Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > > > When an invisible man looks in a mirror, > > he sees nothing but the mirror. > > > Ok....I'm having a little trouble with this invisible man anology......Normally....in order to induce interest.....it is good to use something real to contrast with something unreal...... by combining two unreals.....the entity and his invisibility .....the whole thing gets a little weak. > > > The mirror.....needs some thing to reflect.....or......there is no mirror. > I liked it because it reminded me of Ramana's projector analog --the mirror or screen... " But these images can't exist without the screen. Only the screen is for real. " from: " Everything emerges out of Pure Consciousness. We are born when from this Pure Consciousness a little spark shines forth. This spark is the 'I-thought' that was conceived in Consciousness. Out of the 'I-thought' all other thoughts rise up: Pure Consciousness > the 'I-thought' the variety of thoughts emerging from the 'I' But only the first Source can considered to be real. All other thoughts that manifest in the mind-body structure are unreal, for they are for ever changing and fleeting. The 'I-thought' was born and itself and all that is born of it will die again. So it is not real. It is like a dream that starts and vanishes again. It has no everlasting being. Only our Source is real, for It is and will remain always. Now the Upanishads and Ramana say: Tattwamasi, you are That. You are this Source, this Pure Consciousness It is not only the substratum of your existence, no, you are that. You are your own very Self. To think you are the non-Self is the great illusion and from it stems all unhappiness. So you are not your body, at least not primarily. The same with your thoughts, feelings and sensual impressions. You have them, but you aren't them. As an illustration Ramana tells us to compare our situation with spectators at a cinema show (did he know about Plato's allegory of the Cave?). We are looking at images projected on a white screen and deeming them for real. These images exhilarate or depress us. We think that they are part of our life. We are drawn into the illusion, so to speak, to such an extent that we do not see the light anymore coming from the projector All the time the white screen also can be seen if we alter the Gestalt of our vision, but we simply loose sight of it. To us only the images on the screen are for real. The projector is the 'I-thought'. With its light it is sending all kinds of thoughts and feelings to our mind. We deem them for real. We tend to identify our self with these images. But these images can't exist without the screen. Only the screen is for real. Because it never changes and is always the same. It receives every kind of image, be it good or bad. It is amoral. It only gives life to the cinema show. The screen always remains pure and white. It is never affected by what it receives. It never gets stained. All the violence of all the cheap movies never affects the screen When the light of the projector dies out ..... Well, there is the screen again. The screen is the Self. " > I must be missing something here..... > > > > > Yet, he > > is there as an unseen presence. In the > > morning, as your brain wakes up, the mirror > > of consciousness reflects nothing, and yet, > > a presence is there, lurking unseen before > > thoughts come to cloud the glass. > > > > > Do you propose that " presence " is somehow beyond the entity...but yet able to be experienced by the entity? > > > > 'You,' > > are that presence, and if the presence is > > felt by the presence, it will expand, > > and swallow the world. > > I sorry Pete.... but this sounds more like science fiction movie then a picture of reality. > > .....something bigger then the dream.....expanding and swallowing the dream.... > > > No titles stick to > > that, neither God, nor Self, nor I am. > > It's what it is, beyond consciousness, > > beyond life, and beyond death. Of it, never > > say, that it exist; nor that it does not exists. > > > > Ok.......I'll never say that....... > > > > You know......I'll bet I'm missing something that you were trying to say........ > > > > > toombaru Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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