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Fear is a prison for your mind. In each moment, you are perfectly

safe. In the next moment, you could be perfectly unsafe. What has the

intellect to say about the next moment? Quite a lot. What has our

emotions to say about the next moment? Ouite a many things. What has

pure logic to say about the next moment? Logic says that there is a

next moment in the form of thoughts and emotions. Logic also tells us

that other than as thoughts/emotions there is no next moment. If we

had robot minds operating with pure logic, then we could see that

fear is only an illusional state based on ideas about the next

moment. There is only a next moment as ideas. There is no solid next

moment. Solid reality is fearless according to sheer mechanical

logic. Then there is another kind of logic, a more human logic that

says: I have to make sure that I am protected in the future. " My body

must be protected in the future " " My image of myself must be

protected in the future " Why? Because I must do my best to make

myself happy. So we have one mechanical, almost mathematical logic,

that says that there never will be a next moment, and also another

logic that says that there will be a next moment. Without a next

moment there would never be any experience, the latter logic tells

us. The future is our only hope is the message given by this kind of

logic.

 

I think we have to integrate both kinds of logic into one logic. Yes,

there will be a next moment, and yes, that next moment we can predict

by extrapolating the past. Can this extrapolation be made without

creating fear? Maybe. Maybe not. That is something for you to find

out.

 

/AL

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I think we have to integrate both kinds of logic into one logic. Yes,

there will be a next moment, and yes, that next moment we can predict

by extrapolating the past. Can this extrapolation be made without

creating fear? Maybe. Maybe not. That is something for you to find

out.

 

 

 

^^Kip's concept: Every utterance is a defense-reaction (including

this one). The subject [ego] is a defense-shield. Subject and shield

are synonyms. Logic is a shield, a defense-mechanism, which has the

same dignity as every other form of subject[self,ego]protection.

Logic, no matter in what kind of disguise, will only make you go

round and round and round. Endlessly, until you die. There is no

other way, than to look through the mask [defense] which constitutes

the subject. The shadow and the subject are the same. A shadow will

never understand its shadow-giver[the register of the real]. No

insight will ever lead you to this. The amount of wasted words, the

chain of signifiers, grow proportionally to the amount of created

lack, nuturing unconscious, enhancing the gap, not inversely. This is

the meaning of desire.

 

There is no other way, no alternative, than to let the subject die

of " starvation " .

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> I think we have to integrate both kinds of logic into one logic.

Yes,

> there will be a next moment, and yes, that next moment we can

predict

> by extrapolating the past. Can this extrapolation be made without

> creating fear? Maybe. Maybe not. That is something for you to find

> out.

>

>

>

> ^^Kip's concept: Every utterance is a defense-reaction (including

> this one). The subject [ego] is a defense-shield. Subject and

shield

> are synonyms. Logic is a shield, a defense-mechanism, which has the

> same dignity as every other form of subject[self,ego]protection.

> Logic, no matter in what kind of disguise, will only make you go

> round and round and round. Endlessly, until you die. There is no

> other way, than to look through the mask [defense] which

constitutes

> the subject. The shadow and the subject are the same. A shadow will

> never understand its shadow-giver[the register of the real]. No

> insight will ever lead you to this. The amount of wasted words, the

> chain of signifiers, grow proportionally to the amount of created

> lack, nuturing unconscious, enhancing the gap, not inversely. This

is

> the meaning of desire.

>

> There is no other way, no alternative, than to let the subject die

> of " starvation " .

 

Wow. That's some impressive stuff you mention. Without the subject I

am gone. Surely you don't want me to go up in smoke. Will you?

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> Surely you don't want me to go up in smoke. Will you?

>

>

> ^^Kip: quite the opposite! You are now........smoke!

 

But I want to be a somebody!!!!!!!!!!

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> But I want to be a somebody!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

LOL!

 

 

Kip Almazy

 

 

P.S. Ouch! Nobody reads my links! Haven't you read " Who's afraid of

Jacques Lacan! " , and all the other crap I posted. Nobody but you, can

take away your " useless " fears. That easy. I'm just offering a few

pointers. Fear isn't bad nor good. " Useless " fears are just this,

useless.

 

You could, for a change, state clearly what it is, what you really

fear and, perhaps, get help from all of us.

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> > How terribly! Surely I must exist. Is not the past who I am?

>

>

> It's not a question of who you are but where you live!

>

>

> Kip Almazy

 

*************************************

 

I loved your postings! True and direct!

But I don't get this one above?

 

It's not a question of who you are but " where you live " !

 

Alberto,

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> > How terribly! Surely I must exist. Is not the past who I am?

