Questions for Steve?

[Guest guest]

Steve, you said you expend 35 years at the feet of two masters

what did that do for you, Steve?

 

If you think the list has nothing to teach you, why are you here?

 

Why if you are so sure of your ideas, you feel so threatened by

mine?

 

Have you noticed almost every post of yours is about me?

 

Just because I don't need another man's guidence doesn't

mean I am afraid of people, Steve. The question really is

why after so many years, you still need someone to hold

your hand?

 

I don't need to defend myself from your attacks, Steve.

Frankly, I don't worry about what you think of me.

Why is what I think important to you?

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Steve, you said you expend 35 years at the feet of two masters

> what did that do for you, Steve?

 

devi: hi, i've been in this group before but left due to

*personality clashes* i came back because i love everything about

nisargaddatas teaching and words....i've been reading *I Am That*

almost for 2 years now....how well does everyone else know him?

 

smiles

>

> If you think the list has nothing to teach you, why are you here?

>

> Why if you are so sure of your ideas, you feel so threatened by

> mine?

>

> Have you noticed almost every post of yours is about me?

>

> Just because I don't need another man's guidence doesn't

> mean I am afraid of people, Steve. The question really is

> why after so many years, you still need someone to hold

> your hand?

>

> I don't need to defend myself from your attacks, Steve.

> Frankly, I don't worry about what you think of me.

> Why is what I think important to you?

>

> Pete

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <polansky@m...> wrote:

>

>

> Steve, you said you expend 35 years at the feet of two masters

> > what did that do for you, Steve?

>

> devi: hi, i've been in this group before but left due to

> *personality clashes* i came back because i love everything about

> nisargaddatas teaching and words....i've been reading *I Am That*

> almost for 2 years now....how well does everyone else know him?

 

 

 

 

......enough to know that one can catch a deadly dis-ease just from picking up

that big

yellow book.

 

 

 

t.

[Guest guest]

Peter, you are asking many questions. I will gladly answer them. But

dont become angry if it becomes long! And I am still waiting for YOU

answering MY questions!

 

>Steve, you said you expend 35 years at the feet of two masters what

did that do for you, Steve?

 

No, I did not say this. I said I breath Vedanta since 35 Years. I had

two masters during this period. I have said that the second master has

left his body 10 Years ago. What it did for me? Very, very much,

Peter. I have described this here several times in other postings.

 

>If you think the list has nothing to teach you, why are you here?

 

I never said it cannot teach me anything. But the function of the Guru

is not to teach. It is to dissolve the desciple.

 

You ask why I am here? Because I am fascinated by everything I heard

or read from/about Nisargadatta.

 

>Why if you are so sure of your ideas, you feel so threatened by mine?

 

First: I dont know what you mean with " my ideas " . I dont remember that

I have ever posted personal ideas. I remember that I have straightened

some facts about Vedanta and Nisargadatta. Those were not my ideas.

 

Second: I feel not threatened at all by any of your ideas. The

opposite is the fact. The idea that you have formulated in " nada con

carne " has fascinated me and reminded me on existentialism. I wanted

to find out more about your way of thinking.

 

>Have you noticed almost every post of yours is about me?

 

This is complete nonsense. Easy to disprove. And if it were true...???

In a way it must be true... for you.

 

>Just because I don't need another man's guidence doesn't

>mean I am afraid of people, Steve. The question really is

>why after so many years, you still need someone to hold

>your hand?

 

I did not mean you need guidance. I meant that it is almost impossible

to become TRUTH without a master. To die into nothing... to jump into

the abyss... without a master. I am telling you this from my

experience. You dont need to believe me. But maybe you become

curious for a different kind of experience. It will happen on its own

accord.

 

About me: I dont " need " anybody to hold my hand. No master ever " held

my hand " . But I enjoy to be surrounded by friends and we can hold each

others hands if we want!

 

And about you: you misinterprete what I have said: I felt you are

hiding because you never have answered any of my questions.

 

>I don't need to defend myself from your attacks, Steve.

>Frankly, I don't worry about what you think of me.

>Why is what I think important to you?

 

I am sorry if you have misread anything of what I wrote as an attack.

I never wanted to attack you. You have personally attacked me quite

vehemently and later have declared it as a test. I have countered your

attacks accordingly but always with a grain of humor, I hope. And I

dont think anything about you. I dont know you. I solely refer to your

postings.

