Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 On the ancient plains of Gurudom nothing new happened for over 2,000 years. That is, until in 1998 Jerry Katz and a few other pioneers started NonDuality Salon. At that point, the collective digital Guru was born. Soon after, spiritual lists started proliferating. Jerry has moved away from this concept, NDS is no longer a collective guru. But that is okay, his job is done, the concept is alive and well. The digital collective guru is not one voice, one enlightened man or woman, but it is a chorus of voices. No voice is more significant than another. It is like listening to monks singing a Gregorian chant, or listening to Tibetans monks chanting. If, when listening to chanting, you pick a voice and follow it thinking it is the best voice, you will miss the grandeur of the whole ensemble. It's the combined wisdom of the group or list, which emerges not in one day, but over the course of weeks, or months that deconstruct our ideas about ourselves and reality. Sometimes is even helpful to belong to several lists because there are beautiful voices that sing at different lists. Greg Goodel and Joyce Short do not post at Nisargadatta, but could be read at advaitatozen or Nondual Philosophy. Bill Richel moves among several lists as the spirit moves him. Sarlo posts at Gururating and several wise female voices that are seldom heard elsewhere post there. These are only, a few examples of many great voices. The collective Guru is in its infancy, but already and effective tool of liberation. Whether you just want to read the insights and experiences of others, or are ready to share and test your own in dharma combat, this is the place to safely do it, the only thing at risk is your idea of yourself, your pet beliefs, and of course, your ego. These lists are the future of liberation. They will grow into an awesome collective Buddha safe from the temptations of sex, money, and personal worship to which blood and flesh teachers so often succumb.Best of all. they are accesible to anyone with an internet connection. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Cyberpete, a collective cannot be a Guru. Why are you so much afraid of REAL people? To find a master is the first step for every serious seeker. Who thinks he can leave this step out is still a little boy, playing to be an adult. Only a living individual can blossom to a rare flower and then eventually become a master. When you fall to his feet because you feel he is your last chance: then you have a chance. Until that moment... go on playing your laughable Computer-Guru-Game. Have fun with your brain... which fascinates you soooo much!!! S. Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > On the ancient plains of Gurudom nothing new happened > for over 2,000 years. That is, until in 1998 Jerry Katz and a few > other pioneers started NonDuality Salon. At that point, the > collective digital Guru was born. Soon after, spiritual lists > started proliferating. Jerry has moved away from this concept, > NDS is no longer a collective guru. But that is okay, his job > is done, the concept is alive and well. > > The digital collective guru is not one voice, one enlightened > man or woman, but it is a chorus of voices. No voice is more > significant than another. It is like listening to monks singing > a Gregorian chant, or listening to Tibetans monks chanting. > If, when listening to chanting, you pick a voice and follow it > thinking it is the best voice, you will miss the grandeur of > the whole ensemble. > > It's the combined wisdom of the group or list, which emerges > not in one day, but over the course of weeks, or months that > deconstruct our ideas about ourselves and reality. Sometimes > is even helpful to belong to several lists because there are > beautiful voices that sing at different lists. Greg Goodel and > Joyce Short do not post at Nisargadatta, but could be > read at advaitatozen or Nondual Philosophy. Bill Richel > moves among several lists as the spirit moves him. Sarlo > posts at Gururating and several wise female voices that > are seldom heard elsewhere post there. These are only, a > few examples of many great voices. > > The collective Guru is in its infancy, but already and > effective tool of liberation. Whether you just want to > read the insights and experiences of others, or are ready > to share and test your own in dharma combat, this is > the place to safely do it, the only thing at risk is your > idea of yourself, your pet beliefs, and of course, your ego. > > These lists are the future of liberation. They will grow > into an awesome collective Buddha safe from the > temptations of sex, money, and personal worship to > which blood and flesh teachers so often succumb.Best > of all. they are accesible to anyone with an internet > connection. > > Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Why are you so much afraid of REAL people? Very good question, magic-one! Why do you think is that so? rgds Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > >>Why are you so much afraid of REAL people? > > >Very good question, magic-one! Why do you think is that so? Kip, everybody has to find this out fore oneself. What I think is not of much help. Simply in case of fear it can be helpful to ask " why " . And I dont think this is a very special question... very common. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: Why are you so much afraid of REAL people? What I think is not of much help. Simply in case of fear it can be helpful to ask " why " . And I dont think this is a very special question... very common. Kip: If it is so common, why do you think that what you think couldn´t be of much help. Why do you think that this question has to be answered by one self? Your question, above, actually, implies that you know the motivations of others and your statemat, that it is a very common issue, implies, that you have some experiences on this matter. Do we have suddenly taboo-questions here? So, we can talk about all, including God and the universe but, the fear-thingy above has to be managed by everyone personally, despite that fact, that it is a common issue. The use of " you " there in the question, is it meant as singular or plural? Are you asking Pete or everyone on this board? Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > On the ancient plains of Gurudom nothing new happened > for over 2,000 years. That is, until in 1998 Jerry Katz and a few > other pioneers started NonDuality Salon. At that point, the > collective digital Guru was born. Soon after, spiritual lists > started proliferating. Jerry has moved away from this concept, > NDS is no longer a collective guru. But that is okay, his job > is done, the concept is alive and well. > > The digital collective guru is not one voice, one enlightened > man or woman, but it is a chorus of voices. No voice is more > significant than another. It is like listening to monks singing > a Gregorian chant, or listening to Tibetans monks chanting. > If, when listening to chanting, you pick a voice and follow it > thinking it is the best voice, you will miss the grandeur of > the whole ensemble. > > It's the combined wisdom of the group or list, which emerges > not in one day, but over the course of weeks, or months that > deconstruct our ideas about ourselves and reality. Sometimes > is even helpful to belong to several lists because there are > beautiful voices that sing at different lists. Greg Goodel and > Joyce Short do not post at Nisargadatta, but could be > read at advaitatozen or Nondual Philosophy. Bill Richel > moves among several lists as the spirit moves him. Sarlo > posts at Gururating and several wise female voices that > are seldom heard elsewhere post there. These are only, a > few examples of many great voices. > > The collective Guru is in its infancy, but already and > effective tool of liberation. Whether you just want to > read the insights and experiences of others, or are ready > to share and test your own in dharma combat, this is > the place to safely do it, the only thing at risk is your > idea of yourself, your pet beliefs, and of course, your ego. > > These lists are the future of liberation. They will grow > into an awesome collective Buddha safe from the > temptations of sex, money, and personal worship to > which blood and flesh teachers so often succumb.Best > of all. they are accesible to anyone with an internet > connection. > > Pete I think this is an interesting observation. Society is a web, and the Internet is an advancement of how the collective human 'mind' operates which gives rise to new forms of structures with a complexity that is greater than what has previously been reached in human history. This 'meta' guru does not replace personal gurus, but embraces them and forms a new kind of structure from which insights can come that previously were not possible to reach. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Internet is a little speck against the backdrop of the huge body of the Supreme Lord. It is unlikely to touch a soul unless several pre-conditions come to exist. Dr Paraki www.chhindia.net --- anders_lindman <anders_lindman wrote: Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > On the ancient plains of Gurudom nothing new happened > for over 2,000 years. That is, until in 1998 Jerry Katz and a few > other pioneers started NonDuality Salon. At that point, the > collective digital Guru was born. Soon after, spiritual lists > started proliferating. Jerry has moved away from this concept, > NDS is no longer a collective guru. But that is okay, his job > is done, the concept is alive and well. > > The digital collective guru is not one voice, one enlightened > man or woman, but it is a chorus of voices. No voice is more > significant than another. It is like listening to monks singing > a Gregorian chant, or listening to Tibetans monks chanting. > If, when listening to chanting, you pick a voice and follow it > thinking it is the best voice, you will miss the grandeur of > the whole ensemble. > > It's the combined wisdom of the group or list, which emerges > not in one day, but over the course of weeks, or months that > deconstruct our ideas about ourselves and reality. Sometimes > is even helpful to belong to several lists because there are > beautiful voices that sing at different lists. Greg Goodel and > Joyce Short do not post at Nisargadatta, but could be > read at advaitatozen or Nondual Philosophy. Bill Richel > moves among several lists as the spirit moves him. Sarlo > posts at Gururating and several wise female voices that > are seldom heard