>

>

> It's not a question of who you are but where you live!

>

 

I am who " I AM " .

 

I live in (or use ) this body to express my intentions.

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> > But I don't get this one above?

>

>

> ^^Kip: Exactly there! Never mind! See?

 

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Oh I think I understand? You could have put any word there!! " Where

do you live " you wanted to point out the " I am " state. Where the

words mean nothing! That must be it? if not, please reply! :0)

 

 

Alberto,

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> > But I want to be a somebody!!!!!!!!!!

>

>

> LOL!

>

>

> Kip Almazy

>

>

> P.S. Ouch! Nobody reads my links! Haven't you read " Who's afraid of

> Jacques Lacan! " , and all the other crap I posted. Nobody but you,

can

> take away your " useless " fears. That easy. I'm just offering a few

> pointers. Fear isn't bad nor good. " Useless " fears are just this,

> useless.

>

> You could, for a change, state clearly what it is, what you really

> fear and, perhaps, get help from all of us.

 

That, was, somewhat what I had in mind when posting the original

message. I said that to find whether you needed fear when predicting

the future is " up to you " . What I meant was: I see something here,

could some of you fellows help me see what it is?

 

This world is a fear-based world. Virtuall everybody lives and acts

from a cloud of fear. That's a fact. Just take a look at the friggin'

world at the moment. So much hatred. So much opposition. What is

hate? What is opposition? It's fear! Why do you think George W. Bush

says: Hunt the terrorists? It's fear that makes the US presindent say

something like that. It is the idea that the 'me' - in this case a

country as a 'me' - needs to be protected from some threat. We feel

we must protect our future 'me':s all the time. " My family must be

protected " " My money must be protected " " My country must be

protected " " My reputation must be protected " " My ideas must be

protected " - therefore we hate everything that can be interpreted as

a threat to ourselves which means our ideas about ourselves. We

are 'animals' living in a dog-eat-dog and you-scratch-my-back-and-I-

scratch-your-back world, driven by a constant doze of fear. And I am

not saying that this fear is not needed as a form of control. What I

am asking is if this type of control can be replaced by something a

little smarter.

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> " It is the nature of desire not to be satisfied, and most men live

> only for the gratification of it. "

>

> --Aristotle (384-322BC),

 

I believe there can be desire without fear. It's time for us to take

our power back from an ignorant, primitive social structure that

mechanically pulls our strings and pushes out emotional

(conditionally and genetically programmed) buttons. Are you a social

animal or are you human? (I am not asking you personally here Kip, I

am asking humanity as a whole)

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> > How terribly! Surely I must exist. Is not the past who I am?

>

>

> It's not a question of who you are but where you live!

>

>

> Kip Almazy

 

It's not a question of where we live, but how we live wherever we are.

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Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 "

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> I am who " I AM " .

>

> I live in (or use ) this body to express my intentions.

 

**************************************************

 

AAAAhhhhh! Finaly someone who understands!!!!!

I'm not feeling that this affirmation comes from your mind only!

Hemant, Where were you all this time? Are you a new member?

 

I'm sure we could learn a lot from you! :0)

 

Alberto,

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Dear Al,

 

 

 

This world is a fear-based world.

 

^^Kip: This is part of what the subject, Al, considers reality.

 

Virtuall everybody lives and acts from a cloud of fear.

 

^^Kip: It becomes now " virtual " , projecting it to everybody.

 

That's a fact.

 

^^Kip: Now again, reality and an " objective " form of reality.

 

Just take a look at the friggin'world at the moment.

 

^^Kip: I don´t know what you mean with " friggin " . Is the

world " friggin " there in Sweden or, are you talking about what you

see on " TV " .

 

So much hatred. So much opposition. What is hate? What is

opposition? It's fear!

 

^^Kip: Is it your problem or just an excuse for, so to say, feeling

bad by a good reason.

 

Why do you think George W. Bush says: Hunt the terrorists? It's fear

that makes the US presindent say something like that.

 

^^Kip: I gave it up to analyze the possible or unpossible

motivations of politicians. Bush has been voted president by a

mayority in a democratic country. I don´t know and I don´t care

about Mr. Bush´s motivations.

 

It is the idea that the 'me' - in this case a country as a 'me' -

needs to be protected from some threat. We feel we must protect our

future 'me':s all the time. " My family must be protected " " My money

must be protected " " My country must be protected " " My reputation

must be protected " " My ideas must be protected " - therefore we hate

everything that can be interpreted as a threat to ourselves which

means our ideas about ourselves.