 

So, now it is your turn, Peter. Maybe you like to chat a bit about

" Nada " and Existentialism?

 

Stefan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

>

> Peter, you are asking many questions. I will gladly answer them. But

> dont become angry if it becomes long! And I am still waiting for YOU

> answering MY questions!

>

> >Steve, you said you expend 35 years at the feet of two masters what

> did that do for you, Steve?

>

> No, I did not say this. I said I breath Vedanta since 35 Years. I

had

> two masters during this period. I have said that the second master

has

> left his body 10 Years ago. What it did for me? Very, very much,

> Peter. I have described this here several times in other postings.

 

P: Excuse me, Steve, I have not read read most of your posts, so

i missed your accomplishments. I know the list must be long, but

just the highlights, if you please. Did your guru give his blessing

to teach?

 

>

> >If you think the list has nothing to teach you, why are you here?

>

> I never said it cannot teach me anything. But the function of the

Guru

> is not to teach. It is to dissolve the desciple.

 

N: Not according to Nis, or me. No one can do your work for you. The

most they can do is tell you liberation is possible, and what the

false self is, that the true self is the absolute, and give you a

sadhana.

How long will that take? Not ten years, are you a slow learner?

>

> You ask why I am here? Because I am fascinated by everything I heard

> or read from/about Nisargadatta.

>

> >Why if you are so sure of your ideas, you feel so threatened by

mine?

>

> First: I dont know what you mean with " my ideas " . I dont remember

that

> I have ever posted personal ideas. I remember that I have

straightened

> some facts about Vedanta and Nisargadatta. Those were not my ideas.

 

P: If you believe someone elses ideas, they become your ideas, why

quibble about that?

>

> Second: I feel not threatened at all by any of your ideas. The

> opposite is the fact. The idea that you have formulated in " nada con

> carne " has fascinated me and reminded me on existentialism. I wanted

> to find out more about your way of thinking.

 

P: I already told you I know little about existentialism. My take is

the nothing they talk about is just a concept, not a realization.

It's not the complete unknowing which is the absolute. Also Sartre

said something very interesting about nothing. He said, if I remember

correctly, that nothingness can't be a primery notion because the

very concept of negation, or absence requires a priori something to

be negated.

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

 

>P: Excuse me, Steve, I have not read read most of your posts, so

>i missed your accomplishments. I know the list must be long, but just

>the highlights, if you please.

 

When you have not read most of my posts, how can you declare that

almost all of my posts have been about you? Very strange. And why

should I give you a special treatment and repost my postings now?

 

>Did your guru give his blessing to teach?

 

I am glad he didnt. I have absolutely nothing to teach.

 

As I said:

>the function of the Guru is not to teach. It is to dissolve the

desciple.

 

You answered:

>N:

 

does " N " mean PETE?

 

>Not according to Nis, or me.

 

You misunderstand something again. Or you both just want to disagree

for disagreement? Dont speak in the name of " N " .

 

>No one can do your work for you.

 

You say it. And a master is not a teacher. The master knows that there

is no work to do. The satsang is enough. In his presence all false may

show up as false. N. often spoke about this. It is not the master that

counts - it is the faith of the desciple. When the truth is there

there is no master needed. Time is of no importance. It can take one

year, it can take ten years, it can take 1000 lifes. I dont care. I am

ready. I have no hope. I trust. Because I know I cannot change

anything. The master has left his imprint, which I will never forget.

This is already enough.

 

>P: I already told you I know little about existentialism. My take is

>the nothing they talk about is just a concept, not a realization.

 

Finally you come to the point. Are you saying now that the " Nothing "

you are talking about is a realization? From your small article " Nada

Con Carne " I have understood that this " Nothing " cannot be realized.

Are you now telling me the opposite? Then you have to tell me: Who is

realizing it? How?

 

In your article the " nothing " that you are describing is exactly a

concept, simply because you declare that it does not exist. You wrote

this, not me. And this would equal the concept of Existentialism, in

that aspect. In another posting you have declared that this " Nothing "

is the same as deep sleep.

 

Taking the sum of all those ideas, it does not seem in any way

desirable to reach such a state. Only if I would reason that my

momentary life is even worse than the state of " deep sleep " would I

prefer this state of " nothing " . But in that case it would be the

wisest deed to commit suicide.