elsewhere post there. These are only, a > few examples of many great voices. > > The collective Guru is in its infancy, but already and > effective tool of liberation. Whether you just want to > read the insights and experiences of others, or are ready > to share and test your own in dharma combat, this is > the place to safely do it, the only thing at risk is your > idea of yourself, your pet beliefs, and of course, your ego. > > These lists are the future of liberation. They will grow > into an awesome collective Buddha safe from the > temptations of sex, money, and personal worship to > which blood and flesh teachers so often succumb.Best > of all. they are accesible to anyone with an internet > connection. > > Pete I think this is an interesting observation. Society is a web, and the Internet is an advancement of how the collective human 'mind' operates which gives rise to new forms of structures with a complexity that is greater than what has previously been reached in human history. This 'meta' guru does not replace personal gurus, but embraces them and forms a new kind of structure from which insights can come that previously were not possible to reach. /AL ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Hi Kip, I had very directly asked Pete " why are you so much afraid of REAL people? " . Now, dont you think he should speak for himself? I have made it clear: no collective Guru for me, please! I also have declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master needs far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to create a collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy to hide. What do you think about this, Kip? One more thing, if you want to talk about your own fear: feel free! How comes your idea that this would be a taboo question? Dont worry, my feeling is, people in this group are ready to talk about anything... Greetings S. Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > Why are you so much afraid of REAL people? > > What I think is not of much help. Simply in case of fear it can be > helpful to ask " why " . And I dont think this is a very special > question... very common. > > > Kip: If it is so common, why do you think that what you think > couldn´t be of much help. Why do you think that this question has to > be answered by one self? Your question, above, actually, implies > that you know the motivations of others and your statemat, that it > is a very common issue, implies, that you have some experiences on > this matter. > > Do we have suddenly taboo-questions here? So, we can talk about all, > including God and the universe but, the fear-thingy above has to be > managed by everyone personally, despite that fact, that it is a > common issue. > > The use of " you " there in the question, is it meant as singular or > plural? Are you asking Pete or everyone on this board? > > > Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 > declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master needs > far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to create a > collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy to hide. > > What do you think about this, Kip? I have no position concerning that question. Ok is, what helps, what´s useful. Sorry, Stephen, have no predetermined concept and I don´t want to make generalizations neither for one side or for the other. It will be surely an interesting discussion between you both. servus Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > > declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master needs > > far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to create a > > collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy to > hide. ......and more courage yet...to give up the childlike illusion that something bigger then you is going to fix what ails you......and be willing to stand naked...in your ultimate aloneness........ toombaru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Hi Kip, > > I had very directly asked Pete " why are you so much afraid of REAL > people? " . Now, dont you think he should speak for himself? > > I have made it clear: no collective Guru for me, please! I also have > declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master needs > far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to create a > collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy to hide. > > What do you think about this, Kip? > > One more thing, if you want to talk about your own fear: feel free! > How comes your idea that this would be a taboo question? Dont worry, > my feeling is, people in this group are ready to talk about > anything... > > Greetings > S. > That we can more easily hide on the Internet than when meeting a living teacher is true on one level. But on a deeper level: we cannot hide from ourselves. So even if a person hides behind a mask/role on the Internet, he or she him-/herself is well aware of, and self- conscious about this fact in the bottom of the heart. The serious spiritual seeker will be more and more self-reminded of this as the play continues. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Kip, > > > > I had very directly asked Pete " why are you so much afraid of REAL > > people? " . Now, dont you think he should speak for himself? > > > > I have made it clear: no collective Guru for me, please! I also have > > declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master needs > > far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to create a > > collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy to > hide. > > > > What do you think about this, Kip? > > > > One more thing, if you want to talk about your own fear: feel free! > > How comes your idea that this would be a taboo question? Dont worry, > > my feeling is, people in this group are ready to talk about > > anything... > > > > Greetings > > S. > > > > That we can more easily hide on the Internet than when meeting a > living teacher is true on one level. But on a deeper level: we cannot > hide from ourselves. What do you think we are all doing now...but hiding from our selves? That's the only game in town. t. So even if a person hides behind a mask/role on > the Internet, he or she him-/herself is well aware of, and self- > conscious about this fact in the bottom of the heart. The serious > spiritual seeker will be more and more self-reminded of this as the > play continues. > > /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , Dr Jayanth Paraki <dparaki> wrote: > > Internet is a little speck against the backdrop of the > huge body of the Supreme Lord. It is unlikely to touch > a soul unless several pre-conditions come to exist. > Dr Paraki > www.chhindia.net What is a soul ........and who is there to touch it? t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kip, > > > > > > I had very directly asked Pete " why are you so much afraid of REAL > > > people? " . Now, dont you think he should speak for himself? > > > > > > I have made it clear: no collective Guru for me, please! I also have > > > declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master needs > > > far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to create a > > > collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy to > > hide. > > > > > > What do you think about this, Kip? > > > > > > One more thing, if you want to talk about your own fear: feel free! > > > How comes your idea that this would be a taboo question? Dont worry, > > > my feeling is, people in this group are ready to talk about > > > anything... > > > > > > Greetings > > > S. > > > > > > > That we can more easily hide on the Internet than when meeting a > > living teacher is true on one level. But on a deeper level: we cannot > > hide from ourselves. > > > What do you think we are all doing now...but hiding from our selves? > > That's the only game in town. > > > t. > I think we are searching for an answer about what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , Dr Jayanth Paraki <dparaki> wrote: > > Internet is a little speck against the backdrop of the > huge body of the Supreme Lord. It is unlikely to touch > a soul unless several pre-conditions come to exist. > Dr Paraki > www.chhindia.net > Yes, we should perhaps not overestimate the importance of the Internet. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Kip, > > > > > > > > I had very directly asked Pete " why are you so much afraid of > REAL > > > > people? " . Now, dont you think he should speak for himself? > > > > > > > > I have made it clear: no collective Guru for me, please! I also > have > > > > declared my oppinion, that the surrender to ONE living master > needs > > > > far more courage (and can be much more effective) than to > create a > > > > collective Internet Guru. In the internet it is just too easy > to > > > hide. > > > > > > > > What do you think about this, Kip? > > > > > > > > One more thing, if you want to talk about your own fear: feel > free! > > > > How comes your idea that this would be a taboo question? Dont > worry, > > > > my feeling is, people in this group are ready to talk about > > > > anything... > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > That we can more easily hide on the Internet than when meeting a > > > living teacher is true on one level. But on a deeper level: we > cannot > > > hide from ourselves. > > > > > > What do you think we are all doing now...but hiding from our selves? > > > > That's the only game in town. > > > > > > t. > > > > I think we are searching for an answer about what is going on. That's only a trick...a slight of mind....to convince ourselves that there is something substantial looking. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Dr Jayanth Paraki <dparaki> > wrote: > > > > Internet is a little speck against the backdrop of the > > huge body of the Supreme Lord. It is unlikely to touch > > a soul unless several pre-conditions come to exist. > > Dr Paraki > > www.chhindia.net > > > > Yes, we should perhaps not overestimate the importance of the > Internet. > > /AL .......or ourselves. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: .... > > > > I think we are searching for an answer about what is going on. > > > > That's only a trick...a slight of mind....to convince ourselves that there is > something substantial looking. > > > t. But there _is_ a substantial I looking. There is the awareness of looking, of searching. I am aware that I am aware. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Dr Jayanth Paraki <dparaki> > > wrote: > > > > > > Internet is a little speck against the backdrop of the > > > huge body of the Supreme Lord. It is unlikely to touch > > > a soul unless several pre-conditions come to exist. > > > Dr Paraki > > > www.chhindia.net > > > > > > > Yes, we should perhaps not overestimate the importance of the > > Internet. > > > > /AL > > > ......or ourselves. > > t. True. At least we should not take our past conditioning, our knowledge, as being all we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Dr Jayanth Paraki > <dparaki> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Internet is a little speck against the backdrop of the > > > > huge body of the Supreme Lord. It is unlikely to touch > > > > a soul unless several pre-conditions come to exist. > > > > Dr Paraki > > > > www.chhindia.net > > > > > > > > > > Yes, we should perhaps not overestimate the importance of the > > > Internet. > > > > > > /AL > > > > > > ......or ourselves. > > > > t. > > True. At least we should not take our past conditioning, our > knowledge, as being all we are. .....yes...we should. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > ... > > > > > > I think we are searching for an answer about what is going on. > > > > > > > > That's only a trick...a slight of mind....to convince ourselves > that there is > > something substantial looking. > > > > > > t. > > > But there _is_ a substantial I looking. No....there isn't. There is the awareness of > looking, > of searching. Yes.... There is. >I am aware that I am aware. No... " you " are not. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > .... > > > >I am aware that I am aware. > > > > > No... " you " are not. > > > t. I think that the thinking is also a part of me. Pure awareness is not a blank state I believe, but an effortless awareness where thoughts are lighter and more swift. And also a sense of lightness in body and emotions, a clarity and ease. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > >I am aware that I am aware. > > > > > > > > > > No... " you " are not. > > > > > > t. > > I think that the thinking is also a part of me. Yes.......all identified entities think that. Pure awareness is not > a blank state There is no such thing as pure awareness. I believe, but an effortless awareness where thoughts > are lighter and more swift. There is no such thing as thoughts......let alone degrees of density........ And also a sense of lightness in body and > emotions, a clarity and ease. " Our " senses do not have a great track record for reliability...... especially in their ability to access their own relativity. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > >I am aware that I am aware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No... " you " are not. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > I think that the thinking is also a part of me. > > > > > Yes.......all identified entities think that. > > > > > Pure awareness is not > > a blank state > > > > > > There is no such thing as pure awareness. devi: i think i remember reading that nisargaddata says that pure awareness is beyond consciousness...are you hear to refute what nisargadatta says? > > > > > I believe, but an effortless awareness where thoughts > > are lighter and more swift. There is no such thing as thoughts......let alone degrees of density........ > And also a sense of lightness in body and > > emotions, a clarity and ease. > > > > > " Our " senses do not have a great track record for reliability...... > especially in their ability to access their own relativity. > > > t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am aware that I am aware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No... " you " are not. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > I think that the thinking is also a part of me. > > > > > > > > > > Yes.......all identified entities think that. > > > > > > > > > > Pure awareness is not > > > a blank state > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as pure awareness. > > > devi: i think i remember reading that nisargaddata says that pure > awareness is beyond consciousness...are you hear to refute what > nisargadatta says? > There is no such THING as pure awareness..... " Things " exist only in relationship with each other......within the milieu of conceptual consciousness. Who knows what Nisargadatta meant by " Pure Awareness " .....but if it is beyond consciousness.....it is beyond thought. He tells us that....the " I am " is the door by which we entered this world....and the door by which we leave........ There is a trap in taking his words .....that have been translated and transcribed....too literally....... Thought is ultimately grossly inadequate in discovering its own origins and destiny...and that is the only tool available...... t. > > > > > > > > > I believe, but an effortless awareness where thoughts > > > are lighter and more swift. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as thoughts......let alone degrees of > density........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And also a sense of lightness in body and > > > emotions, a clarity and ease. > > > > > > > > > > " Our " senses do not have a great track record for reliability...... > > especially in their ability to access their own relativity. > > > > > > t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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