 

 

^^Kip: Nothing wrong with a " common sense " protection. You have to

live, your family, too, I guess, everybody. When things start to

become " paranoic " it is, another question. I don´t think that you,

living in Sweden, have to worry about so much. You just can do, what

you can do. That´s all. The rest lies not in your hands.

 

We are 'animals' living in a dog-eat-dog and you-scratch-my-back-

and-I-scratch-your-back world, driven by a constant doze of fear.

 

 

^^Kip: You look too much TV. Look at the " close-by " world around you

Remember the small things. That´s what matters, not Mr.Bush.

 

 

And I am not saying that this fear is not needed as a form of

control. What I am asking is if this type of control can be replaced

by something a little smarter.

 

 

^^Kip: Yes, of course, you can get smarter.

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I believe there can be desire without fear. It's time for us to take

our power back from an ignorant, primitive social structure that

mechanically pulls our strings and pushes out emotional

(conditionally and genetically programmed) buttons. Are you a social

animal or are you human?

 

 

^^Kip: Do it! Be it! Be, what you always expected from the " others "

to be. Be enlightenement. Fake it, for a while, if you like and see

what happens. All these positive attributes you project, are

inherently yours. Practice what you preach. Be yourself....

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

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> Dear Al,

>

>

>

> This world is a fear-based world.

>

> ^^Kip: This is part of what the subject, Al, considers reality.

 

That's what I experience as reality, and what is _confirmed_ by the

world around me. There may be people that live in a fearless state,

that's possible, but what about the average man and woman in this

world? Well, jeeesus what a load of fear they/we live in.

 

>

> Virtuall everybody lives and acts from a cloud of fear.

>

> ^^Kip: It becomes now " virtual " , projecting it to everybody.

 

Virtually everybody, yes.

 

>

> That's a fact.

>

> ^^Kip: Now again, reality and an " objective " form of reality.

 

That's an obvious observation, both as a personal experience and also

as an observation of the common fear-based forces driving this world.

 

>

> Just take a look at the friggin'world at the moment.

>

> ^^Kip: I don´t know what you mean with " friggin " . Is the

> world " friggin " there in Sweden or, are you talking about what you

> see on " TV " .

 

Look at this friggin' world. This bloody violence. The hatred. The

fear. The world is boiling in fear. Can't you see it? Are you

standing in a fearless sphere looking at the horrors in the world?

The fear of what other people may think about you. The fear of losing

friends, loved ones, money, reputation, health... Need I go on?

 

>

> So much hatred. So much opposition. What is hate? What is

> opposition? It's fear!

>

> ^^Kip: Is it your problem or just an excuse for, so to say, feeling

> bad by a good reason.

 

My fear is my problem, but I am no island, so fear is a common

problem in the world.

 

>

> Why do you think George W. Bush says: Hunt the terrorists? It's

fear

> that makes the US presindent say something like that.

>

> ^^Kip: I gave it up to analyze the possible or unpossible

> motivations of politicians. Bush has been voted president by a

> mayority in a democratic country. I don´t know and I don´t care

> about Mr. Bush´s motivations.

 

It matters not what politician we take as an example. I am not saying

that politicians do something wrong. Probably the world is unfolding

as it should. What I am saying is that it is time for humanity to

look for something that is not fear-based. I may be wrong about this.

Maybe fear is the only controlling force there is and can be, but I

believe we must question the very situation we find ourselves in. If

people think it's ok to be guided by fear, the ok, that's none of my

business, but there may be another way of living.

 

>

> It is the idea that the 'me' - in this case a country as a 'me' -

> needs to be protected from some threat. We feel we must protect our

> future 'me':s all the time. " My family must be protected " " My

money

> must be protected " " My country must be protected " " My reputation

> must be protected " " My ideas must be protected " - therefore we

hate

> everything that can be interpreted as a threat to ourselves which

> means our ideas about ourselves.

>

>

> ^^Kip: Nothing wrong with a " common sense " protection. You have to

> live, your family, too, I guess, everybody. When things start to

> become " paranoic " it is, another question. I don´t think that you,

> living in Sweden, have to worry about so much. You just can do,

what

> you can do. That´s all. The rest lies not in your hands.

 

The " common sense " protection is a programmed belief-system that may

be the only control-structure there is, but I question this whole

need for protection.

 

>

> We are 'animals' living in a dog-eat-dog and you-scratch-my-back-

> and-I-scratch-your-back world, driven by a constant doze of fear.

>

>

> ^^Kip: You look too much TV. Look at the " close-by " world around

you

> Remember the small things. That´s what matters, not Mr.Bush.

