Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Oopla Alberto, Your position is the " I am " state, are you really sure ? If yes: Gratulation ! How does it feel and what will you do with it now ? Maybe you can sell me some piece of it ? Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Ok. ok Alberto, > > > > I got it that you are a funny guy, but now tell me what is your > > position ? > > > > Werner > > > ************************************************************ > > > Ok, fine! no problem! > > This is my position: and you describt my position very well! see > below: > > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:56 pm > Re: New!! > > > > Hi James, > > This " I am " just means " I am, but not this and not that " . In other > words it is without any attributes. It is very simple. It is your > pure being stipped of any qualities you could name. > > And you cannot attach to the I am because you ARE that " I am " > already. > > Werner > > Alberto: this is my position. " I am " state. I'm not joking. > Now, where is you position? Why are you not yet there? :0) > Read yourself above? > The toombaru man was there! " I am " state then he comes back to play > with the old stuff. Mystic halls and mirrors etc. > > Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Oopla Alberto, > > Your position is the " I am " state, are you really sure ? If yes: > Gratulation ! How does it feel and what will you do with it now ? > Maybe you can sell me some piece of it ? > > Werner *********************************************************** Alberto; Ok, but first I want a huge a really huge chocolat medal so I can put it on my neck and eat it when I want! :0) lol Reality is not very far you see! Read yourself below again and again! > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > >> > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:56 pm > > Re: New!! > > > > Hi James, > > > > This " I am " just means " I am, but not this and not that " . In other > > words it is without any attributes. It is very simple. It is your > > pure being stipped of any qualities you could name. > > > > And you cannot attach to the I am because you ARE that " I am " > > already. > > > > Werner > > > >What do you not understand in what you, yourself wrote above??? Maybe I can help you see something! who knows? Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Ok Alberto, Not to misunderstand me, I know what I wrote and I stick to it but what Pete wrote, that it is consciousness arising when waking up, is much better and more simple. Yeah ... Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Oopla Alberto, > > > > Your position is the " I am " state, are you really sure ? If yes: > > Gratulation ! How does it feel and what will you do with it now ? > > Maybe you can sell me some piece of it ? > > > > Werner > > *********************************************************** > > Alberto; Ok, but first I want a huge a really huge chocolat medal so > I can put it on my neck and eat it when I want! :0) lol > > Reality is not very far you see! Read yourself below again and again! > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " > > <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@p...> > > > wrote: > > > >> > " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > > Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:56 pm > > > Re: New!! > > > > > > Hi James, > > > > > > This " I am " just means " I am, but not this and not that " . In > other > > > words it is without any attributes. It is very simple. It is your > > > pure being stipped of any qualities you could name. > > > > > > And you cannot attach to the I am because you ARE that " I am " > > > already. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > >What do you not understand in what you, yourself wrote above??? > Maybe I can help you see something! who knows? > > Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Ok Alberto, > > Not to misunderstand me, I know what I wrote and I stick to it but > what Pete wrote, that it is consciousness arising when waking up, is much better and more simple. Yeah ... > > Werner ******************************************************** Alberto, What do you mean: I know what I wrote? Mentaly or you " Know " and I stick to it? you meant I prefer Petes words than mine? It is important to know what do you mean! Someone who never worked for a living. that says to work is hard! Has no clue what he is talking about! One who worked like a beast and says to work is hard!!! has understood what is to work! See. So, when you write to me I know what I wrote, to me it sounds a ring. Maybe he knew it after all? and then you say Petes words are much more simple. It can be intellectualy again. But if Pete tells me that his words a better explained than yours I would say, yes. I thinks so! Because the guy is not in the brain. Maybe you are fouling me because you already understand? if not well I will try to help you see then!! :0) Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Alberto, It seems that I am fouling you but how can I explain something to you which I don't understand ? Pete wrote that the " I am " is counsciousness arising when waking up. And I like his words because such a thing as consciousness doesn't exist. I really would love to help you but I even can't help myself. Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Ok Alberto, > > > > Not to misunderstand me, I know what I wrote and I stick to it but > > what Pete wrote, that it is consciousness arising when waking up, > is much better and more simple. Yeah ... > > > > Werner > ******************************************************** > > Alberto, > > What do you mean: I know what I wrote? Mentaly or you " Know " and I > stick to it? you meant I prefer Petes words than mine? > > It is important to know what do you mean! > > Someone who never worked for a living. that says to work is hard! > Has no clue what he is talking about! One who worked like a beast > and says to work is hard!!! has understood what is to work! See. > > So, when you write to me I know what I wrote, to me it sounds a > ring. Maybe he knew it after all? and then you say Petes words are > much more simple. It can be intellectualy again. But if Pete tells > me that his words a better explained than yours I would say, yes. I > thinks so! Because the guy is not in the brain. > > Maybe you are fouling me because you already understand? if not well > I will try to help you see then!! :0) > > Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Alberto, > > It seems that I am fouling you but how can I explain something to you > which I don't understand ? > > Pete wrote that the " I am " is counsciousness arising when waking up. > And I like his words because such a thing as consciousness doesn't > exist. > > I really would love to help you but I even can't help myself. > > Werner > > ********************************* Ok! Now I see you better! from there we can start. Pete is a wise man. But you are not a wise man yet! You need to investigate yourself and ask yourself a question. What do I want? If the answer is " I like to talk about spiritual things " ! That is ok. That is fine, you will remain in your toughts, in your head thinking that is all there is! Most the human being do that. They get up, eat, go to work, take grugs, fell ill and die. Just the step above the animals, see! Are you an animal or a human being? You are not an animal. So you can use the lowest part of your being and understanding or you can start to try to understand the whole thing, Life. Then when you see that everything is destined to die, and changing you ask yourself is that all there is. I am just a body that will die!! The buddha said the same thing to himself " that is why " he started his sadhana. People think he was already a buddha, no, He didn't understand Life! He was just like you now!!! and he beggan his search. Like an unwise man. he tried several religions, rituals, etc. and the guy wasn't satisfied. He wanted somthing else. Until he became the buddha, " the Awaken " some say that he didn't awake! That he understood that there is nothing to understand!! see! It is the same! He awoke! So, what do you need and what do you want; Where are you in your sadhana, your search and what have you learn yet! Isn't you that experienced that you are not alive? Mystic experience? Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Hi Alberto, Again some misunderstanding. When I told you I cannot explain what I don't understand it was not meant as an invitation now to explain to me what you don't understand. In addition I have some problems with the word " above " . You mentioned humans to be above animals. Do you feel any need to place yourself above animals ? I think you are not a vegetarian, right ? Werner Nisargadatta , " ilikezen2004 " <ilikezen2004> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Alberto, > > > > It seems that I am fouling you but how can I explain something to > you > > which I don't understand ? > > > > Pete wrote that the " I am " is counsciousness arising when waking > up. > > And I like his words because such a thing as consciousness doesn't > > exist. > > > > I really would love to help you but I even can't help myself. > > > > Werner > > > > ********************************* > > Ok! Now I see you better! from there we can start. > Pete is a wise man. But you are not a wise man yet! > > You need to investigate yourself and ask yourself a question. > What do I want? If the answer is " I like to talk about spiritual > things " ! That is ok. That is fine, you will remain in your toughts, > in your head thinking that is all there is! Most the human being do > that. They get up, eat, go to work, take grugs, fell ill and die. > Just the step above the animals, see! Are you an animal or a human > being? You are not an animal. So you can use the lowest part of your > being and understanding or you can start to try to understand the > whole thing, Life. > > Then when you see that everything is destined to die, and changing > you ask yourself is that all there is. I am just a body that will > die!! The buddha said the same thing to himself " that is why " he > started his sadhana. People think he was already a buddha, no, He > didn't understand Life! He was just like you now!!! and he beggan > his search. Like an unwise man. he tried several religions, rituals, > etc. and the guy wasn't satisfied. He wanted somthing else. Until he > became the buddha, " the Awaken " some say that he didn't awake! That > he understood that there is nothing to understand!! see! It is the > same! He awoke! > > So, what do you need and what do you want; > > Where are you in your sadhana, your search and what have you learn > yet! > > Isn't you that experienced that you are not alive? Mystic experience? > > Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > > Again some misunderstanding. When I told you I cannot explain what I > don't understand it was not meant as an invitation now to explain to > me what you don't understand. > > In addition I have some problems with the word " above " . You mentioned > humans to be above animals. Do you feel any need to place yourself > above animals ? I think you are not a vegetarian, right ? > > Werner > > ************************************** I was vegetarian, now I eat meat! I tought you wanted some answers. ( misunderstanding again ) ooohhh. Don't ask me question again young man. You are too proud. We sell vegeterian food ! Who wants to eat vegeterian food! Damed I tought, I was in a furum where we ask questions and we are looking for answers!!! You idiot Alberto!! :0) Good for me! Treat a human being as a human being and he barks at you!!! What a world hein! See you around werner! > Alberto, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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