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Namaste,

 

I have set up a site at advaitajnana

 

It isn't advertised and it is unmoderated. This is to avoid any

upsetting of some Bhaktas.............ONS..Tony.

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Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery>

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I have set up a site at advaitajnana

>

> It isn't advertised and it is unmoderated. This is to avoid any

> upsetting of some Bhaktas.............ONS..Tony.

 

e. ah those bhaktas, can't live with them, can't live without them,

i just wrote something to them on Greg's NoPhi, ... there, i'll get

it for you (i'll go check you group Tony Ons):

" for me i have no conclusions on this matter and nothing to impart to

no one, only i'd like to address the detractors of nonduality who

say that it denies the need for guru or sadhana.

this would be attributing to advaita a conclusion that it does not

allow to itself, considering that advaita is it's own detractor,

it's worse judge and it's keener critique ...

Devotional people take it badly when you attack their faith

but 'inquirers of the naked truth' welcome you to critique and

question the foundation of their approach because you are just

helping them in what they endeavor nonstop.

to the question

is a master needed?

what sadhana should i take on?

advaita denies an answer here and questions the question, asks to

look into the drive that leads me to ask, to want, the lack, ... the

insecurity of loneliness or fear in the face of decay, death, loss

of control.

In this process, a bhakta (devotional person) is turned back inside

at the moment of his external tension to the Lord, his Master, and

deprived of a practice that clearly bears a name and a procedure...

this is all a matter of naming .. this is why the verb is so

liberating, this is why in the human exchange and in the test of

words and questions you find catalyzing powers that free you from

ties.

A matter of naming because the Master that asks for a name and

status is suspected of being a master only in that (name, status)

and a practice in name because a name bears a procedure, that

contains a routine, that puts the best energy to sleep or invests it

in more name and prestige.

What we are investigating here is the sense of longing, and this

desire is well illustrated when your dear ones are out for the

weekend and you are alone at home ... there is clearly a branch

where you can:

either 'sleep on the matter' and let yourself be carried by thoughts

of " i feel lonely as a dog " ;

or say " why is this longing " , " how deep is it? " " What is the object

of a longing " ...

And in this same way the need for a teacher or a practice is

questioned instead of letting a drive for devotion rush me to the

next question:

How can i find the BEST teacher/practice?

Advaita works at the fork and is not interested in answers, without

denying the existence of masters and practices.

(i don't think i emitted any opinion in the above nor taught

anything, it was all a question) "