and find your self circling up over the orb....or when > > > Hafiz...makes you feel warm all over.....well that's all just > more > > > sweets to the ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime > > > when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep > down > > > that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing > > > up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in > the > > > right direction.......... > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > ********************************** > > > > > > I understand you Toomb. But not the Ego! So a person that you > > > clearly see that he has an ego. and you tell that person that he > > > doesn't exist or that he will die! That will give him the fuel > to > > > protect the Ego even more and he the ego will become superman, > > > super " EGO " . The ego doesn't want to die. Ramana knew that, so > it is > > > better to let the ego understand who he " is " " Who am I " then it > > > vanishes in the clouds!! What remains is the Self, The Atman. > > > > > > > > There's that ole duality again...:-) > > > > > > The concept of something (ego) struggling to become once again one > with God....runs deep in the human condition....... > > > > It assumes that it is real.......out of this assumption ( " I- > AM " )......the dream of separation grinds on...... > > > > .....If it is real.....something bigger...and more perfect must > have made > > it.......and the journey-home-that-never-ends...begins. > > > > > > You can never please the God of your own creation......He will > always be (by definition)...just beyond your grasp...... > > > > ...the receding horizon... > > > > Well..........what if......there is no actual God?........What if > human consciousness is the highest...the best that life has to offer? > > > > What if there in no-thing beyond this dreaming? > > > > > > no future....no past........only > THIS...unknowableness......pushing forever outward........looking > for ITS SELF? > > > > What if the brain cells in the frontal cortex..........are > dreaming up this entire world........and What if there is nothing > beyond THAT? > > > > > > Cats dreaming up a cats' world.......Frogs dreaming up a frogs' > world........ > > > > > > > > > > and what if all of the above......is just consciousness..spinning > through empty space........trying to get a peek up > > its own....imaginary......dress?.... > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > > > > > I like that..........better then God. > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana was really smart don't you think? > > > > > > Alberto, > > > > > > ************************************ > > > > If Ramana were born in this country > > .......he would have been placed in an institution...... > > > > **************************************** > > > > One time I had a dream in which Ramana was sitting on a table as I > entered the room....... > > > > He didn't look up when I asked him several questions....and..just > as I turned to leave he glanced in my direction.......and the world > started to fall apart.......the .....glue......the binding > agent......turned to a clear liquid.......and everything was > gone........except Ramana's smile...... > > > > I woke up crying........crying for the apparent pain in the > world.......crying for my own pain.......crying > because......everthing seemed so simple........ > > > > > > I love Ramana.......but I have absolutely no idea.....what he > is........... > > > > > > well .....actually....I do........but words........will not touch > that knowing........ > > t. > **************************** > > Toombaru, this is a very beautiful dream. I had a few like thoses. > As powerful as this one. But Ramana is much more. You were talking > about consciousness using your fingers! and yet you go back to your > confortable seat? > > You wrote: > > > The food you seek......will make you nauseous.........sometime > > > when you look into the master's eyes....and you know......deep > down > > > that he is trying to kill you....and you feel like throwing > > > up...every thing........then.....you know....you're headed in > the > > > right direction.......... > > > > > > > > t. > > Why do you think you had nauseas! It is because you are going to the > good direction as you said! It is not because there is nothing above > you and you are at the top hill!! Ramana glance was to kill your > Ego. And you are still playing with it! let him kill it once and for > all. And " abide in the I am " . > At least think about it? > > Love > Alberto, Ahhhhh my friend.........that's about all I ever think about.......:-) t. 