 

Those are only the logical conclusions I am taking from your

statements, ideas or teachings. The conclusions I take from my

readings of Nisargadatta are pointing into a completely different

direction. He is talking with the authority of someone who has

realized.

 

Stefan

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

>

> >P: Excuse me, Steve, I have not read read most of your posts, so

> >i missed your accomplishments. I know the list must be long, but

just

> >the highlights, if you please.

>

> When you have not read most of my posts, how can you declare that

> almost all of my posts have been about you? Very strange. And why

> should I give you a special treatment and repost my postings now?

 

P: Well, you don't have to be rocket scientist to count your

posts in response, or about the titles of my posts. The titles are

mine, the name is yours. I know is about what I wrote. I don't

have to read ideas you have read and are repeating here.

And they are way more than double in the last three days. This seems

excesive for a guy

who claims it has nothing to teach, but is trying to correct

what I write with borrowed opinions. )

>

> >Did your guru give his blessing to teach?

>

> I am glad he didnt. I have absolutely nothing to teach.

 

P; You could have fooled me!

>

>

> You misunderstand something again. Or you both just want to disagree

> for disagreement? Dont speak in the name of " N " .

>

> >No one can do your work for you.

>

> You say it. And a master is not a teacher. The master knows that

there

> is no work to do. The satsang is enough. In his presence all false

may

> show up as false. N. often spoke about this. It is not the master

that

> counts - it is the faith of the desciple. When the truth is there

> there is no master needed. Time is of no importance. It can take one

> year, it can take ten years, it can take 1000 lifes. I dont care. I

am

> ready. I have no hope. I trust. Because I know I cannot change

> anything. The master has left his imprint, which I will never

forget.

> This is already enough.

 

P: Sorry, Steve, that is nothing but wishful thinking. If your

master could not take you there when alive, you are going

nowhere fast. And 'you' don't have 2 lives left, least a 1000.

You only have another 20 years left, if that much. Hurry up

practice, practice, the clock is ticking! LOL

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

 

>P: Sorry, Steve, that is nothing but wishful thinking. If your

>master could not take you there when alive, you are going

>nowhere fast. And 'you' don't have 2 lives left, least a 1000.

>You only have another 20 years left, if that much. Hurry up

>practice, practice, the clock is ticking! LOL

 

You think there is something to be " done " by " someone " in a " hurry " to

reach " something " . You think a master is a superman who takes the

desciple from one " state " to another " state " . The ultimate power of

men at work. Pete, you have to pass those concepts first. Before you

start to philosophize about the last realms. You can start by thinking

about some basics: " Who " needs to do " what " to go fast to " where " ?

 

From what you have written up to now in this list I can see your

confusion. You declare " No-body " is reaching some " Nothing " which is

contained by " something " etc... and all that with effort, hurry and

sadhanas...

 

It is remarkable how you avoid any factual discussion by becoming

again and again personal. But you are avoiding yourself. I wish you

can see this one day and turn around. I know the phase you are in from

my own experience and I feel with you. But at the moment you seem to

be blind and smell critics around every corner and you have closed

your doors. All I can say is: I wish you peace and happiness. You dont

need to say anything.

 

All the best to you and everybody here.

 

I bow down to the enlightened one (Buddha)

I bow down to the commune of the enlightened one (Sangam)

I bow down to the ultimate truth (Shunyam)

 

S.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

>

> >P: Sorry, Steve, that is nothing but wishful thinking. If your

> >master could not take you there when alive, you are going

> >nowhere fast. And 'you' don't have 2 lives left, least a 1000.

> >You only have another 20 years left, if that much. Hurry up

> >practice, practice, the clock is ticking! LOL

>

>S: You think there is something to be " done " by " someone " in

a " hurry " to

> reach " something " .

 

P: Urgency works miracles! Allow me to share a 'personal

story.' Many years ago, I had to do a very risky type

of work. In a party the night before the job, a friend

who was a psychic, and by the way didn't know what

kind of work I was doing, pulled me aside and said:

" Pete, I don't like the way your aura looks, you don't

have long to live. "

 

That really shook me! I left the party.

At home I thought, well this could be my last night

on earth, what do I want to do with it? At that

moment, I had no doubt that the only thing I wanted

to do was to see God before dying.