 

The money on my bank account and Mr Bush are not separate. The world

is one interrelated web. Fear is running the show today for most

people (including me), but will it be that way always?

 

>

>

> And I am not saying that this fear is not needed as a form of

> control. What I am asking is if this type of control can be

replaced

> by something a little smarter.

>

>

> ^^Kip: Yes, of course, you can get smarter.

 

Fear is to suffer. We often don't recognize how manipulated we are.

We are what genetic structures and social conditionings tell us to

be. We are robots! Slaves! We don't even see the prison we live in.

We are blinded by the belief that this conditioning is who we are.

Maybe we can never be anything but robots, but I for one will do my

best to get out of this horrible 'push-my-fear-buttons' cage.

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

wrote:

>

> I believe there can be desire without fear. It's time for us to

take

> our power back from an ignorant, primitive social structure that

> mechanically pulls our strings and pushes out emotional

> (conditionally and genetically programmed) buttons. Are you a

social

> animal or are you human?

>

>

> ^^Kip: Do it! Be it! Be, what you always expected from the " others "

> to be. Be enlightenement. Fake it, for a while, if you like and see

> what happens. All these positive attributes you project, are

> inherently yours. Practice what you preach. Be yourself....

 

It's probably easier to walk on water than to escape this 'consensus

reality' we are trapped in. But maybe it can be done! :-)

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman>

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy>

> wrote:

> >

> > I believe there can be desire without fear. It's time for us to

> take

> > our power back from an ignorant, primitive social structure that

> > mechanically pulls our strings and pushes out emotional

> > (conditionally and genetically programmed) buttons. Are you a

> social

> > animal or are you human?

> >

> >

> > ^^Kip: Do it! Be it! Be, what you always expected from the " others "

> > to be. Be enlightenement. Fake it, for a while, if you like and see

> > what happens. All these positive attributes you project, are

> > inherently yours. Practice what you preach. Be yourself....

>

> It's probably easier to walk on water than to escape this 'consensus

> reality' we are trapped in. But maybe it can be done! :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

No......it can't.

 

Identificatiion is born....conjoined with fear......

 

 

 

 

t.

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Dear Al,

 

 

This world is a fear-based world.

 

^^Kip: This is part of what the subject, Al, considers reality.

 

That's what I experience as reality, and what is _confirmed_ by the

world around me.

 

Kip: Sorry, I can't confirm your perceptions. You might rethink the

environment you live in and, if it is OK for you. Sometimes there is

no other possibility than to leave.

 

 

There may be people that live in a fearless state, that's possible,

but what about the average man and woman in this world? Well,

jeeesus what a load of fear they/we live in.

 

Kip: What do you mean with " fearless state " ? I really don't see such

a load of fear, at least, not in Europe. There are good social

systems. Persons, which perhaps are not, as good as it could be

covered, are elderly people living in secluded places, psychotics

and drug abusers.

 

Virtuall everybody lives and acts from a cloud of fear.

 

^^Kip: It becomes now " virtual " , projecting it to everybody.

 

Virtually everybody, yes.

 

That's a fact.

 

Kip: That's " your " fact! Your projection.

 

^^Kip: Now again, reality and an " objective " form of reality.

 

That's an obvious observation, both as a personal experience and

also as an observation of the common fear-based forces driving this

world.

 

Kip: That's your observation. Your perception. I see very much

courage, esprit, confidence and selflessness, in short, adulthood,

too.

 

Just take a look at the friggin'world at the moment.

 

^^Kip: I don´t know what you mean with " friggin " . Is the

world " friggin " there in Sweden or, are you talking about what you

see on " TV " .

 

Look at this friggin' world. This bloody violence. The hatred. The

fear. The world is boiling in fear. Can't you see it? Are you

standing in a fearless sphere looking at the horrors in the world?

The fear of what other people may think about you. The fear of

losing friends, loved ones, money, reputation, health... Need I go

on?

 

 

Kip: Don't buy the newspapers for a while, through your tv out of

the window (kidding), and make a personal boykott concerning US-

american filmproductions. Then, tell me how much fear you see.

 

BTW, if you do your things right, the way you can sleep well at

night, you will not have much to fear!!!

 

 

So much hatred. So much opposition. What is hate? What is

opposition? It's fear!

 

^^Kip: Is it your problem or just an excuse for, so to say, feeling

bad by a good reason.

 

My fear is my problem, but I am no island, so fear is a common

problem in the world.

 

Kip: Yes, that's right, nobody is an island. Fear, to not be able to

get enough food or money to live, sufficient healthcare, the

elementary things. Fear about for example reputation, for example,

is a stupid thing as well as fear of losing the love-ones and

friends. Think about, why you fear these things.

