Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 The pure subject is where the juice comes from. Objects like knowledge and memories are lifeless in themselves. The pure subject is knowing without knowledge, a direct knowing, a direct God-force, pure uncontaminated will and intent. When you act from memory and personal knowledge you contaminate and limit the full flow of direct knowing from your true self, your oceanic heart. Such limited action results in making choices. To make a choice is prompted by a state of indecision. And the process of indecision is not true knowing; it is guesswork; it is judgement. Therefore Jesus Christ said: " Judge not " . /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > The pure subject is where the juice comes from. Objects like > knowledge and memories are lifeless in themselves. The pure subject > is knowing without knowledge, a direct knowing, a direct God-force, > pure uncontaminated will and intent. When you act from memory and > personal knowledge you contaminate and limit the full flow of direct all you have is memory. without memory who is a saint? when memory is purified, the task is done. There is no shortcut to this. If a subject can remain in itself, it means memory is pure enough to let the subject be self aware. One point of view is to see the journey as purification of the memory. Till the insignificance of the memory compared to the Self, is registered in the memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > The pure subject is where the juice comes from. Objects like > > knowledge and memories are lifeless in themselves. The pure subject > > is knowing without knowledge, a direct knowing, a direct God- force, > > pure uncontaminated will and intent. When you act from memory and > > personal knowledge you contaminate and limit the full flow of > direct > > all you have is memory. without memory who is a saint? > > when memory is purified, the task is done. There is no shortcut to > this. > > If a subject can remain in itself, it means memory is pure enough to > let the subject be self aware. One point of view is to see the > journey as purification of the memory. Till the insignificance of the > memory compared to the Self, is registered in the memory. The human memory is insignificant today, but important, because that's what defines us. Maybe one could develop a capacity for handling more memory and with faster speed. J. Krishnamurti talked about a transformation of the human mind. Maybe he meant a significant increase of how effective we are at handling memory. If we could access memory with infinite speed and infinite size we could make much better choices, and maybe even retreive memories from an infinite collective pool containing all past and all future. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > The pure subject is where the juice comes from. Objects like > > > knowledge and memories are lifeless in themselves. The pure > subject > > > is knowing without knowledge, a direct knowing, a direct God- > force, > > > pure uncontaminated will and intent. When you act from memory and > > > personal knowledge you contaminate and limit the full flow of > > direct > > > > all you have is memory. without memory who is a saint? > > > > when memory is purified, the task is done. There is no shortcut to > > this. > > > > If a subject can remain in itself, it means memory is pure enough > to > > let the subject be self aware. One point of view is to see the > > journey as purification of the memory. Till the insignificance of > the > > memory compared to the Self, is registered in the memory. > > The human memory is insignificant today, but important, because > that's what defines us. Maybe one could develop a capacity for > handling more memory and with faster speed. J. Krishnamurti talked > about a transformation of the human mind. Maybe he meant a > significant increase of how effective we are at handling memory. If > we could access memory with infinite speed and infinite size we could > make much better choices, and maybe even retreive memories from an > infinite collective pool containing all past and all future. > > /AL yes.......and..........maybe then ....we would be God himself. t, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hemantbhai100 " > <hemantbhai100@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > > > > > The pure subject is where the juice comes from. Objects like > > > knowledge and memories are lifeless in themselves. The pure > subject > > > is knowing without knowledge, a direct knowing, a direct God- > force, > > > pure uncontaminated will and intent. When you act from memory and > > > personal knowledge you contaminate and limit the full flow of > > direct > > > > all you have is memory. without memory who is a saint? > > > > when memory is purified, the task is done. There is no shortcut to > > this. > > > > If a subject can remain in itself, it means memory is pure enough > to > > let the subject be self aware. One point of view is to see the > > journey as purification of the memory. Till the insignificance of > the > > memory compared to the Self, is registered in the memory. > > The human memory is insignificant today, but important, because > that's what defines us. Maybe one could develop a capacity for > handling more memory and with faster speed. J. Krishnamurti talked that's not what i meant. by memory i mean all that is in the mind - the " antahkaran " or the psychic apparatus. it includes your entire sense of self - your past, emotions, attitudes etc. practice can be looked at as purification of antahkaran - till the ego sense understands its place in relation to the Self. then the ego is still needed to maintain identity in the external world, but for internal purposes it is almost extinguished. it arises only when needed by circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > about a transformation of the human mind. Maybe he meant a > significant increase of how effective we are at handling memory. If > we could access memory with infinite speed and infinite size we could > make much better choices, and maybe even retreive memories from an > infinite collective pool containing all past and all future. you have what you need. the problem is not what the memory can or cannot access, but the intentions. intentions are deeper and penetrate the psychic apparatus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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