 

So, I sat and meditated with the resolve that I would

not go to sleep that night before that happened. Not an

hour had passed when my mind emptied. I seemed to be

floating in outer space surrounded by millions of stars,

this space was not empty, it was filled with such great love

that it was like a consuming fire, I had no doubt

that if I stayed much longer I would die then and there.

 

So, I jerked out of my trance. I don't want to give the

impression that God looks like that. That was only my mind

representation at that time. That revelation was not final,

it was only the beginning of a long road. But I knew then

what I wanted to do with my life. So yes, It's there for

the asking, you only have to want it with all your heart

and mind.

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

> wrote:

> >

> > >P: Sorry, Steve, that is nothing but wishful thinking. If your

> > >master could not take you there when alive, you are going

> > >nowhere fast. And 'you' don't have 2 lives left, least a 1000.

> > >You only have another 20 years left, if that much. Hurry up

> > >practice, practice, the clock is ticking! LOL

> >

> >S: You think there is something to be " done " by " someone " in

> a " hurry " to

> > reach " something " .

>

> P: Urgency works miracles! Allow me to share a 'personal

> story.' Many years ago, I had to do a very risky type

> of work. In a party the night before the job, a friend

> who was a psychic, and by the way didn't know what

> kind of work I was doing, pulled me aside and said:

> " Pete, I don't like the way your aura looks, you don't

> have long to live. "

>

> That really shook me! I left the party.

> At home I thought, well this could be my last night

> on earth, what do I want to do with it? At that

> moment, I had no doubt that the only thing I wanted

> to do was to see God before dying.

>

> So, I sat and meditated with the resolve that I would

> not go to sleep that night before that happened. Not an

> hour had passed when my mind emptied. I seemed to be

> floating in outer space surrounded by millions of stars,

> this space was not empty, it was filled with such great love

> that it was like a consuming fire, I had no doubt

> that if I stayed much longer I would die then and there.

>

> So, I jerked out of my trance. I don't want to give the

> impression that God looks like that. That was only my mind

> representation at that time. That revelation was not final,

> it was only the beginning of a long road. But I knew then

> what I wanted to do with my life. So yes, It's there for

> the asking, you only have to want it with all your heart

> and mind.

>

> Pete

 

 

 

 

Pete,

 

 

I hate to tell you this.....but.........

 

 

 

 

You don't have long to live.

 

 

 

 

t.

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > >P: Sorry, Steve, that is nothing but wishful thinking. If your

> > > >master could not take you there when alive, you are going

> > > >nowhere fast. And 'you' don't have 2 lives left, least a 1000.

> > > >You only have another 20 years left, if that much. Hurry up

> > > >practice, practice, the clock is ticking! LOL

> > >

> > >S: You think there is something to be " done " by " someone " in

> > a " hurry " to

> > > reach " something " .

> >

> > P: Urgency works miracles! Allow me to share a 'personal

> > story.' Many years ago, I had to do a very risky type

> > of work. In a party the night before the job, a friend

> > who was a psychic, and by the way didn't know what

> > kind of work I was doing, pulled me aside and said:

> > " Pete, I don't like the way your aura looks, you don't

> > have long to live. "

> >

> > That really shook me! I left the party.

> > At home I thought, well this could be my last night

> > on earth, what do I want to do with it? At that

> > moment, I had no doubt that the only thing I wanted

> > to do was to see God before dying.

> >

> > So, I sat and meditated with the resolve that I would

> > not go to sleep that night before that happened. Not an

> > hour had passed when my mind emptied. I seemed to be

> > floating in outer space surrounded by millions of stars,

> > this space was not empty, it was filled with such great love

> > that it was like a consuming fire, I had no doubt

> > that if I stayed much longer I would die then and there.

> >

> > So, I jerked out of my trance. I don't want to give the

> > impression that God looks like that. That was only my mind

> > representation at that time. That revelation was not final,

> > it was only the beginning of a long road. But I knew then

> > what I wanted to do with my life. So yes, It's there for

> > the asking, you only have to want it with all your heart

> > and mind.

> >

> > Pete

>

>

>

>

> Pete,

>

>

> I hate to tell you this.....but.........

>

>

>

>

> You don't have long to live.

 

P: Ain't that the truth! Frankly, my dear... )