 

 

[...]

 

 

It matters not what politician we take as an example. I am not

saying that politicians do something wrong. Probably the world is

unfolding as it should.

 

 

Kip: You are not in the position to judge the unfolding of the

world. Me, neither.

 

 

What I am saying is that it is time for humanity to look for

something that is not fear-based. I may be wrong about this.

 

 

Kip: Make politics! Make a difference! Tell the people your truths.

 

Maybe fear is the only controlling force there is and can be, but I

believe we must question the very situation we find ourselves in.

 

Kip: Exactly!

 

If people think it's ok to be guided by fear, the ok, that's none of

my business, but there may be another way of living.

 

Kip: Sure, there is. I'm living now, better since two months,

a " situation " . I try to do my best. I meditate before I make a

decision. If it goes wrong, OK, I did what I could.

 

It is the idea that the 'me' - in this case a country as a 'me' -

needs to be protected from some threat. We feel we must protect our

future 'me':s all the time. " My family must be protected " " My

money must be protected " " My country must be protected " " My

reputation must be protected " " My ideas must be protected " -

therefore we hate everything that can be interpreted as a threat to

ourselves which means our ideas about ourselves.

 

Kip: Sure, that happens. But, it isn't my business. I can try to do

my best in my close-by environment. Small steps. Small things.

That's enough. To ease. To give. To comfort. To help. In short, to

serve. That's all. What the heck should I care about the cold sweat

of some bastards. They will get sooner or later what they deserve.

 

 

 

^^Kip: Nothing wrong with a " common sense " protection. You have to

live, your family, too, I guess, everybody. When things start to

become " paranoic " it is, another question. I don´t think that you,

living in Sweden, have to worry about so much. You just can do,

what you can do. That´s all. The rest lies not in your hands.

 

 

The " common sense " protection is a programmed belief-system that may

be the only control-structure there is, but I question this whole

need for protection.

 

 

Kip: Has the house, in which you live, a ligthening conductor?

That's what I'm talking about. Don't buy a car without brakes! If

you own something big, if you " have money " , you will have to protect

it, otherwise you will loose it. That's it. Egoism creates fear.

Fear, to loose, what you believe, you posses. That what you protect,

is that what actually posseses you, that's true. Minimize the field

you have to protect or accept the fear.

 

 

 

We are 'animals' living in a dog-eat-dog and you-scratch-my-back-

and-I-scratch-your-back world, driven by a constant doze of fear.

 

 

^^Kip: You look too much TV. Look at the " close-by " world around

you Remember the small things. That´s what matters, not Mr.Bush.

 

The money on my bank account and Mr Bush are not separate. The world

is one interrelated web. Fear is running the show today for most

people (including me), but will it be that way always?

 

Kip: You decide. Money is important, to have a warm house, food and

clothes. A job is important. To be healthy. Stable social and

familiar relations. The whole propanda-machinery is telling you what

you need, what you have to have. But, meditate a while on what you

really need. It's actually not so much. The american dream is the

shadow of a stinky fart. Make a trip to Africa!

 

 

And I am not saying that this fear is not needed as a form of

control. What I am asking is if this type of control can be

replaced by something a little smarter.

 

 

^^Kip: Yes, of course, you can get smarter.

 

Fear is to suffer. We often don't recognize how manipulated we are.

We are what genetic structures and social conditionings tell us to

be.

 

Kip: Subjects, yes. Do not identify yourself with the subject you

created on your own countenance. It isn't your countenance. You

don't posses it. You don't need to protect that. That's what

the " sages " are telling.

 

 

We are robots! Slaves! We don't even see the prison we live in.

We are blinded by the belief that this conditioning is who we are.

Maybe we can never be anything but robots, but I for one will do my

best to get out of this horrible 'push-my-fear-buttons' cage.

 

 

Kip: Again, read my " Who's afraid of Jacques Lacan " -thingy. Your are

much more, that what you think you are......you are beyond concepts.

 

 

 

Gassho

Kip Almazy

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If a man is crossing a river

And an empy boat collides with his own skiff,

Even though he be a bad tempered man

He will not become very angry.

But if he sees a man in the boat,

He will shout at him to steer clear.

If that shout is not heard, he will shout again,

And yet again, and begin cursing.

And all because there is somebody in the boat.

Yet if the boat were empty,

He would not be shouting, and not angry.

 

If you can empty your own boat

Crossing the river of the world,

No one will oppose you,

No one will seek to harm you.

 

 

--Chuang Tzu

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