Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > Really nice what you wrote and I can identify with it: > > " Yes, you are right... I mean, the egg is three dimensional and my > mouth too. I often felt it is futile to philosophize about > non-dimensional conciousness with a three dimensional keyboard! I dont > yet have the courage to express myself as simply as you. I am always > afraid to be misunderstood... there you can see it, my ego-egg! Tastes > good " . > > I think that this fear not to be understood has its origin in the > need to belong to or in other words in the fear to be an outsider. > This is my own experience, maybe it is your's too. > > When watching one's thought one can see how much of daily thinking > has as the main topic one's atractiveness. These thoughts just are > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets shelter > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the garbage > can. > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you can do > about it besides accepting it. > > Werner e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the unloved one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have a neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you left with now Werner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Hi Eric, We haven't seen us for a longer time, nice to contact you again. To answer your question with what I am left with now is at first hand to meet you again. To see all the other possibilities I simply have not the phantasy for. Maybe you have some more ideas ? Werner Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > Really nice what you wrote and I can identify with it: > > > > " Yes, you are right... I mean, the egg is three dimensional and my > > mouth too. I often felt it is futile to philosophize about > > non-dimensional conciousness with a three dimensional keyboard! I > dont > > yet have the courage to express myself as simply as you. I am > always > > afraid to be misunderstood... there you can see it, my ego-egg! > Tastes > > good " . > > > > I think that this fear not to be understood has its origin in the > > need to belong to or in other words in the fear to be an outsider. > > This is my own experience, maybe it is your's too. > > > > When watching one's thought one can see how much of daily thinking > > has as the main topic one's atractiveness. These thoughts just are > > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets > shelter > > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the garbage > > can. > > > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you can > do > > about it besides accepting it. > > > > Werner > > > e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the unloved > one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a > neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation > from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have a > neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you left > with now Werner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > Really nice what you wrote and I can identify with it: > > > > " Yes, you are right... I mean, the egg is three dimensional and my > > mouth too. I often felt it is futile to philosophize about > > non-dimensional conciousness with a three dimensional keyboard! I > dont > > yet have the courage to express myself as simply as you. I am > always > > afraid to be misunderstood... there you can see it, my ego-egg! > Tastes > > good " . > > > > I think that this fear not to be understood has its origin in the > > need to belong to or in other words in the fear to be an outsider. > > This is my own experience, maybe it is your's too. > > > > When watching one's thought one can see how much of daily thinking > > has as the main topic one's atractiveness. These thoughts just are > > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets > shelter > > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the garbage > > can. > > > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you can > do > > about it besides accepting it. > > > > Werner > > > e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the unloved > one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a > neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation > from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have a > neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you left > with now Werner? P: Interesting that you connect neurosis and masters. Would a psychiatrist examining Ramana, UG, and many other Hindu sages not consider the syntoms of enlightenment as psichotic? Would not a person who spends hours in meditation be considered a scapist, or even somewhat catatonic? Certainly this people are not lunatic, but would a professional in the field of mental health consider them the norm? So what is neurosis if we all have it? Would not that be normality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > Really nice what you wrote and I can identify with it: > > > > > > " Yes, you are right... I mean, the egg is three dimensional and my > > > mouth too. I often felt it is futile to philosophize about > > > non-dimensional conciousness with a three dimensional keyboard! I > > dont > > > yet have the courage to express myself as simply as you. I am > > always > > > afraid to be misunderstood... there you can see it, my ego-egg! > > Tastes > > > good " . > > > > > > I think that this fear not to be understood has its origin in the > > > need to belong to or in other words in the fear to be an > outsider. > > > This is my own experience, maybe it is your's too. > > > > > > When watching one's thought one can see how much of daily thinking > > > has as the main topic one's atractiveness. These thoughts just are > > > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets > > shelter > > > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the > garbage > > > can. > > > > > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you can > > do > > > about it besides accepting it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the unloved > > one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a > > neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation > > from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have a > > neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you left > > with now Werner? > > P: Interesting that you connect neurosis and masters. Would > a psychiatrist examining Ramana, UG, and many other Hindu > sages not consider the syntoms of enlightenment as > psichotic? Would not a person who spends hours in meditation > be considered a scapist, or even somewhat catatonic? > Certainly this people are not lunatic, but would a professional > in the field of mental health consider them the norm? > > So what is neurosis if we all have it? Would not that be normality? " Do you know one sign that you've woken up? It's when you are asking yourself, 'I am crazy, or are all of them crazy?' It really is. Because we are crazy. The whole world is crazy. Certifiable lunatics! The only reason we are not locked up in an institution is that there are so many of us. " -- Anthony De Mello /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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