Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@g...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > Really nice what you wrote and I can identify with it: > > > > > > " Yes, you are right... I mean, the egg is three dimensional and my > > > mouth too. I often felt it is futile to philosophize about > > > non-dimensional conciousness with a three dimensional keyboard! I > > dont > > > yet have the courage to express myself as simply as you. I am > > always > > > afraid to be misunderstood... there you can see it, my ego- egg! > > Tastes > > > good " . > > > > > > I think that this fear not to be understood has its origin in the > > > need to belong to or in other words in the fear to be an > outsider. > > > This is my own experience, maybe it is your's too. > > > > > > When watching one's thought one can see how much of daily thinking > > > has as the main topic one's atractiveness. These thoughts just are > > > strategies to be attractive, because: The attractive one gets > > shelter > > > within the group, the unattractive one gets kicked into the > garbage > > > can. > > > > > > To be attractive is a survival strategy. There is nothing you can > > do > > > about it besides accepting it. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > e. monolithic, ... many people get a kick out of being the unloved > > one; survival strategies vary according to environment, then a > > neurosis can be anything but survival as it implies an isolation > > from nature and common sense or from the group, and we all have a > > neurosis (masters here present included) ... so what are you left > > with now Werner? > > P: Interesting that you connect neurosis and masters. Would > a psychiatrist examining Ramana, UG, and many other Hindu > sages not consider the syntoms of enlightenment as > psichotic? Would not a person who spends hours in meditation > be considered a scapist, or even somewhat catatonic? > Certainly this people are not lunatic, but would a professional > in the field of mental health consider them the norm? > > So what is neurosis if we all have it? Would not that be normality? e. please note the context, Pete, Werner Woehr says that we are all in quest of attractiveness; i opened up on some diversity... now to connect neurosis and masters, if we can agree that a master (if such entity exists) helps a student to clear the way of fixed views, attitudes, strong opinions, contractions of the soul, unease or desire to die or to conquer the planet (you see what i mean by diversity), ... then we can say that somewhere among those contractions, a high probability of neurosis, a failure to survive in one environement because one cannot adapt fast enough to its changes because one is enclosed in a personal logic that does not fit with the environment/body, or help in anyway. .... sure i'd be glad to help a guy who meditates for three hours a day and tells stories of nirvana and higher realm connected to his practice, .. but this too could be a phase on one's 'work' as it happened to you or me at one time ... a neurosis sticks all life (paranoia, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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