Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 We can never really be sure that the beliefs that we have accumulated over the years about things immaterial are true. The only way that they can be tested....is by throwing them our for the scrutiny of others..let them flip-flop in the sunlight a little...and wait for a response. When they are received with kindness and praise.....it makes us feel good...we form a new survival alliance...and....we are re-assured that we are indeed on the right train......and at least have a resonable chance of arriving home in time..... But......when they are received with criticism...or doubt...a whole different dynamic occurs. A " for-me of against-me " stance is assumed.....and the criticism is interpreted as an attack. Blood rushes from the brain to prepare the body for battle.....weapons are drawn.... shields are hoisted...... **************************************** The pernicious self always equates any criticism of its beliefs as an attack....which it actually is.. The totality of the supposed self in not other then its beliefs about reality...the self referential mirror.....the perceptual milieu in which it floats. When an " outsider " questions its beliefs....he is considered to be a mortal threat.....and has to be dealt with. The odd thing is that.... even once this wiring is discovered......there is no way to avoid its influence.....it developed over the last 100 million years...and will not be denied. If you think you have control over it.....just wait until someone criticizes your beliefs....or even worse...makes fun of them....... .....something.........deep.....and dark....some thing primal....some toothy-thing.......stirs in its slumber...opens its I-s...and wants somebody's blood...... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 e. Toomy i'm happy to find you back after months (i saw some of you on Sandeep's though); some French words caught my attention so i read; i spent months reading between your dots at NDS, this time on Niz i'll read all you messages with care, ... but the dots only, this time considering your words as the marvellous case of those gems. Nobody, not even the rain, can produce such nice dots on the pavement. EE Cummings (1903-1960) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > We can never really be sure that the beliefs that we have accumulated over the years about things immaterial are true. > > The only way that they can be tested....is by throwing them our for the scrutiny of others..let them flip-flop in the sunlight a little...and wait for a response. > > When they are received with kindness and praise.....it makes us feel good...we form a new survival alliance...and....we are re- assured that we are indeed on the right train......and at least have a resonable chance of arriving home in time..... > > But......when they are received with criticism...or doubt...a whole different dynamic occurs. > > A " for-me of against-me " stance is assumed.....and the criticism is interpreted as an attack. > > Blood rushes from the brain to prepare the body for battle.....weapons are drawn.... shields are hoisted...... > > > **************************************** > > The pernicious self always equates any criticism of its beliefs as an attack....which it actually is.. > > The totality of the supposed self in not other then its beliefs about reality...the self referential mirror.....the perceptual milieu in which it floats. > > When an " outsider " questions its beliefs....he is considered to be a mortal threat.....and has to be dealt with. > > The odd thing is that.... even once this wiring is discovered......there is no way to avoid its influence.....it developed over the last 100 million years...and will not be denied. > > If you think you have control over it.....just wait until someone criticizes your beliefs....or even worse...makes fun of them....... > > > .....something.........deep.....and dark....some thing primal....some toothy-thing.......stirs in its slumber...opens its I- s...and wants somebody's blood...... > > > > > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 buon giorno, toomy, <<We can never really be sure that the beliefs that we have accumulated over the years about things immaterial are true. The only way that they can be tested....is by throwing them out for the scrutiny of others..let them flip-flop in the sunlight a little...and wait for a response.>> f: Some schizophrenics may automatically default the step of throwing the fish out of the boat for scrutiny of " others " , ever since the embedded system of internal magnetic resonance imaging was activated. <<When they are received with kindness and praise.....it makes us feel good...we form a new survival alliance...and....we are re-assured that we are indeed on the right train......and at least have a resonable chance of arriving home in time..... But......when they are received with criticism...or doubt...a whole different dynamic occurs. A " for-me or against-me " stance is assumed.....and the criticism is interpreted as an attack. Blood rushes from the brain to prepare the body for battle.....weapons are drawn.... shields are hoisted...... **************************************** The pernicious self always equates any criticism of its beliefs as an attack....which it actually is.. The totality of the supposed self in not other then its beliefs about reality...the self referential mirror.....the perceptual milieu in which it floats. When an " outsider " questions its beliefs....he is considered to be a mortal threat.....and has to be dealt with.>> f: Reacting to praise/flattery because it affects its own self-image, puts it in a 'better' light, probably increases serotonin production, and the other side of the coin, feeling attacked/threatened, are both arising from the same assumption -- a personal psychology centered around and along the lines of surviving well, incl, being a champion of the Enlightenment Olympics, with a Golf Medal Realization, as opposed to not surviving so well, being destroyed, having a hard life, not having things go your way, being a loser, or having to come back as an ant or a neocon. <<The odd thing is that.... even once this wiring is discovered......there is no way to avoid its influence.....it developed over the last 100 million years...and will not be denied. If you think you have control over it.....just wait until someone criticizes your beliefs....or even worse...makes fun of them....... ......something.........deep.....and dark....some thing primal....some toothy-thing.......stirs in its slumber...opens its I-s...and wants somebody's blood......>> toombaru f:.......Either this impulse is seen for what it is or it isn't.. " sticks and stones may break my bones, but names, beliefs criticized or praised or made fun of, can never affect true nature one way of another " is it true? :-) ~freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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