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Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 > > Why do you think you had nauseas! It is because you are going to the > > good direction as you said! It is not because there is nothing above > > you and you are at the top hill!! Ramana glance was to kill your > > Ego. And you are still playing with it! let him kill it once and for > > all. And " abide in the I am " . > > At least think about it? > > > > Love > > Alberto, > > > Ahhhhh my friend.........that's about all I ever think about.......:-) > > t. ************************************************ Dear Toombaru, I understand you. It is not easy to make new steps or to continue the walk! You understand that it is easy to talk about and very difficult to do it, to go further our own limits. Your posting about what if this and what if that. The cat'dreaming the cats world etc. the edge, not the edge, the beautiful, the ugly, the wise, the sinner , the sin " is " the Ego's world it self! Is the trap it self, Is the separation it self. The Ego will never never rest or awaken because he know already that those speculations are false and he is furious because he wants to believe them. But knows there are not the " truth it self " , Brahman. The Ego will never submit the the false. Only to the " I am " consciousness without thoughts . The " I am It self " . Then in the " I am consciousness " he is home and he rest in peace and toughts disapear, and he feels so good and lives bliss and slowly in love, he disapears, logic desapears, bla bla is gone with the wind, time desapears, here and there, and everywhere, high, low, etc. only " I am " remains. When fully master , This is self-Realisation. The realisation of your bubble identity, the " Who am I " . This is not Ramana yet. Ramana is above, as Master Nis, and buddha, and Jesus. You felt and are still feeling self-Realisation. but you went back to hide again in your world! Just remain there as Master Nis did. he remained there until everything vanished, him, his master, the world, everything, all. Just the I am. Completely absorbe in the " I am " one sees the root of this " I am " You can see the root only trough complete absorbtion in the " I am " without any toughts and the root of " I am " is what master Nis said: pure awareness, The void etc. But it is not nothing or non-existing. There is Ramana Maharshi, Brahma loka, House of the Holy! Love, Alberto, P.S. Ramana gave you new cloths the " I am " state. Don't put back the old one . The " Ego " the fake " you " . Abide on the edge of the world! You are in this world but you are not from this world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " Toombaru: in the center of the swirling debris....of > identification......the mnemonic-reverberations...the temporal- hall- > of mirrors.....is an empty I...infinitely quiet....pristine...and > forever one with the vastness.... > > > > > t > > ******************************* > > Alberto, The state above is the " I am " state, it is attained after the temporal-hall of mirrors, and everything toombaru said above. This empty " I " " full of emptyness, pure emptyness " " emptyness alive " " Is the " I Am " Is the Transcendental Consciousness, unborn, nor dies, it cannot die!! Only what is born can die! That Transcendental Consciousness as said above is peace and union with the vastness.... One with the vastness, not cut from it self because the Ego who was cuting the Union has finally died in him. Only the Self remains. The true " you " . You become a true Sage. You enter the Fourth State. You are the son of the childless mother. You are unborn, you don't die, you are the eternal Transcendental Consciousness. You are immortal. As Transcendental Consciousness you are at the feet of Ramana, He is always with you!!! And this state is prior or above the mystic state where the soul tries to reach it's root " the I am " state with mystics experiences and all kind of manipulations. When the mystic has enough of the mystic twylight the " Maya " stuff and fear etc and vomit everything. He enters the " I am " state and become a sage. And Lives Transcendental Consciousness. You don't build a house starting from the third floor. You start with the fist, the second, the third, and if you have guts to become and spiritual Hero, With the grace of God , the grace of the Self. The Self brings you to the fourth. Don't think the Ego is capable of this!! He cannot!!! The grace of the Self brings you home. Ramana brings peoples home. Love, Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > " Dead man walking " lets walk a little faster then... Me: >WHERE is " deep down " ? You: ....in the center of the swirling debris... of identification... the mnemonic-reverberations...the temporal-hall-of mirrors... is an empty I... infinitely quiet... pristine... and forever one with the vastness.... " You " are saying that there exists some " debris " , which has a " center " , which contains " I " , which again contains " emptiness " . Those are quite a few things. Is this emptiness a kind of vacuum? In relation to what is it located " deep down " ? How did " you " get this information? Could you elaborate this? It would be great. Best wishes Stefan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: Toombaru said: > .....in the center of the swirling debris....of identification......the mnemonic-reverberations...the temporal-hall- of mirrors.....is an empty I...infinitely quiet....pristine...and forever one with the vastness.... > > > > t Alberto: The empty " I " that toombaru said above is the " I am " state. Absolutly wonderful and in your words It's just Consciousness man!! Gone for the day! Stefan where are you man? Guess you want to kill me too?!?! :0) Toombaru I understand you very well! You've touched it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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